YS 53 FZ problem
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Kostas, you need to set the LowSpeed needle at 1.5 turns out from closed to begin. My guess is that your engine is smoking a lot before it quits, is this true, if true there can only be two things wrong. Either the regulator is not lean enough or defective or the HighSpeed needle is too rich. 2 1/8 turns is a long way out.
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Kostas, you need to set the LowSpeed needle at 1.5 turns out from closed to begin. My guess is that your engine is smoking a lot before it quits, is this true, if true there can only be two things wrong. Either the regulator is not lean enough or defective or the HighSpeed needle is too rich. 2 1/8 turns is a long way out.
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Kostas, you need to set the LowSpeed needle at 1.5 turns out from closed to begin. My guess is that your engine is smoking a lot before it quits, is this true, if true there can only be two things wrong. Either the regulator is not lean enough or defective or the HighSpeed needle is too rich. 2 1/8 turns is a long way out.
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Kostas, you need to set the LowSpeed needle at 1.5 turns out from closed to begin. My guess is that your engine is smoking a lot before it quits, is this true, if true there can only be two things wrong. Either the regulator is not lean enough or defective or the HighSpeed needle is too rich. 2 1/8 turns is a long way out.
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[8D]Mmmm,i haven't noticed anything like this.
But tomorrow i plan to test run my engine again.
So i will see that?
Also you think that 2-1/8 is a lot?
What then should i do?
Should i lean it,but how much?
Also this is the problem,you think?
But tomorrow i plan to test run my engine again.
So i will see that?
Also you think that 2-1/8 is a lot?
What then should i do?
Should i lean it,but how much?
Also this is the problem,you think?
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this sounds like a regulator problem, you may want to take down the regulator and check if there is
some kind of blockage in the little holes in the housing.
some kind of blockage in the little holes in the housing.
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Regulator is in the diaphragm?
Sorry but i don't know anything for YS engines.The YS 53 FZ is my first,and i will think very much to buy another one.
Sorry but i don't know anything for YS engines.The YS 53 FZ is my first,and i will think very much to buy another one.
#33

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Hi members.
I tested my engine again with the high speed 1,5 out and low 1,75 out but nothing.
The engine works very good on idle but when i am going from idle to full throtle the engine stops.
Also if the engine stays for some time[seconds to minute] at idle,when i am going to full throttle the engines rpm increases very very very slow.
What is it happening?
I tested my engine again with the high speed 1,5 out and low 1,75 out but nothing.
The engine works very good on idle but when i am going from idle to full throtle the engine stops.
Also if the engine stays for some time[seconds to minute] at idle,when i am going to full throttle the engines rpm increases very very very slow.
What is it happening?
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Kostas,
Is your fuel tank sealed and pressurized by the front-left nipple of the engine (on the same side as the carburettor feed nipple), through the one-way check valve (the tank should be strong enough to hold about 5 psi (0.33 bar), without bursting, or leaking. A Hayes tank is very good for this)?
This engine uses suction for fuel feed, only during idling.
At RPM higher than 2,000 pressurized fuel is a necessity, not only a 'nice to have' option.
The fuel system absolutely relies on this.
This engine's 'mechanical fuel injection' system relies on high pressure fuel feed, but it does not have a real 'fuel pump'; just an air pump, to pressurize the fuel tank and a regulator to control the fuel dosage.
Also, does the one-way check valve work correctly? It must only allow flow from the engine to the fuel tank and not vice-versa.
Make sure you have not crossed the fuel lines and nipples, using the drawing in the manual.
Is your fuel tank sealed and pressurized by the front-left nipple of the engine (on the same side as the carburettor feed nipple), through the one-way check valve (the tank should be strong enough to hold about 5 psi (0.33 bar), without bursting, or leaking. A Hayes tank is very good for this)?
This engine uses suction for fuel feed, only during idling.
At RPM higher than 2,000 pressurized fuel is a necessity, not only a 'nice to have' option.
The fuel system absolutely relies on this.
This engine's 'mechanical fuel injection' system relies on high pressure fuel feed, but it does not have a real 'fuel pump'; just an air pump, to pressurize the fuel tank and a regulator to control the fuel dosage.
Also, does the one-way check valve work correctly? It must only allow flow from the engine to the fuel tank and not vice-versa.
Make sure you have not crossed the fuel lines and nipples, using the drawing in the manual.
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Hi again.
Em,
my tank is 12oz Dubro and the check valve works perfectly.
But my fuel lines are not straight,crossed.Do you think that this can be the problem?
Em,

But my fuel lines are not straight,crossed.Do you think that this can be the problem?
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Hi again.
Em,
my tank is 12oz Dubro and the check valve works perfectly.
But my fuel lines are not straight,crossed.Do you think that this can be the problem?
Hi again.
Em,

But my fuel lines are not straight,crossed.Do you think that this can be the problem?
ORIGINAL: DarZeelon
Make sure you have not crossed the fuel lines and nipples, using the drawing in the manual.
Make sure you have not crossed the fuel lines and nipples, using the drawing in the manual.
What I meant is that you should check if any nipple is connected to the wrong tank outlet... Crossed up; not crossed over...
If something is connected incorrectly, or pressure is not retained in the tank, it will not work at all.
#39

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Îο,all lines are in the correct position and the engine is running well on idle.
Also i don't have any pressure leaking from somewhere.
But when i advance to full throttle my engines rpm are decreasing unexpectadly.
Also i don't have any pressure leaking from somewhere.

But when i advance to full throttle my engines rpm are decreasing unexpectadly.
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Kostas,
This means either one of the following:
1. The engine is not pressurizing the fuel tank (either the engine isn't supplying pressure, or the one-way valve isn't working, or you have an obstruction in the mechanism).
2. The high-speed needle is too closed.
3. The mid-range is too lean (regulator pressure too low).
4. An obstruction in the fuel passages.
There is no other apparent reason.
This means either one of the following:
1. The engine is not pressurizing the fuel tank (either the engine isn't supplying pressure, or the one-way valve isn't working, or you have an obstruction in the mechanism).
2. The high-speed needle is too closed.
3. The mid-range is too lean (regulator pressure too low).
4. An obstruction in the fuel passages.
There is no other apparent reason.
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Μy YS is pressurizing the tank because when i disconnect the fuel line from the check valve pressurized air gets out of it.
So in this case is there any possibility of a check valve problem?
Also can you explain me the 3rd reason you said?
Regulator is in the diaphragm,correct?
So in this case is there any possibility of a check valve problem?
Also can you explain me the 3rd reason you said?
Regulator is in the diaphragm,correct?
#42
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Kostas,
If the regulator is malfunctioning, it will put out too low a pressure, so the engine will not receive enough fuel for part throttle operation, and/or not enough to increase its speed.
The behavior is like a normal engine, with the low-speed needle set too lean.
The engine may idle very nicely, but when a greater need for fuel arises, the engine will cut out and die.
The diaphragm could be perforated, or there could a blockage in a fuel/air passage, within the regulator housing.
If the regulator is malfunctioning, it will put out too low a pressure, so the engine will not receive enough fuel for part throttle operation, and/or not enough to increase its speed.
The behavior is like a normal engine, with the low-speed needle set too lean.
The engine may idle very nicely, but when a greater need for fuel arises, the engine will cut out and die.
The diaphragm could be perforated, or there could a blockage in a fuel/air passage, within the regulator housing.
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Kostas,
Don't replace your check valve yet, since you wrote the tank remains pressurized, it may be OK.
Check the regulator diaphragm and clean out the regulator mechanism, with compressed air, or with a silicone compatible solvent; not with a carburettor cleaner, nor with WD-40.
Don't replace your check valve yet, since you wrote the tank remains pressurized, it may be OK.
Check the regulator diaphragm and clean out the regulator mechanism, with compressed air, or with a silicone compatible solvent; not with a carburettor cleaner, nor with WD-40.
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Yes they did, I owned one for a few years. the upgrade kit was $35.00, Dave Shadel the YS factory rep at the time told me it would be a waste of 35 bucks to do the upgrade. They worked very well without it. The airbleed trim, (low speed needle) has very little authority anyway.
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The original 53 was a super engine. Came without a low speed adjustment and worked well. The upgrade kit did no harm but really was not needed in most cases. I did put them in all of mine anyhow.
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Thanks for the info Jesse, I bought a plane with one on it that looks almost new, and the other engines I googled all had a low needle, When I hook up the fuel tank so I use the diagram for the newer engine?
Jerry
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