goatnick

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Here are a couple pictures I thought some might enjoy, I found this going down an alley in a
garabage can, I have a couple Air Trails from the 40's and best I can find it is a Class C
FF Made by Vani Mfg, Brooklyn NY,In one magazine in FF ad there was an all aluminun
plane called a Skyvail, Price 10.95, WS is 58',Anyone seen one of these or know of MFG,
Thanks for looking,
Bob

Stickbuilder

Bob,

Those look like Perfect brand wheels. Are they?

Bill, Waco Brother #1

gittarpikk

Wow goatnik

I have NEVER seen nor even heard of an all aluminum FF or even an RC, This , is a n extremely rare find!

w8ye

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A person found and gave me an aluminum Control line plane when I was a kid. It had a Enya 09 engine.

Hatzman

Bob,

Those look like Perfect brand wheels. Are they?

Bill, Waco Brother #1
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We used to call them "Grass Cutters"

w8ye

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They look like the old Perfect Speed Wheels?

goatnick

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I took a couple more pictures showing the wheels, I looked but no
marking on them.They are wooden centers and are thick in the center
and taper to outer edge,Notice slots in fuse, I guess that was for adjusting
CG.
Thanks for intrest,
Bob

w8ye

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The Perfect wheels I was around had aluminum hubs and the rubber was black

vintagemxr

I posted a link to this thread on the S.A.M list. So far at least one fellow says he's seen such a plane. Apparently rare though. You may have found yourself a real museum piece! I've put plenty of airplanes in the trash, never found a good one there though.

Doug

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It is a museum piece ... probably quite valuable to collectors.

I have seen two Skyvails in the past, one in Dick Sherman's Model Museum in Plymouth NH, the other in a more general museum in rural England

Quite a treasure to find

goatnick

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Forgot to mention,the wings still had about 30% of the covering on when I found it
Must have been some kind of tissue and dope covering,If you just touched it or blew
on it, it would disenegrate ,Must not have been in garabage to long,Looked but could find
no engine, The rubber wheels are still very pliable,
Bob

gittarpikk

My reccommendation would be to explore all the avenues you can to contact all the "ineterested" collectors after you have done all you can to document what the model is, history, who possibly owned it but never, put something like this on the fleecebay.This kind of "transferrance" of ownership will take time and really needs to end up at the right place/person.

It is the one of a lifetime find and you are very lucky and one would think it will probably be worth many, many bucks but to just "sling" it out there with no history or documentation, it may not bring that much.

Places like Craigs list etc will allow you to find interesting parties, contacting antique hobby collectors may expose more. Certain "high profile" auction companies are also a high dollar sales avenues ...here is an example..

Just recently a Colt "Elly" handgun (made only for the Texas Rangers) was sold at auction by some large , well known collector auction company. I know what normal "Ellys" are worth as I have one. This particular Elly was new in box and never used or fired. Seem Like I rememeber it some for $196,000.00 with the auction company receiving I think $100,000 or $20,000. Either /or, still a great return and I am sure the right collector got it....and it will be displayed correctly. A normal Elly might bring $2,500

So I suggest you take your time and do some thorough research as I feel there is some serious history behind that plane....

And please keep us posted ...as This is definately a rarity.

old git

I remember that there was an aluminium framed model for sale as a kit, probably in the 50s in UK.

It had a high wing and the structure was similar to a balsa model of the era but using I section beams.

The beams were held together by clips and it was powered by an I/C engine, too expensive.

I really would like to have the model you mention but could not possibly raise the funds it will certainly demand.

Be careful, I am certain it is very valuable.


WACO Brotherhood No. !4.

old git - - - - aka John L.

build light

the following link should provide those who have interest in this plane. You'll ned to scroll about two thirds down the page to get to it. A very interesting site. The plane is called the Metaline Skyvahl. Some really good pictures too.
http://www.collectair.com/kitannex2.html

A related thread is here: http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_31...tm.htm#3162671

Robert

goatnick

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Thanks to all who sent advice. info and links,Very much appreciated,It must have been short
lived, As in Air trails magazine in early 1946, Price was listed 23.75, The Air Trails that I have
is Dec, 46 and on Page 119 AD from Skyways Modelaircraft Inc. 426-6th Ave,Brooklyn NY.
States ; Good Buy 10.95, Skyvahl all aluminum FF. It would be hard to do any kind of research
on the plane as area where I found it has all been demolished,Maybe thats why it was thrown
out,
Thanks Bob

gittarpikk

always remember...



This model, either built or in kit form, is a museum piece. The AMA's National Model Aviation Museum ran the article shown below in its Cloud 9 newsletter for the Summer of 2008.




I found this on that page concerning this model...

Most of the older modelers in this forum knew it the second we laid our eyes on it..

Good luck as it looks like you now have a bit of documentation to work with..pleae, again keep us post if you will..

build light

I also found this picture and a notation about the last picture in this thread:
http://www.pulse-jets.com/phpbb3/vie...php?f=2&t=4785

Quote by dynajetjerry:
"the last picture shows Bill Tenney holding the BJ-4 amid several other D-J models including 2 semi-scale craft that employed the fuselage halves of an all metal FF gas airplane called the "Skyvahl." All the models excepting Jerry's were designed and built by Joe Fallo for Aeromarine."

It seems that the parts of the plane had some usage to at least a few people...

Robert

goatnick

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After opening the link bud light sent and reading article on the Skyvahl FF,I noticed an
different Wing spare location, You can see in mine the pictures show spar in between the aluminum front sheeting where as the article shows it in back of the aluminum sheeting,
Thinking they must have made a change,Would think the spar inside was later design
Bob