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Old 12-27-2016, 08:48 AM
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Mike,

007 and 7 are two different numbers.

Hey! I do graphics for modelers. Check out my RCU Gallery. You might need me.

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Originally Posted by Avaiojet
Mike,

007 and 7 are two different numbers.

Hey! I do graphics for modelers. Check out my RCU Gallery. You might need me.

Charles

If you want to get technical a "zero" is not a number it is mathematically defined as a placeholder. It has no quantity, size, magnitude, and cannot be a negative.
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Great gallery too! In the future I will need some 1/16th WWI markings for a Richthofen DR.1 but will the "Plus" shaped crosses NOT the Maltese style crosses. They will have to wait for the time being I have been taped out with the holidays.
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Mike,

Yes, the Holidays slow me down also, but I try to get in an hour in each day or close to it.

You have a great thing going with the Golden Era of aviation.

Congrats!

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Originally Posted by Avaiojet
Mike,

Yes, the Holidays slow me down also, but I try to get in an hour in each day or close to it.

You have a great thing going with the Golden Era of aviation.

Congrats!

Charles
Well some of the most interesting airplanes were built in this era. I have two scratch built Ryan Sports Cabins I need to work on, an Ace Staggewing Sumple Series kit to build, I own a 1/5 scale Cub and have another Cub kit yet to build. I have plans, plastic, and short kit for Rich Uravitch's Cessna 195 Businessliner which if you think about it is a hold over from that era with it's radial engine design. I have 1/4 scale Globe Swift project which was designed in 1940. At some point I'm sure I'll build a Spartan Executive, and either a Lockheed Vega "Winnie Mae", Stinson SR9/10, or a Howard DGA. (Sigh) So many airplanes so little time!
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And a Ryan STA and possibly a Ryan Brougham.
Old 12-28-2016, 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyerInOKC
And a Ryan STA and possibly a Ryan Brougham.
I've made Ryan graphics for someone? All small stuff for the STA,

Guy bought two sets.

Charles
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Originally Posted by Avaiojet
I've made Ryan graphics for someone? All small stuff for the STA,

Guy bought two sets.

Charles

I had several sets made for the Ryan SC the toughest one was finding the serial number plate. Of the fourteen aircraft built only one still has the original serial number plate and I have a copy!
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Originally Posted by FlyerInOKC
I had several sets made for the Ryan SC the toughest one was finding the serial number plate. Of the fourteen aircraft built only one still has the original serial number plate and I have a copy!
Engraved I'm guessing?

Have you seen the restored Ryan that's painted white with blue and yellow trim?

CB
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Originally Posted by FlyerInOKC
And a Ryan STA and possibly a Ryan Brougham.
Ryan Brougham ???

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Hey Tom, ya got any new projects going?
I haven't followed any of the sites in the last year much.

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Originally Posted by TomCrump
Ryan Brougham ???

Graphics from Decal-It and Calle
Tom, you set a high bar with the quality of your Broughman!
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Originally Posted by Avaiojet
Engraved I'm guessing?

Have you seen the restored Ryan that's painted white with blue and yellow trim?

CB
I'm not sure which Ryan you are talking about, do you have a picture or a tail number? Here is a photo of the decals I had made from a photo of the actual 1938 plate minus all the wear. The original 1938 plate was well worn over the course of 75 years. The first photo is the Comet kit I blame for a decades long obsession with this airplane and model airplane addiction. I guess you never forget your first love or your first kit!

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I found the original plate photo here is all we had to work from to create the decals. It took some doing to get this photo the airplane now resides in OZ and she is a well kept mistress to her owner!

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Originally Posted by FlyerInOKC
I'm not sure which Ryan you are talking about, do you have a picture or a tail number? Here is a photo of the decals I had made from a photo of the actual 1938 plate minus all the wear. The original 1938 plate was well worn over the course of 75 years. The first photo is the Comet kit I blame for a decades long obsession with this airplane and model airplane addiction. I guess you never forget your first love or your first kit!

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Wow!

That's outstanding work, looks like etched aluminum.

What program did you use to create those fine decals?

Yes, you always remember your first plane.

CB

Oops, forgot the photo of the Ryan.

Here's a link to it. Makes you want to build a Ryan. I actually built one in the late 70's but never finished it. I'll see if I can find a photo.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...STA_Ranger.jpg

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I didn't make them Decal-it did my serial number plates along with several other sets of decals. He has retired and closed up shop so I don't have his services anymore. The last I heard from him, he was looking for a buyer for the business. In addition he owns Pink-it.com which sells pinking tape in assorted scale sizes which is still available but this business is also for sale.
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Is Decal-it in the UK?

I could have done that work in my program, but it would have been costly. lots of work there.

I run my graphics business differently. I'm a modeler first and I put in the time to contribute my model work with other modelers in Forums. I am a life long modeler.

If I can help a modeler with custom graphics for a scale project, that's a good thing.

My scale graphics have been on award winning models, including the NATS.

Gotta get it right!

I found that photo of the STA I scratch built years ago. I should have kept it.

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Great work on the plates...I bought Great Planes' STA, and recovered it with Stits light...I installed an OS 1.60 that nearly totally disappears inside the cowl. People loved that airplane...It has such a presence flying or sitting. Sold mine too for an outrageous offer. One day, I'll build an SC, possibly.
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[QUOTE=Avaiojet;12290334]Is Decal-it in the UK?
/QUOTE]

Nope, Gary is a fellow modeller out of Virginia. Tom Crump used his graphics as well.
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About graphics on Golden Era models.

First thing is the lettering on these aircraft, back then in real time, was "brush painted" by hand. They hired the local sign painter..

I know because I did brush lettering as a sign painter all my life. This must be taken into consideration when producing "correct" lettering and art logos on old aircraft, from whatever source you may have, generally B&W photos. Restored aircraft generally under go changes to graphics and lettering, generally.

In most cases on these Golden Era aircraft, you will see fonts that are "made up." Understandable because they are created by the" self taught" local sign guy. So you will see variations in characters. Common in the early days of hand lettering.

Just typing out a font in a PC graphics program, may not get the job done. All this depends on how correct the builder wants his model to be?

And, more importantly, the knowledge and ability the graphic designer has. and their ability to "see" correct lettering detail, is a key issue in the overall look.

I can always find graphics on models I would do differently.

Charles
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I know I did a lot of research with the Ryan SC-W and the graphics do vary a little depending on which airplane are modelling and the year the photograph was taken. I fought the serial number plate for the better part of a year determining what the 1937/38 plate actually looked like. As I mentioned before only one had the pre-war plate the rest have a reproduction or reissued plate in the post WWII design. It was a challenge to determine the correct lettering and marking on for the tail and determine what changes were made between the 1937 SC-M prototype and the 1938 production SC-W. The prototype was converted to the 1938 production model and back through the CAA certified process to get the certificate of airworthiness. I believe I am one of the few people that fully understand what the subtle as well as the not so subtle changes that were made. Back in 1938 some areas of the SC-W were built on customer specifications. The customer could specify instruments and their arrangement on the panel and I believe had some say on the upholstery of the cabin. Needless to say it leaves a lot of room for interpretation particularly when you start thinking about how individual owners would make upgrades over the 78 years these aircraft have existed. I had a semiretired architectural model maker create my IP and I think we did a pretty good job. If you look closely you will see a fuel gauge on the left side of the panel along with the fuel sight glass in the center of the panel hiding the fuel tank (above fuel switch panel). Ryan put in the sight glass on all Sports Cabins whether you added an electrical fuel gauge or not.


It would be easier to research this airplane today the San Diego Air & Space Museum now houses all the factory records and may factory photo from the Ryan Aeronautical Co. and have put some online.
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Please sign me up. My Stinson Gull Wing is about finished.
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Until now, I've had 'Callie' do my Scale nomenclature. I email her concise photos of the various lettering, and she photographically reproduces them, wear, peeling, and all...
One model I did had the Serial number and model number written onto the fuselage in magic marker...Just for the smiles, I had the lettering reproduced in graphics, and presented them to the the person restoring the Aircraft. chuckle...
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FlyerInOKC,

That IP is museum quality work. Outstanding!


There's an old saying in tennis, "Never change a winning game."

Same for any vendor that you may be satisfied with.

"Never change a winning vendor." Good advice actually.

The guy that made this IP has some serious serious talent.

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