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Berkeley Buccaneer B Special

Old 02-12-2003, 03:56 PM
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Trying to put together a Berkeley Buccaneer B Special from plans. Am at the fuselage now, and instructions say to add on the 3/32 by 3/16 stringers. However, there are no stringers shown on the plan beyond a singular top and bottom 3/16 square.

Any one know how many and what positions the stringers are? How many on top, bottom and side?


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Old 02-12-2003, 07:52 PM
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Default Berkeley Buccaneer B Special

My 66" Bucaneer (Beb Buckle kit) has flat sides and bottom and 5 stringers on the turtledeck.
Old 02-13-2003, 03:00 AM
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Default DONK:

You must have something different in your kit. States in the instructions of plan that the print-wood parts should be cemented in place, and then stringers carefully aligned, and notched into the top and bottom semi-circular fuselage parts. This leads me to believe stringers along both surfaces.


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Old 02-13-2003, 04:07 AM
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Default Berkeley Buccaneer B Special

Must be different planes. Mine is the Berkeley Buccaneer kitted in 1938. Don't have a pic in this computer to show you.
Old 02-13-2003, 02:30 PM
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Default Berkeley Buccaneer B Special

There appears to be several variations of the Buccaneer. Most have an elliptical cross section to the fuse. Perhaps the plans you have do not include the info for the cross sections, but you should be able to locate the stringers to produce approx ellipse.
Old 02-15-2003, 03:53 AM
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Default Berkeley Buccaneer B Special

I remember that my old Buccaneer B Special had stringers on the top side only - probably about five in number. Just for fun - here is a photo taken in 1946.
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Old 02-15-2003, 05:27 AM
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Default Berkeley Buccaneer B Special

The Buccaneer B Special has seven stringers on the top of the fuselage and five on the bottom. Bottom stringers run full length and top stringers run from the wing trailing edge to a shaped balsa block at the vertical fin. Of that I am sure since I am nearly finished building one from an original kit.

The B Special has an elliptical stabilizer and anti-stall slots in the wing. Other variants of the design may be different, certainly, the other Bucs had more usual tail feathers. The design takes a bit of thought to incorporate elevators and rudder surfaces for radio control but, it can be done.

I had a Buccaneer B Special in the early forties with a Forster 29 and it flew great in several free flight contests. Too good in fact, I lost it in Bethpage, Long Island.

This new one also has a Forster 29, but this one is a two speed version and, of course, radio control. All part of reliving the vintage days.

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To Art:

When you lost your airplane at Bethpage, was it at the Mirror Model Flying Fair in 1946? If so, I was there, and my brother lost one in the crowd of people, and never returned.
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ART S.....

You are correct.

Just received nearly a full set of parts FAX'd to me this morning from an original kit. As you mentioned, has seven stringers on top in a parabolic section, and five on the bottom in a semi-circular appearance.

Am doing the numbers at present on converting the tail feathers to radio. With that overhanging hoz-stab, it will no doubt look and fly unusual.

Planned installation for power is a Forster 29, but the later version.

What is appropriate for era wheels/tires? Don't want to stick on a pair of ol' Du-bro

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I think Trexler tires are needed on an old timer & you can still get new ones & the pump.>>>big max 1935
Old 02-16-2003, 12:29 AM
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Default Berkeley Buccaneer B Special

Jim,

Yes, it was at a Mirror meet though I don't quite remember whether in 46 or 47. Those were some events -- biggest model airplane meet in the world bar none. People who never saw one find the concept to be unbelievable. I still remember The Babcock's winning a full size airplane in speed at one of them. I doubt we will ever again see sponsorship of model aviation as was accorded by the New York Daily Mirror.

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Default Berkeley Buccaneer B Special

Coosbay....

I plan to use the old Dubro or a rounded set of light foam wheels. To give an antique appearance, one of the chrome "hole fillers" with little claws on the back can be modified and attached to the hub hiding the spokes. The appearance is somewhat that of the old Banner wheels.

I say "hole fillers" since I don't know the real term for them. They are used to give a hole that is unused in sheet metal a finished appearance.

Of course, the Trexler wheels, which are still available I am told, would be perfect for the project.

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You can make a nice appearing hub cap from the bottom of a aluminum can , drill an axle hole in it & ca it to wheel rim.
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Art: Here is a look at the cover of the program for the Mirror meet in 1946. This is the meet where Ernie Babcock won the full scale Ercoupe. Will need to do this in two posts. First - the program:
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And now - the Ercoupe:
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Finally: proof of the size of the model meet. 150000 people is quite a crowd of people. Explains why brother Bill lost a plane in the crowd - never to be seen again. That's me in the photo - black shirt - holding a Comet Interceptor in right hand, and a Comet Zipper in the other.

Those were good days.
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Old 02-16-2003, 01:24 AM
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Jim,

Marvelous stuff that brings back fond memories. Thanks for sharing.

Big max...

Great idea that I have not tried. I now will. Thank you.

Art
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I was thinking of some tires which moreover resembled Veco Streamlined ones. Simple smooth ones with aluminum hubcaps.


Is there a match today?


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CoosBayLumber: About the only ones would be Williams Bros. Kraft used to make some but very heavy ! Have an old original Goldberg Sailplane with streamlined balsa wheels, made in two halves & glued together cross grain ,brass grommet bushings & a glue skin where they run on ground, about 1/2 second!! A lot of the old girls used wooden ones.>>>>>>>>big max 1935>>>>>
Old 08-06-2003, 06:35 PM
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The B Special with a Forster 29 was my first gas powered plane. We were too far from free flight space so I converted it to ukie to learn how to fly. It lasted only a few flights. No one told me to take the wing incidence out! I still have the engine.

I would like a copy of the plans from someone to build a radio-assisted version. Anyone?
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As mentioned, the whole thing is available at Bob Holman plans. Go to www.bhplans.com and give him a message. He has parts and plans set up for radio already.


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Old 08-08-2003, 12:34 PM
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The Buccaneer special shown (uncovered) on the Bob Holman web page does not list the wing span. Can anyone tell me what it is?
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It has a 72 inch span, with near flat bottom airfoil.


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72" sounds like the C Special rather than the B. I recall the B Special having a 54" span.
Old 08-08-2003, 07:54 PM
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According to the SAM 600 model recognition page the C special was 72", The B Special 56', The Standard 66", the Super 90".

The site lists a number of other versions as well.

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