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Old 04-02-2008, 06:58 PM
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Does buying used motors make any sense? Or do they wear out and need replaced? I cannot imagine boring it and a slightly larger piston being available....
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RPMcK,

I asked the same question a couple of years ago and was told it was fine. I rotated mine 180 degrees and it did not change anything. I hope you have some tiny wrenches.

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Old 04-02-2008, 08:16 PM
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Hi Ed,

Just curious. What is your defination of an "American Nitro Freak"? I just bought out (read stole) a friends complete RC stuff which included 8 Enya engines. one Enya 60 still NIB. They're all older models (including the 60). I just got this stuff (about 6 "needing repair" airplanes as well) and haven't been able to do a lot of research yet. But to date I have not found any technical information on the Enya's. Did I mention that the Enya's were all (but one) in the box and the Airplanes all had K&B's mounted. I'm not trying to bad mouth anyone or any product here. But from what I've experienced trying to find any information about the Enya makes me think they milght have been well advised to have "caved in" to the "nitro freaks" as well. But like your post, this is just an opinion.

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Old 04-02-2008, 08:21 PM
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We tend to use more nitro than any engine needs, for example the myth that Saitos require huge percentages of nitro, it's simply not so, only YS engines require it.
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Jim

Thanks for the reply. I do have the wrenches. I had to slim 'em down a bit but I finally got them to fit. What's the story with the little nut that is on the outside? Mine has a little nut, the spring clip then the larger nut. I would think the nuts, spring and spray bar (with nipple) would all be seperate pieces but mine acts like the little nut and spray bar are stuck together. I'm afraid to put too much pressure on things since I don't know what I'm dealing with.

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Ron, there is also a tiny O-ring inside the hole in the spring clip that goes under the outside nut.
Old 04-02-2008, 08:56 PM
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OK lets see if I understand this. I've got the whole intake assembly on the desk here and I have the Hight speed needle first that screws into the spray bar I assume. then there is a barrel section that the fuel nipple screws into. Then a small hex nut., the spring clip and then the larger hex nut against the carb body. If I want to take it apart what is the procedure? I tried loosing the small nut from the big nut and it just didn't seem to be working. It would move a fraction of a turn and get tight again.
I quit messing with it cause I don't want to strip something.
Old 04-02-2008, 09:31 PM
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If carb like this one take the needle off then the black nut in the spring clip. The O-ring I mentioned is under that black nut.
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Old 04-02-2008, 09:52 PM
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BTW guys, just by way of conversation. While I was messing with the carb on my l80 I had occasion to remove velocity stack (it came from the factory with one installed) and found there was no seal of any kind between the carb body and the stack. There is a flange that extends down into the carb bore about a 1/16 or an inch or so but is still has the slots on both sides. They don't go directly into the carb throut however because of the flange. It doesn't appear to be that tight but it's definately not the path of least resistence. I'm sure adding an "O" ring doesn't hurt any thing. But maybe it's not really necessary either on the induction side of the carb. And then again maybe the factory changed the design. What the heck. I was just supprised there was none there.

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That carb doesn't look quite like mine and my computer operator (my sweet wife) is not available to send pictures like you can do or I would send a picture of mine. I'm not that smart. It'll be a few days before she gets back but if I'm still having questions I'd like to pick your brain a again. Thanks for your help. Your are a great sourse of information and knowlede and we all appriciate it.

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The Saito 120, 150, 180, & 220 do not have an O ring between the velocity stack and the carburetor nor do they actually need one
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W8ye,

Thanks, confirms my opinion. I'm sure if the manufacture thought it needed one it'd be there. How about the other models? Is it actually required on the induction side of the carb unless your are really serious bout filtering the air?

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Ron, you must have this carb, I'll check mine out for you, the picture above is of an .80 carb, sorry.
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Old 04-03-2008, 08:58 AM
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Hobbsy, Yes, the carb in the last picture you posted looks llike the one I have. Thanks for checking this for me.

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Ron, here's whatcha got, the end with the fuel fitting can go on in any position, the larger nut holds the spraybar in which the cats eye should point straight up when looking down from the engine side of the carb. How do you like my decorator paper towels, compliments of the Missus.
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Dave,

Those are sweet looking towels!!!
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Barry, no matter how nice they are, I sure can mess em up. They cover up my saw dust from yesterdays project, now I get to do some serious clean up. I bought a Craftsman Cycle Jack for my Harley and had to make a couple of oak spacers so the lift surfaces would not come up against my rear muffler and balance tube which also serves as the muffler mount/support. It's very hard to clean the wheels when you can't turn them, now I can.

I just bought two more TurboHeaders and will be running them on my Saito TS .90 twin. I hate the sound of the crinkle pipes that came on the TS, the THs should sound fantastic.
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I agree with blw Hobbsy. Sweet towels. And thanks for the pics. You have probably saved me a lot of grief down the road. Who ever put this engine together belived in "tight"!! I finally got the fuel nipple assembly off the carb. And I found I had moved the "cats eye" around off the top side so thanks for that information. Now if I can get the little jam nut free from the fuel nipple bango should be good to go. Thanks again for your help.

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Ron, here's whatcha got, the end with the fuel fitting can go on in any position, the larger nut holds the spraybar in which the cats eye should point straight up when looking down from the engine side of the carb. How do you like my decorator paper towels, compliments of the Missus.

Thats some good info. I dont ever remember seein the "cats eye" on mine though. Ill have to check, What about the side to side play in the spray bar? Seems the little bolt
That acts as the guide for the slide wears down? Can anything be done about this? Does it cause irregular rpms or fuel mixtures?

Say Im tuning the low end and Im pushing a little on the screwdriver,The whole assembly seems to push in a little bit. Will this effect low end tuning?
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Dave,

I just have to tell you that if your wife gets those Winnie the Pooh towels, you had better not use them when taking pictures. Thought I should mention that.......
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Welcome Ron

Mike, it does effect it when you push the barrel in, in fact if you're close to being too lean that will make it quit, just set the idle speed screw where you want it to idle temporarily, it won't move much then. When you get your LS set the way you want it back the idle speed screw out slightly so you can shut it down with the trim tab. I prefer the newer carbs without the idle speed screw and barrel spring.
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I'm cosidering Buying another Turbo Muffler for My saito .72. only thing stoping me is finding an extension so i can get the muffler out past the planes fuse.. Thought i would ask on here and see if anyone has any ideas of what might work. I looked at Horrizon hobbies for something but couldn't find anything that looked like it would work would have to have a female end for the muffler to screw into and a male end to screw into the engine.

Or i guess i could aim the muffler up so the exahust would go over the top of the plane i guess.. But i kinda want it to point down so it dont look to weird and wont get the plane super dirty..

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Old 04-03-2008, 04:16 PM
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glad I got mine before you talk Hobbsy out of using the pretty backgrounds.
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Link, I just ordered a couple of Jim's 90 degree adapters for my 10mm engines, I have new .56 GK on a RCM 40 and due to the right thrust the TH points at the edge of the wind shield, with the adapter I can angle it out away from the plane. I think you saw what I did with my Senior TeleMaster. The combination of the TurboHeader and 90 degree adapter is very flexible.
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Thank you Hobbsy!

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