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Old 05-12-2006, 05:51 AM
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Is it really all its cracked upto be. I have the 3 speed myself. I bought the unassembled version so I could make alterations myself. Now I know its good to have knowledge on pulling your own car apart, but its becoming a joke when I have to dismantle it just to alter the shift point from 1st to 2nd gear. I cant just have it set at one point because when I change wheels and tyres for different surfaces or even the clutch type, the shift point needs altering. Now it was great with the Two speed because alterations can be made without dismantling the car. Personally I feel its drawbacks out way is benefits. I seem to pull it apart more than I drive it. I'm reverting back to the Two speed.
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I guess it depends more an what motor you run and how you run it(tuning). I have not had to tune my tranny any, now I run lo pro street tires, stockers, and Imex Swamp Dogs, when I run the Swamp tires, I lean out the motor some to get some more power. It'll just take a little lomger to catch 3rd.
Old 05-12-2006, 06:38 AM
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I've got a 3-speed in my as yet undriven Savage X. The solution to your problem is to get the X tranny case, then just dump all the internals from your old tranny case into it. Then, the top of the X case comes off without having to take the whole chassis apart, and that's how you can access the 1-2 shift point... An X case can't be too expensive.

Note 1: I haven't done this yet.

Note 2: Apparently this also means you can change the spur gear now without removing the engine... In theory anyway...
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Patrick is right,get the X case. It takes all of 10 min. to change both shift points and the spur gear,just by removing 6 screws and lifting the top of the case off. I've got 2 hard gallons through my X,and have yet to pull a chassis plate off since the day I installed the 3speed. That was on day 1.......
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Alright, cheers pal, I didn't know that was possible. I'll start hunting for one. I did have my setting close at one point but not quite where I wanted. So I altered the shift point for 1st to 2nd and by the time I could test the car, the weather had changed and I'd also fitted an aluminium clutch and I'd basically messed up the shift point and have not got it right. Its a ball ache dismantling just to change the shift point.
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My pardner was tired of tearing his 25 apart for this as well. So, I tweaked mine for his,swapped gear clusters,and had his adjusted for mine again in less than 30 min. Took 3 adjustments to get it dialed in.
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I'm going to swap to the X case here soon. I love my three speed, but that whole adjustment process is stupid.

As far as performance goes, I consider the three speed to be a requirement. If you were building a race only Savage and were planning on dropping the weight down into the 9 pound range then you could make a case for running the 2 speed, but under any other circumstance I can think of, the three speed is going to offer increased performance.
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Tower Hobbies sells just the [link=http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXMCZ9&P=Z]Tranny Case[/link] for $20.99. They are also on Ebay
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So the X transmission case will fit in an older Savage with out changing anything else?
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Looking on HPI web site at the Savage X it looks you will have to change more then just the transmission case. Has any one changed the case with out changing anything else or are we just guessing? I emailed HPI but it could be days before I hear back. I want a 3 speed but did not want the hassle of adjusting it.
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The site says it fits but does not say if you need additional parts to make the assembly complete or possible. All other HPI optional parts I've purchased have always included everything needed, so you're never left in limbo.

http://www.hpieurope.com/piw.php?lang=en&partNo=85052
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Yes HPI instructions for the most part are much better then most. I have 4 HPI vehicles so I firmly believe this. The only reason I question it is if you look at the X on HPI web site see how the chassis plates are at the transmission on the left side. There is a piece of the chassis missing on the X comparison to the original Savages. The only reason I ask is I would like to change to the X transmission case but want to know what all has to be done. If I can change with out to much problem then I would get a 3 speed. If any one does or has done this please let all know.
Thanks for the input.
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46u are you referring to the section I have circled
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X tranny case is a direct replacement for the 2 or 3 spd internals. This includes the reverse module (if you use it) and bolts right on non-X tvp frames.

Just transfer your internals...
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ORIGINAL: youie

OOps sorry, accidently sent picture of buggy.
46u are you referring to the section I have circled
Yes that is what I am talking about. bam.bam you have done the change or seen one that has been changed or are you guessing? I am not trying to start a flame I just trying to get at the facts.
Thanks all for the input.
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That area is probably complete. It appears the section is missing, but it appears that the roll bar base is sat on the TVP and is masking that area off.
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46u, I have this right now and been running this for weeks now.. I have a Savage SS and it fits like a glove...
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Thank you Bam. Bam, this seems to resolve the issue. Thanks all.
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ORIGINAL: bam.bam

46u, I have this right now and been running this for weeks now.. I have a Savage SS and it fits like a glove...
Thanks bam.bam that is all we need to know.
Thanks all for the great input!
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Your welcome. Good luck with the install.
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Savage X Quick access complete trans with brake ,shipped for $35.00.
I love ebay!
Thanks for this info fellas!
I hate pullin the engine for spurs!

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-SAVAGE-X-2-S...QQcmdZViewItem

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Bambam......I have a s25 and am looking at an X tranny too, but do I need to upgrade the brakes and spur gear stuff as well, just wondering if I can stick with the stock? thanks for help.
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I have 3speeds in both my Savage SS 4.6s and I have a hole in the case to adjust the 1st to 2nd, I do have to take it apart to set the 3rd shift point...dunno if that helps any hehe.
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burnchassis3, if you are replacing your spur with the same size, you good to go. However, if it's a different size, gear mesh adjustments is needed. Just loosen the motor mount bolts to get the right mesh and reitghten. Good catch on ebay!!

Mucko, no need to upgrade any parts unless you want to upgrade a few things since the tranny is apart. That's your call. All the stock parts work/fit into the X case.

Smokieflame, 2nd-3rd shift can be adjust from outside of the tranny case. The 1st-2nd shift is the one that you need to take the tranny apart...

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