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kh6oo 05-23-2006 01:29 PM

Nexstar 4-stroke option?
 
I bought a Nexstar to get back up in the air after some time off and to have it available to train later. Originally I was going to put in a OS .46AX that I have from a light crash that has not been repaired yet. After second thought I would like to consider putting a 4-stroke in it. LOVE THAT SOUND. And love the reliability. I am a saito fan but have only flown the .91 on a 60 size scale job. What I am wondering is what engine in the saito line would be a good match to the .46AX/FX that it normally ships with. Thats the preformance I would be looking for. I always remember getting told .71, but when I look around the reviews seem to speak well about the .56 GK and .61 being more then enough power. Basicly I want .46 Ball Bearing preformance vice .40LA. Would the .56 be plenty?

Thanks in advance
Tom

skiman762 05-23-2006 01:32 PM

RE: Nexstar 4-stroke option?
 
for the money a Magnum 52 would be a good chioce they run great too and real easy on fuel
the saito 56 would be great too
If you plan on moving into another plane after this one you might want to go with the saito 82 it is very close in weight to a 46 2 stroke
and would power your next plane.
The nice thing about 4 strokes is the just love to fly at any throttle setting so you won't be over powered no matter
some might say

aussiesteve 05-23-2006 01:59 PM

RE: Nexstar 4-stroke option?
 
I agree with Skiman - the 56 will power the Nexstar easily but for very little difference in cost, and similar weight to the 46AX the 82 will be an engine for the future. I run a 56 in a 40 sized stick and it works well but all of ther rest of my 40 - 46 sized models are fitted with either 72's or 82's (I gave all my small 2str to the teenagers because I am also addicted to that 4str sound).

Test005 05-23-2006 04:17 PM

RE: Nexstar 4-stroke option?
 
I have an LT-40 with a Magum .52fs. This is a perfect combo. Go for something in the ~.50 range, it'll be plenty enough and very well matched.

carrellh 05-23-2006 04:33 PM

RE: Nexstar 4-stroke option?
 

ORIGINAL: kh6oo

I bought a Nexstar to get back up in the air after some time off and to have it available to train later. Originally I was going to put in a OS .46AX that I have from a light crash that has not been repaired yet. After second thought I would like to consider putting a 4-stroke in it. LOVE THAT SOUND. And love the reliability. I am a saito fan but have only flown the .91 on a 60 size scale job. What I am wondering is what engine in the saito line would be a good match to the .46AX/FX that it normally ships with. Thats the preformance I would be looking for. I always remember getting told .71, but when I look around the reviews seem to speak well about the .56 GK and .61 being more then enough power. Basicly I want .46 Ball Bearing preformance vice .40LA. Would the .56 be plenty?

Thanks in advance
Tom
Unless you are just "in love" with the black & gold, don't spend the money for the GK version. The plain aluminum finish saves $15 to $30 depending which engine you pick and where you buy it. The 56 should be plenty for your trainer and for many 40 size sport planes. If your goal on a future plane is hovering, go for the 72 or 82. The 65 is actually heavier than the 72 and 82 so you might want to avoid it. Saito doesn't make a 61.

kh6oo 05-23-2006 05:00 PM

RE: Nexstar 4-stroke option?
 
Thanks for all the responses. Not to concurned with future use. Already have engines that fit that bill. haha. Just looking for a long term engine that I can train people on here and there, but still has the fun punch of a .46FX. (vice .40 that MOST trainers ship with.) So I guess I am leaning toward the Siato 52 (silver) if that fits the bill specified.

Tom

Test005 05-24-2006 03:57 AM

RE: Nexstar 4-stroke option?
 
~ .52-.56, will be enough. If I had the choice, I wouldn't want to replace my .52 with a .82, it's just too big and too much power. I bet you'd keep pushing it harder and harder until you fly the wings off of it.
With a .82, you could always fly on a lower throttle all the time, but honestly... would you :)

I use my LT40/.52fs as a trainer with a buddybox setup and it's great fun. Sips fuel and with a 1500mah ni-cad it can fly whole day. I think it's a great platform for introducing friends to RC and a real relaxing cruiser.

65 Chevy 05-24-2006 05:33 AM

RE: Nexstar 4-stroke option?
 
I understand that the Saito is a good strong and reliable engine. But if you are going to use it for training purposes, you might want to consider a cheaper and tougher engine. One that you wont mind so much when it crashes. I magnum 52 61 or 70 four stroke would fit the bill nicely and not brake the piggy bank. Just my .02

Hobbsy 05-24-2006 06:14 AM

RE: Nexstar 4-stroke option?
 
KH, the Saito .56 is a stronger engine than one would think, I have one that spent about 5 years on a Hangar 9 Cherokee 40, a flying brick weightwise, and it flew it just fine with a 12x6 three blade.

Iflyglow 05-24-2006 06:41 AM

RE: Nexstar 4-stroke option?
 
I second 65 Chevy. Pick up a Maggie and pocket the excess.:D:D:D:D

Hobbsy 05-24-2006 06:43 AM

RE: Nexstar 4-stroke option?
 
Now MotorMan, he wants a good engine.:D

skiman762 05-24-2006 07:00 AM

RE: Nexstar 4-stroke option?
 


ORIGINAL: torque wrench

Now MotorMan, he wants a good engine.:D
Hey now my old Maggie fires up faster then I can get the starter off it and never missies beat all day
best 149 bucks I every spent in this hobby

Iflyglow 05-24-2006 07:02 AM

RE: Nexstar 4-stroke option?
 
If you put a bag over your head, you would never know the difference listening to them.:D:D My maggie runs like a watch.:D:D You will not be able a provide a Saito example that runs any better.:D:D I have owned many Saito's and they are very nice engines, but for most sport applications the little bit extra power is not needed.:D:D

Iflyglow 05-24-2006 07:06 AM

RE: Nexstar 4-stroke option?
 
Before I pay the rediculis prices Saito now wants for there straight cut geared, non-bushed engines, I would buy a YS.
Now you would have a real performance engine.

Hobbsy 05-24-2006 07:10 AM

RE: Nexstar 4-stroke option?
 
A YS .53 FZ would fill the bill quite nicely. All those so called negatives you just said about Saitos make them simple, long lasting and user friendly engines.

Iflyglow 05-24-2006 07:27 AM

RE: Nexstar 4-stroke option?
 
Torgue Wrench,
I was only giving you a hard time, because you were dissing Maggies.:D The Saito's are becomming quite expensive for there simple construction.[X(] I personally have no problem with the cam gears, but sure would prefer a bushed rod. The Maggie will fill the bill just as well and save you quite a bit of money on top of it, and if for some reason you ever neeed parts or warranty work. The Hobby People staff are in my opinion the best to deal with in this hobby.:D

Test005 05-24-2006 12:03 PM

RE: Nexstar 4-stroke option?
 

Now MotorMan, he wants a good engine
I'd say the Magnum .52fs is a good engine. I have 3 OS fourstrokes and one Magnum. The Magnum is maybe a tad weaker than the comparable sized OS and takes a bit more time to break in but otherwise it's dead reliable and the one I use the most.
I'd go Magnum over OS next time I buy a fourbanger because of the reasonable price and positive experience I have with my Magnum.52fs.... Don't know about Saito's, never had one but I belive they are top notch as well.... For the price and to put on a trainer, Magnum 52 is hard to beat IMO.


skiman762 05-24-2006 12:07 PM

RE: Nexstar 4-stroke option?
 
All this Maggie talk I couldn't take it so I ordered another 139 with free shipping can't beat the price even it isn't the strongest kid on the block
he always shows up ready to work

Sport_Pilot 05-24-2006 01:58 PM

RE: Nexstar 4-stroke option?
 

After second thought I would like to consider putting a 4-stroke in it. LOVE THAT SOUND. And love the reliability.
Four strokes have their virtues, but reliability is not one of them. In fact two strokes are just slightly more reliable. But sometimes it seems people do not have the same definition of reliability as I. Maybe the better fuel draw and more linear throttle control from the smaller carb is what you are refering to?

Rv7garage 05-24-2006 02:38 PM

RE: Nexstar 4-stroke option?
 
I have an OS 52 Surpass on my taildragger converted NexStar, but the magnum would be a better (cheaper) choice for training newbs, because the crash risk goes up significantly. Of course, there are always engines on eBay for cheap- got my 52 for $136 including shipping, brand new.

skiman762 05-24-2006 03:03 PM

RE: Nexstar 4-stroke option?
 


ORIGINAL: Sport_Pilot


After second thought I would like to consider putting a 4-stroke in it. LOVE THAT SOUND. And love the reliability.
Four strokes have their virtues, but reliability is not one of them. In fact two strokes are just slightly more reliable. But sometimes it seems people do not have the same definition of reliability as I. Maybe the better fuel draw and more linear throttle control from the smaller carb is what you are refering to?

Ok I'll bite
what makes 4 stroke less reliable?
I have never had any problems with mine, 2 strokes either for that matter
but I'm always open to learning more

skiman762 05-24-2006 03:11 PM

RE: Nexstar 4-stroke option?
 

ORIGINAL: flycfii

I have an OS 52 Surpass on my taildragger converted NexStar, but the magnum would be a better (cheaper) choice for training newbs, because the crash risk goes up significantly. Of course, there are always engines on eBay for cheap- got my 52 for $136 including shipping, brand new.
ok why would cheaper be better ?
I read the engine forums as well and don't see the ys saito and os guys telling only stories about how their engines are perfect and never need anything right out of the box
I'm not directing this at you but anyone who buys because of a name is not a very smart consumer I choose magnum not for price but from what people say about them
and have never regreted it they may not be shiny and primped ,but they start and run well and being ringed makes them great for cold weather flying as well.

Hobbsy 05-24-2006 03:44 PM

RE: Nexstar 4-stroke option?
 
I buy Saitos, YSs and Enyas for the same reason.

Hobbsy 05-24-2006 03:54 PM

RE: Nexstar 4-stroke option?
 
MotorMan, I'll have to share my first and only Magnum experience. In about 1992 my daughter gave me a Magnum GP 40, it cost about $39.00 and ran about 39 seconds, a considerable amount of the piston came out of the exhaust pipe until it quit. It would not restart. It went straight into the big round can and I got a Fox .46 which I still have and use. My daughter then got me an early High Compression Saito 1.50 which I still have and use untouched so far.

Iflyglow 05-24-2006 04:05 PM

RE: Nexstar 4-stroke option?
 
I had one of those GP .40 back around 91 or 92, and it is still flying in the club.:D It has been sold about 4 times, but still runs like new.:D
I have had many four strokes rangeing in size from the Saito .30 to a OS 2.40 four clyinder, and they run no different or any better than the Magnums that I have had or the ones that I have seen.:D There are some people who you could put a pile of Dog **** on the ground in front of them with a name brand on it, and they will buy it.:D I am just waiting for someone to Clone the Saito's so the Maggies have some competition with there fair pricing.:D


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