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A question for the group. I'm sure that this has been discussed at length here, but the Net is very slow out here where I live and RCU takes a good deal of time to load and search.
So. How are the Saito Engines working out with the Gas conversion? I have a 150 that has spark ignition and was working very good when I put it in storage. Time for another project and I want to add the Gas carb.
For those that have done it, how is the conversion working out?
John
So. How are the Saito Engines working out with the Gas conversion? I have a 150 that has spark ignition and was working very good when I put it in storage. Time for another project and I want to add the Gas carb.
For those that have done it, how is the conversion working out?
John
I have an FG-11 that I swapped out an OS-52 with on an LT-40. The power output is about the same even though the FG-11 is based on a .62. If it was an FA-62, there would be more performance out of it. When it comes to larger engines in the 50CC and up, gas 2 strokes make more sense. I have a pair of FG-30 going into a Ziroli B-25, and hoping it is enough power, if not, I can swap the carbs out with glow ones for more power. They would be FA-180 equivalents at that point.

hey Capt, wasn't it you that loves the STA,, you better hurry
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Jim
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Jim
sorry man I don’t really like that plane.
I am more of a Astro hog extra kind of guy.
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Gas vs. Glow, an age old argument with pros and conns on both sides. My limit on displacement for glow fuel is 20cc, just too expensive to run glow in larger engines for this po boy. Same with cdi for me, 20cc and up.

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Converting it to gas is not cost effective, true it might use less fuel, and gas is easier to obtain and costs a lot less than glow fuel, but converting to ignition alone saves on fuel costs, low/no nitro fuel can be used, it can be leaned out much more without issues which will leave less oil residue, and gets more power.
I have an FG-11 that I swapped out an OS-52 with on an LT-40. The power output is about the same even though the FG-11 is based on a .62. If it was an FA-62, there would be more performance out of it. When it comes to larger engines in the 50CC and up, gas 2 strokes make more sense. I have a pair of FG-30 going into a Ziroli B-25, and hoping it is enough power, if not, I can swap the carbs out with glow ones for more power. They would be FA-180 equivalents at that point.
I have an FG-11 that I swapped out an OS-52 with on an LT-40. The power output is about the same even though the FG-11 is based on a .62. If it was an FA-62, there would be more performance out of it. When it comes to larger engines in the 50CC and up, gas 2 strokes make more sense. I have a pair of FG-30 going into a Ziroli B-25, and hoping it is enough power, if not, I can swap the carbs out with glow ones for more power. They would be FA-180 equivalents at that point.
you may be able to mix Gas and Glow fuel at 50/50 and run it on a glow plug. changing to a Gas carb will help, it works on 2St gas engines.
in the link I believe it's a mix of 3 to 1
GAS/GLOW HOW TO....
Jim
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Thanks for the input on converting to Gas. The meat of my question is about how are the engines holding up mechanically. I realize that some power is lost compared to Glow fuel. But are the big 180's and 220's holding up with the 20:1 mix?
Especially with the engine running behind a cowling.
Thanks again!
John
Especially with the engine running behind a cowling.
Thanks again!
John


I just finished converting a pair of FG-20 Saito gaspers back to methanol fuel maintaining spark ignition. Will do the same to every gasser I get. The engine runs stronger, cooler, idles far better and transitions better. The needle adjustments are less critical . The cost difference in fuel is so small it is silly to worry. No nitro methanol/ oil mix fuel is very inexpensive to blend at home and it keeps indefinitely. Less explosive and safer to store as well
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Thanks for the input on converting to Gas. The meat of my question is about how are the engines holding up mechanically. I realize that some power is lost compared to Glow fuel. But are the big 180's and 220's holding up with the 20:1 mix?
Especially with the engine running behind a cowling.
Thanks again!
John
Especially with the engine running behind a cowling.
Thanks again!
John


Anyone know what difference I should be measuring between valve stem OD and valve guide ID? I have a very stubborn exhaust valve leak that worsens the faster I flip the prop. Turning the engine over slowly the leak is barely detectable or not at all but when flipping it over quickly it just wooshes out. Super light test lapping with a marker pen reveals a nice thin continuous ring on the valve and seat so I am thinking the valve stem clearance it too great???


I just finished converting a pair of FG-20 Saito gaspers back to methanol fuel maintaining spark ignition. Will do the same to every gasser I get. The engine runs stronger, cooler, idles far better and transitions better. The needle adjustments are less critical . The cost difference in fuel is so small it is silly to worry. No nitro methanol/ oil mix fuel is very inexpensive to blend at home and it keeps indefinitely. Less explosive and safer to store as well
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=...&v=zP97Ubf3JXs
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=...&v=zP97Ubf3JXs
Can I buy those two lowly gasper carbs of which you speak?
Aaron-




I would have happily given them to you.
The carbs and a remaining FG-20 went out of here about a month ago. The FG-20 carbs are not really all that good.
I will save every gas carb that I get my hands on and send them your way!
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I decided to pull the Corsair out of hiding and try to get it finished. Just need to decide on the power for it. Of course NOW would be a good time for a 115, but don't have cash on hand for one. Thinking maybe the 100 would work. It flew the P-51 just fine. My other choice is a new 20CC 2 stroke, but 2 stroke + Warbird = What is that sickly sound. I have a YS 110 that is going into my P-51B. Trying to think what else I may have, but the Magnum 91 is just not enough for the Corsair.

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More lathe fun.

I needed a 7 mm bushing for a Tru-Turn back plate, I made one.

The Saito 62 is a little light for the Tiger 3, the Higley Heavy hub fixed it. The lathe centered the threads perfectly.

Higley hub hidden.

I needed a 7 mm bushing for a Tru-Turn back plate, I made one.

The Saito 62 is a little light for the Tiger 3, the Higley Heavy hub fixed it. The lathe centered the threads perfectly.

Higley hub hidden.

I decided to pull the Corsair out of hiding and try to get it finished. Just need to decide on the power for it. Of course NOW would be a good time for a 115, but don't have cash on hand for one. Thinking maybe the 100 would work. It flew the P-51 just fine. My other choice is a new 20CC 2 stroke, but 2 stroke + Warbird = What is that sickly sound. I have a YS 110 that is going into my P-51B. Trying to think what else I may have, but the Magnum 91 is just not enough for the Corsair.

Dave, some "richened for flight" numbers for your Tiger 3/fa62. AUW 5.5-6.0 lbs.
12x6 3b, 9200 rpm, 7.35 lbs thrust, 45.3 mph
12x7 2b, 9800 rpm, 5.96 lbs thrust, 56.3 mph (my choice)
12x8 2b, 9200 rpm, 5.25 lbs thrust, 60.4 mph
11x10 2b, 9800 rpm, 4.2 lbs thrust, 80.6 mph
I am currently running an apc 12x7 on my 6 lb. H9 P51. It's a good prop for that plane, the fa62 really likes it.
12x6 3b, 9200 rpm, 7.35 lbs thrust, 45.3 mph
12x7 2b, 9800 rpm, 5.96 lbs thrust, 56.3 mph (my choice)
12x8 2b, 9200 rpm, 5.25 lbs thrust, 60.4 mph
11x10 2b, 9800 rpm, 4.2 lbs thrust, 80.6 mph
I am currently running an apc 12x7 on my 6 lb. H9 P51. It's a good prop for that plane, the fa62 really likes it.

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Dave, some "richened for flight" numbers for your Tiger 3/fa62. AUW 5.5-6.0 lbs.
12x6 3b, 9200 rpm, 7.35 lbs thrust, 45.3 mph
12x7 2b, 9800 rpm, 5.96 lbs thrust, 56.3 mph (my choice)
12x8 2b, 9200 rpm, 5.25 lbs thrust, 60.4 mph
11x10 2b, 9800 rpm, 4.2 lbs thrust, 80.6 mph
I am currently running an apc 12x7 on my 6 lb. H9 P51. It's a good prop for that plane, the fa62 really likes it.
12x6 3b, 9200 rpm, 7.35 lbs thrust, 45.3 mph
12x7 2b, 9800 rpm, 5.96 lbs thrust, 56.3 mph (my choice)
12x8 2b, 9200 rpm, 5.25 lbs thrust, 60.4 mph
11x10 2b, 9800 rpm, 4.2 lbs thrust, 80.6 mph
I am currently running an apc 12x7 on my 6 lb. H9 P51. It's a good prop for that plane, the fa62 really likes it.
Thankyou much. I consider everything I read.

Acdii, here's some prop choices for an fa100 making 1.8 hp using 2 blade props. Go down 1" diameter or 2" in pitch for 3 blade.
Optimal Propeller Calculator - OPC
enter 1.8 hp and 9400 rpm for peak torque rpm.
Optimal Propeller Calculator - OPC
enter 1.8 hp and 9400 rpm for peak torque rpm.
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