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Old 02-28-2020, 05:00 AM
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They say "Nothing flies like a Telemaster", I see what they mean! Took the "Pull Baby Pull" Sr Tele out for maiden yesterday. With the FG21 and 16x6 prop the rollout was less than 15 ft. and spot landing was really slow, even harrier-like. No problem at all landing on my 100 ft. diameter pad even with wind gusts to 15 mph. It's fun to fly on the wing with confidence.

I flew for 24 min at varying throttle, a lot at 1/2 to 3/4 throttle , and used 4 oz. of fuel from the 8 oz. tank. Total fuel investment was 27 cents.

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Good one.

I would have happily spent 75 cents and done it on methanol instead
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Good one.

I would have happily spent 75 cents and done it on methanol instead
Assuming you can get an FA115 on cdi to use < 1/2 oz./min on 0% nitro I'd say that's a fair assessment.
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Originally Posted by Hobbsy
Good morning all, the early high compression 150-S had 11.24 to 1 compression, not super high though, the early 80 had 15.5 to 1, both demanded a certain amount of respect. Don't get either rich or lean or your prop will end up at your neighbors, my 150 actually did that on a 30 degree day. Once you get the touch you'll love it. As Gary said the 150 is a sweet heart. Those high compression Saitos and a Fox Miracle plug are a perfect match. Although CH Ignition is a perfect match also. You're pretty much limited to 10% fuel on both. The carbs are all the same save for the arm. Supposedly the current spray bar is an up grade, I could never determine a difference.

A quote by w8ye, "The 150H deal came about from some INTERN girl working at Horizon Hobby advertising department saw a little "H" stamped on the top of the right lug. They've used the same advertising copy ever since."

Mike, if you hang on to the 125 I'll fix up a suitably sized velocity stack for it.
Thanks for the info Hobbsy.

Any way to to tell if itís a high compression engine from looking at it? Iím assuming not all 150Sís are high compression.

As far as the carb upgrades go, I noticed on my 72 upgrade kit that the HS needle has a different profile compared to the original. The spray bar must be machined differently to accommodate that. Perhaps to increase or decrease sensitivity?

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Hmm 125 on a Liberty Sport.... What's the weight of it Meester Crunch?
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Originally Posted by Glowgeek
Assuming you can get an FA115 on cdi to use < 1/2 oz./min on 0% nitro I'd say that's a fair assessment.

At part throttle, no problem, and well worth the extra pennies. Even on glow ignition for that matter. 0% Methanol ("Glow") fuel costs about $11/gallon.

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Originally Posted by Captcrunch44
Yeah donít plan to get rid of the 125.
I will find a airplane to put it in. ( do I smell another Hog) hmmmmm.

Well then, here is a V-Stack for it, the lathe is getting handier and handier. It will take a little pushing to get the clip edges up where they will clip, but very doable. I try to get it headed your way tomorrow if not today. If anyone has some of those clips extra I could use them, Thanks

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hey guys, I received the Phoenix Ryan STA, 71" span yesterday, I tell you it looks really nice !! it was kitted much nicer than my other ARF planes, the fuse and wings were covered with foam paper sheeting and the fuse was taped to the box. and all the bagged parts were also taped down to the box. the wings were under the fuse with cardboard between them (of course), the cowl is nice with molded panel lines. and the vertical stab is built up with the frame, a nice plus. I like it more than the GeeBee Y.

Pete would like this one with a Saito 150 in it !!

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Cool Dave thanks
with that I guess I will go through the engine just to make sure itís good good.

I have a 125 in a hog bipe. I almost like the 91 a little better but I think the bipe is a little nose heavy. I will fix that the next time I get out.

As far as weight I will have to weigh it when I get home.

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Originally Posted by the Wasp
hey guys, I received the Phoenix Ryan STA, 71" span yesterday, I tell you it looks really nice !! it was kitted much nicer than my other ARF planes, the fuse and wings were covered with foam paper sheeting and the fuse was taped to the box. and all the bagged parts were also taped down to the box. the wings were under the fuse with cardboard between them (of course), the cowl is nice with molded panel lines. and the vertical stab is built up with the frame, a nice plus. I like it more than the GeeBee Y.

Pete would like this one with a Saito 150 in it !!

Jim
Yep, me too!

Jim, Most of the Pheonix Models ARFs have been very good (excluding hardware) but watch out for that cowl paint. The paint is hard as nails and nonflexable so ANY bending of the cowl WILL cause the paint to crack. My Sbach has 6 or 8 large chips out of it and cracks everwhere because I gently squeezed it between my legs to dremel the engine cutouts two handed. Looks like a big fat dammit now. Flies wonderful though!

Have you decided on an engine?


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Nice looking plane Jim, my Tiger 3 is also a Pheonix Model.
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Lonnie, for the engine, I was undecided until I saw the specs on my VQ P-40. so I have 2 engines, my FA100 & my FA115, I was going to put the 115 in the P-40, but the manual did not have the flying weight. so I looked up the weight on the VQ site (7.23 pounds to 7.94),, I think I will put the 100 in the P-40 and 115 in the Ryan

P-40,,
Span..... 62"
flying Weight.. 7.23 pounds to 7.94

Ryan STA,,
Span....71"
Flying Weight... 9.03 pounds to 9.48 pounds.

now what am I going to put in the Midget Mustang, I was going to put the FA100 in it, my K&B 100 wont fit in the Mustang unless I change the muffler LOL

VQ's site,,
http://www.vqmodel.com/NewVQModel/about-us.html

Dave, yes I remember your plane is a Phoenix brand, I looked good at it on Tower's site for my K&B100, but I don't think the K&B will fit in it with the stock muffler.

Jim

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oops !

Lonnie, as for hardware, I sure understand that, both my World Models planes were like that, the cleaves suck for sure and the threads on the push/pull rods suck too, I'm sure they want us to crash and buy another plane. I bought a tube of Do Bro push/pull rods, 36 per tube. I have to order glue and other things, I think I will be ordering some nice control arms too.

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Good choice Jim. The Ryan should be pretty quick with the 115 spinning a 14x8 or even a 13x10.

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Originally Posted by Glowgeek
Good choice Jim. The Ryan should be pretty quick with the 115 spinning a 14x8 or even a 13x10.
yes, and I bought the APC 13x10 and 14x8 for the 115 in the P-40, I figured the 15x6 would be to long for the 62" span plane.

oh, as for the Ryan, I thought I would buy a set of Robart spring Robo Struts, I have a set for my P-40 and they seem to be OK

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yes, and I bought the APC 13x10 and 14x8 for the 115 in the P-40, I figured the 15x6 would be to long for the 62" span plane.

oh, as for the Ryan, I thought I would buy a set of Robart spring Robo Struts, I have a set for my P-40 and they seem to be OK

Jim
How is those going to work with those fixed wheel pants?
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How is those going to work with those fixed wheel pants?
well first let me say that most every one around here end up removing their wheel pants because they usually get damaged quickly. grass rips up the back of the pants. actually most guys around hear do not even put them on their planes. I even think Gary told me he doesn't use them (Gary, did I remember that correctly)

but I have been wondering a long time now what if I cut off a 1/2 inch around the bottom of the wheel pants so they don't set so low on the bottom. that way they wont get in the grass so much on a hard landing. I also had the thought> when I cut them> cut them on an angle so behind the tires they will be higher so if the tires flattens a bit on a landing the back of the paint will stay out of the grass. I feel that I rather have a set of cut pants stay on and give the scale effect than have a set of uncut pants hitting and ripped up.
then today I had the idea about the Robart struts, so now I am wondering if I just fit the struts so the tires are even lower. of course I wont really know what I will do until I have the Robart struts here and the plane is all together

I hope you got my drift on that LOL

Jim

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guys, I think these guys in the video are crazy enough to own Saito engines, or just the glow plugs


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Jim did you have a sister like this too?


Jim i like scale sounds so i'll restrict my comments to the saito fa100 you are thinking about for the midget mustang.There is no problem,mount it sideways as i've done with the fa115 in mine see pic back a few posts.

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Gary, I ordered another accessory for the lathe, a radius cutting tool, maybe I can make myself some brass balls.


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Gary, I ordered another accessory for the lathe, a radius cutting tool, maybe I can make myself some brass balls.
Perhaps, but they get really cold and clank when you walk.
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Perhaps, but they get really cold and clank when you walk.
Warm them and I heard it makes the girls happy though. Not sure how, but thats for a different forum I guess.
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Originally Posted by Captcrunch44
Yeah donít plan to get rid of the 125.
I will find a airplane to put it in. ( do I smell another Hog) hmmmmm.
On it's way, tracking number PM'd.
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Well then, here is a V-Stack for it, the lathe is getting handier and handier. It will take a little pushing to get the clip edges up where they will clip, but very doable. I try to get it headed your way tomorrow if not today. If anyone has some of those clips extra I could use them, Thanks
Those stacks look sweet. If I had some of those clips I would send them your way. I fear they would not be as easy to make as they look, at least to make them look like factory parts.
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They are made of good stuff, you really have to be careful drilling them, slowly is the word.

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