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Old 02-10-2013, 03:01 PM
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Looking forward to the vid

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmCve03DpFc[/youtube]
Old 02-10-2013, 03:17 PM
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Looking forward to the vid

http://youtu.be/4uZvzVm6ukc
I couldn't tell, which one was faster?
Old 02-10-2013, 03:26 PM
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same speed it appears...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uZvzVm6ukc[/youtube]
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Huk you may have damaged the new needle seat by fitting the bent hsn?
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Hey i'd like to see and hear a longer bit if you have it
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Huk you may have damaged the new needle seat by fitting the bent hsn?
I hope not. The needle is bent at the base where it attaches to the handle. It is still straight, only not concentric with the handle. That make it difficult to turn. At least that is my present assessment. I will find out when I get the new needle. From now on, it this happens, I will always buy the needle and jet as a pairl
Old 02-11-2013, 06:34 AM
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Anyone know why they sometimes start in reverse? Also, when its cold, they just don't wont to start? I use 15% fuel, should I use a higher mix?

Below is the video to what I am running... Thanks!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9muW0CRVAco
Old 02-11-2013, 09:31 AM
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Also, when its cold, they just don't wont to start? I use 15% fuel, should I use a higher mix
Even W/CDI my standard compression FA180 or FA150 won't start on 15% nitro when it gets cold. The Alcohol doesn't vaporize well @ lower temperatures.

My 12.77:1 CR high compression 180 starts better when it's cold due to the higher combustion chamber temperatures when cranking.

I can use a heat gun to heat up the carburetor & intake manifold. Then, the stock engines will start.

In Northern states, E-85 blends are dropped to about 60% alcohol in winter for the very same reason
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Thank You! I guess that's why when I take it out of the heated cab of the truck it starts....... rather then at or below 0 it is just not working... Any Idea on why it starts in reverse? I will kill it, and after a few start and stops, it will run. Its not cavitating, it is running in reverse....
Old 02-11-2013, 04:45 PM
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just use an electric starter, a cure all for most things like this and saves the fingers
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just use an electric starter, a cure all for most things like this and saves the fingers
When it gets down below freezing I can turn the stock compression engines over for quite some time W/an electric starter W/no fire.

Just not enough heat build up in the compression of the stock engines.

The high compression 180 will light off when the stock engines won't.

I'm sure that @ a certain minimum temperature the 180HC will fail to start too, but I don't want to be fooling with it when it's that cold.
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I have heard of some people using lighter fluid to help start a cold engine but don't know how well it works or if it's even advisable.
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Anyone know why they sometimes start in reverse?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOoQXTInTQM[/youtube]
Old 02-12-2013, 03:50 AM
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Hey mike that engine sounds good do you think it's a bit lean flat out can hear it surging?
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I have heard of some people using lighter fluid to help start a cold engine but don't know how well it works or if it's even advisable.
I'm so glad YOU said that couple of drops and you're away and running
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Ha HA! I had to look at that 3x's... I must need more coffee......
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Anyone know why they sometimes start in reverse?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOoQXTInTQM[/youtube]
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I have heard of some people using lighter fluid to help start a cold engine but don't know how well it works or if it's even advisable.
I'm so glad YOU said that couple of drops and you're away and running
They are pretty snappy with a little lighter fluid.

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OK then. So lighter fluid is the ticket for getting a cold engine running. Do you put a few drops down the carb or put a little in the fuel tank?
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And are you talking about fluid for what, Grill or cig lighter?

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How about engine starter spray used for cars and small gas engines?
Old 02-12-2013, 02:13 PM
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I have a Saito 120 that needs repair where is the best place to send it?
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Hi mate,on a fourstroke i open the throttle fully and block the carb intake with my thumb,flick the prop two or three times to bring the fuel up then a couple of drops of lighter fluid into the carb with throttle fully open.Flick the prop over several times.Throttle back to your normal starting position and put the glo stick on.One or two flicks and your away.If your engine is fully cowled it's going to be a pain in the rear end.
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In very cold conditions i don't see why you could'nt set upu a portable hairdryer to blow warm air into a fully cowled engine for five or ten minutes,should be game on then.
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In very cold conditions i don't see why you could'nt set upu a portable hairdryer to blow warm air into a fully cowled engine for five or ten minutes,should be game on then.
I never thought of that. They make 12v models for RV use don't they?

I used my heat gun in the garage when I am out putzing around on a cold day.

Geting the intake manifold & carburetor warm is the most effective method IME.
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I find the starting sequences people are using interesting.  After a number of "bitten fingers", bitten by various engines startingh with Burford 2.5 diesels and working up through to those engines referred to in polite circles as "Leroy's revenge" I have come to a number of conclusions.
1/ Ensure that your engine is run in and in good tune, this leads to 2/ The engine should have an established prime procedure, mine is (with presurised tanks to place a finger (or suitable blocking device on the muffler outlet and turn the engine over by hand 2 or 3 revolutions, them 3/ apply the glo device and 4/ attach starting device (my electric starter) and actuate.  Assuming all batteries are fully charged and I have the throttle open the required amount (I find this is different for each engine) the engine 99% of the time starts is the desired fashion.
IF I DEVIATE from ths procedure I expect to have problems.
The essage I am trying to deliver is have a start procedure, stick to ii and if you have problems you can virtually elimate (or confirm) such things as dud glo plugs, flooding, poor start due to cold or hot (yesfuel vaporises) coditions etc.
And the biggie, no damaged didgets
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