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Old 08-24-2020, 10:11 AM
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Gary
I just sent you a PM and an email.
Thanks so much
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Modeltronics: It is yours.



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Hmm
any body remember the term " the scientific method"?
It worked pretty darn good for proving or disproving theories before we had computers to tell us what was right and wrong and abandoned thinking for ourselves. Scientific.
Science so-called is now superstition and innuendo from fools with little stupid screens bloviating snoke past glass "facts".
This hillbilly ain't buying in. That wool fleece will scratch your eyes straight into blindness.
And that's right where them politician people want to live.
"Smoke and"...

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Meanwhile, back at the ranch, MoTronic's Fire Hose Nozzle is on it's way to his house by a very scientific method, USPS.
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Lonnie, do you have one of these thicker carb/velocity stack spacers, Thanks


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Originally Posted by Hobbsy
Lonnie, do you have one of these thicker carb/velocity stack spacers, Thanks
I thought I had gotten one with a carb kit but don't see it now. I'm having issues lately with not knowing where I put things. I have a brand new Moto G6 cell phone floating around here somewhere that I got with a 4 line ATT contract, can't find it anywhere. My G-daughter isn't very happy about that either.
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Dave,
oon't want to make one?

Modtronics,

Your pipe and nuts will go out tomorrow. as will the open rocker 30 to Cap'n crunchmeister.

And yes, I did cut away that cylinder you sent. IIRC it was a 56. Time to re-post the pics.

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Originally Posted by Glowgeek
Modeltronics, sorry, no luck on my end. Maybe Hyjinx or Hobbsy can find one in their Saito stash.
People people on this site are just great. I hadn't even had time to look for that muffler in my stash before somebody sent him one you guys are the coolest
Bunch of pay It forward Americans right here. Let's all get along 😊
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Originally Posted by Jesse Open
Dave,
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Modtronics,

Your pipe and nuts will go out tomorrow. as will the open rocker 30 to Cap'n crunchmeister.

And yes, I did cut away that cylinder you sent. IIRC it was a 56. Time to re-post the pics.
ummmm.....oooookay.....nevermind
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Dave and Gary thank you so much. The engine will be so cool being all original again.

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And Gary, repost the cut away pictures again if you don't mind. I think I saw them once before but they are very interesting to see.
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Originally Posted by modeltronics
And Gary, repost the cut away pictures again if you don't mind. I think I saw them once before but they are very interesting to see.

By popular demand.....

Exhaust port

Intake port
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Mike, I am sorry to hear the bad news! I know much about the lose of loved ones. my own brother died at 17 way back in 73, he was cheated in a car accident. I was 14 and in bed when he died, well he was a bit mean to me the last few weeks he was alive, but today I have come to miss him more as I get older.
we are all your friends Mike, we all care!!

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Good pics Gary, clearly showing some effeciency gain can be had by creating a short turn radius in the ports. I haven't yet developed the nerve to attempt it.
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Note the brass color in the cylinder sleeve while the valve seat-guide assembly is reddish, indicating bronze material. Yep, for certain the porting is more production oriented than performance. This being an early cylinder, it would be interesting to do a later engine for comparison. The early 40 was not exactly a fire breathing monster.
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Originally Posted by Jesse Open
Note the brass color in the cylinder sleeve while the valve seat-guide assembly is reddish, indicating bronze material. Yep, for certain the porting is more production oriented than performance. This being an early cylinder, it would be interesting to do a later engine for comparison. The early 40 was not exactly a fire breathing monster.
Do you think a new engine would have a different material than bronze? If I remember correctly the early OS 4 cycles had the same power problem. I'm curious to know if YS and Enya suffered the same malady in the early years. The first thing I can remember hearing about YS is they had a lot of power.compared to other brands I don't remember much if anything about Enya 4 cycles I think they came out after I had left the hobby for a time.
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I want everyone to know I owed Jesse Owen an apology and have done so. I was out of line and took out my frustrations and sense of loss on a friend, HE DESERVES BETTER!!!!
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Originally Posted by FlyerInOKC
Do you think a new engine would have a different material than bronze? If I remember correctly the early OS 4 cycles had the same power problem. I'm curious to know if YS and Enya suffered the same malady in the early years. The first thing I can remember hearing about YS is they had a lot of power.compared to other brands I don't remember much if anything about Enya 4 cycles I think they came out after I had left the hobby for a time.
The newer Saito glow engines are all AAC. No more of the ABC but they are lighter and still hold up well.
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Did the change to AAC from ABC happen about the same time the 2 cycle engines changed or did one come before the other?
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Originally Posted by FlyerInOKC
Did the change to AAC from ABC happen about the same time the 2 cycle engines changed or did one come before the other?
Not sure when in relation to 2 cycle engines but Saito's AAC cylinder design holds up perfectly well in methanol applications. Their attempt to use the full AAC design for gas applications didn't work out so well with the FG20, burnt exhaust valve seats and rod problems, so they moved back to bronze seats and rod bushings for gas engines but kept the lighter AAC cylinder (no brass liner).

Are there actually unsleeved 2 strokes out there? I've not heard of any.



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I think the K&B Sportster engines had no sleeve.
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They didn't go unsleeved they went with a different alloy in the sleeve. If I remember correctly there were a lot of industries researching metallurgy at the time. A friend of mine was in college was studying metallurgy at the time and found he got multiple internship offers with guaranteed hiring after graduation. His fiancee was killed in a hit and run and he dropped out. He ended up dying from Pneumonia in his mid twenties on the day after Christmas after finally getting a handle on things.

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One of the engines that has me scratching my head was the Super Tigre 4C, I found an ad for ago but I have never seen the engine itself. I always wonder if it ever made it to market. It looks like they modified an existing S3000 2 cycle to turn it into a 4 cycle.

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I saw this ad this morning good looking open rocker engine.

https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show...-free-shipping
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Heavily stained and lightly used, makes sense. That ST 4 stroke, if it has a check valve in the crankcase could very well be super charged, the rotary valve under carb would be one stage, a check valve in front of the induction pipe would be the second stage.

The Webra T-4 87 was super charged in such a fashion, there was a check valve on each side of the crankcase, mine had those blocked off by plates.


Super Charged Webra T-4 87

My own T-4 87 standard.


Helping someone time theirs.

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