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Memory Check, Kraft Signature Series prices

Old 04-15-2016, 08:20 AM
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Default Memory Check, Kraft Signature Series prices

Awhile back, I was discussing the old Kraft Signature Series radios with a friend but could not remember the prices over the time they were available. Could anyone refresh my memory what they cost? I know there were stick options, etc and any info about the pricing on the options would be helpful also. Thanks for any help provided!
Old 04-15-2016, 04:57 PM
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The were in the 1K$ range. One of our members had one and was so proud of it and it's cost.mhe brought it to the field to show it off and it went up in smoke in front of everyone. I switched to futaba right after that.
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Mine cost about $1200 in Canada in the early 80's. About 2.5 the cost of a Futaba radio at that time. It might have been cheaper in the US. It provided many years of service and is still serviseable with a change of batteries.
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Twin stick 79 series cost me $715 and as I recall I got mine at dealer cost...
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Twin stick 79 series cost me $715 and as I recall I got mine at dealer cost...
I bought a KP-5c used, from a club member, in 1983. What series would it have been? Still works fine. Thanks
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Could have been anything from the Bicentennial Series (76) on through the early to mid 80's. They made that basic radio for quite a few years. In many cases, the label on the front would tell you what year it came from.
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1968 - 1969 Gold Medal series. 1970 Series 70, 1971 Series 71 and so on through Series 80 then Mk. III, Mk. IV. http://www.rchalloffame.org/Manufact...aft/index.html
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Originally Posted by Michaelj2k View Post
1968 - 1969 Gold Medal series. 1970 Series 70, 1971 Series 71 and so on through Series 80 then Mk. III, Mk. IV. http://www.rchalloffame.org/Manufact...aft/index.html
"Thank you, thank you ver' much" I learned more about Kraft from your reference than ever before. Especially the history of the KP series. However, I did not see mention of the KP-5c that I have, just the KP-4 and later KP-6. I still have the KP-5c and it still works fine. Thought about converting it to 2.4GHz, but that seems a travesty. I also have an almost new Kraft K61, in box, but no muffler. It is an original, not the MECOA replica. Do you have any information on this engine? Thanks again.
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The Kraft .61 was built on spec from Fox based on conversations I had in the past with people who worked at Kraft way back when. CalOrr is converting older radios to 2.4 so long as they have a 9.6 TX pack 300$ per conversion and they will use Spectrum or JR DSM Rx's
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In 1975 I used ny income tax refund to purchased a Kraft 5 channel (Sport Series?) with receiver, battery pack, switch, and 4 KPS-9 servos. They guy had bought it new but never used it. I paid him $245 and thought is was a bargain.
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They made that 5 channel for quite a few years. I had a 1979 Signature model. When I think of what they cost vs. the features,,,,WOW
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Originally Posted by FlyerInOKC View Post
In 1975 I used ny income tax refund to purchased a Kraft 5 channel (Sport Series?) with receiver, battery pack, switch, and 4 KPS-9 servos. They guy had bought it new but never used it. I paid him $245 and thought is was a bargain.
Correction KPS10 servos, the 3 channel Heathkit I had used KPS-9 servos, big difference in size and weight.
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Yes indeed, the Signature series were $1K radios. They had more features than any other radio of their day, and the price tag also added to the prestige of owning one as well. Doug Spreng did great job designing them and Dave Herbert did a fantastic job building them. They were hand made, and the price reflected that.

KP-5C was a very common radio, and it had a twin, the PCS 5 channel. Both were the same radio, in different packaging. It is a very good radio to convert, and they were made in such large numbers that they are not all that valuable. Even so, they are a metal cased, made in USA Kraft, and can therefore withstand quite a bit of abuse.

There are several schools of thought on conversions, and prices vary widely due to that. If you want to retain the original features and not add anything other than 2.4 GHz capability with a new receiver, then the original encoder in the transmitter will be used. This requires a voltage regulator and possibly a pulse inverter to get the PPM signal pulses going in the right direction, and then adding in the 2.4 GHz module. Properly done, the radio can easily be returned to it's original condition as this is the least intrusive conversion that retains the radios original integrity.

The other option is to replace all the electronics with a microprocessor like the Arduino, and have a bunch of programmable features and memory, more like a modern radio. This is far more expensive to do, but nice if you need the features, like mixing, reversing, dual rates and expo. A complete replacement of the electronics and re-wiring makes this a very extensive retrofitting process which basically only retains the case and sticks as original components. For that reason, it is not recommended to do this on radios which have collectable value as it destroys their originality.

Since I have a Futaba 7UAF PCM 1024 radio, which is fully programmable, and because it takes a module that plugs into the back, I can use it with any of the newer 2.4 GHz plug in modules that use the same pin out. I use that radio if I need a bunch of features. On older original 1960s and early 70s radios, I just convert the RF section because it retains their originality and I don't wind up drilling a bunch of holes in the case for new switches and such, plus it's simpler and cheaper to do. I only fly the converted radios as a novelty so I don't bother investing tons of money making them work like a Tyranus.

A couple really great radios to consider updating to 2.4 GHz are the Ace Silver Seven, and the Micro-pro 8000. They have awesome joysticks and lots of features, made in USA, in a metal case. All that is needed therefore is to change the RF deck, which avoids an expensive retro fit and re-wire with a microprocessor based encoding system.

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My Kraft radio series 8 has a plug in module for channel 40 narrow band, is there a plug in module that will convert it to 2.4 GHz?
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As I mentioned, there are no pin compatible retrofit modules that are 2.4 GHz that will just drop right into your Kraft.
This is because your Kraft is so old that it pre-dated 2.4Ghz stuff by several decades. Nobody makes anything that will work on a Kraft without actually having to do some wiring modifications. Any of the current 2.4 GHz modules will need to be custom wired into your Kraft. This is mainly because the pin configurations for the modules are different, and the actual modules themselves are physically different sizes as well, so none of them will fit where the old module plugged in. I have seen an extender, which plugs in where the old Kraft module went, and then into it you can plug a Futaba FM or spread spectrum module. I can't recall who made that, but it was a long time ago.
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Cal Orr has a 2.4 module that will plug into the top of a Kraft transmitter. Check out,
http://www.calorr.com/kraft-2.4.html
I saw this item at his booth at the AMA convention Ontario in January
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Originally Posted by RCspectator View Post
Cal Orr has a 2.4 module that will plug into the top of a Kraft transmitter. Check out,
http://www.calorr.com/kraft-2.4.html
I saw this item at his booth at the AMA convention Ontario in January
Thanks for the link!
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Both my Signature Series radios, May 13, 1980 and October 31,1980, were a little under $1000.00 each. I purposely didn't get all the whistles and bells, both are on the 6 meter band and I still use them today.

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$1000 in 1976 is $4200 today!
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That is a good point. A pack of Wrigley's Spearmint gum was 5 cents back in the mid 1960s. So back then, $500 for the best full house proportional rig would be like $5K today? R/C was really expensive compared to what you get today for the money. The Kraft Signature Series, Orbit Elite, and the Specialist, all set the $iK standard for the mid 1970s top line radios.
Prior to the emergence of special encoders like the NE5044, and later microprocessor based electronics, these radios offered the most versatility of their era and were well worth the cost to those that could afford them.

I admire the beautiful hand wired craftsmanship in the Krafts, and Orbits, and the soldering, it was superb.

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You can't beat that old American made craftsmanship! Yesterday I went looking for a part for my Royal home carpet cleaner/extractor on to discover it was discontinued. I have had the thing at least 10 years, my kids and everyone else borrow it from time to time so it gets a workout. Except for loosing a waste water tank cap and replacing a filter screen once. this is the first real part I have needed. I called the mom & pop vacuum shop I bought it from and they told me yes the machine is discontinued but they had a used part for $25 (new it would have been $40). Speaking with the lady there I found this machine and all Royal products are still made in the USA and they are trying to keep it that way. I now know why my carpet cleaner has lasted so long and what brand my next vacuum cleaner will be.

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Since we all feel nostalgic for Kraft radios here I thought some of you might enjoy this link. I owned 3 of these with my first radio a Heathkit 3 channel.

http://aerofred.com/details.php?image_id=97136

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