I plan on competeing sometime in the near future so bieng 16 it's all fairly new to me. All I want is an airplane that will do everything I want it to do without giving a fuss. For example I'd like it to do the following: no wing rocking, straight and crisp knife edges, Mark Leseberg rolling or faster, half throttle hover or less and a high wing loading. Basically what I want is a plane that does what I tell it to do when I tell it to do.

Theres a twist! Being 16 I can't aford anything over 30%. So if theres a plane out there tell me about it because cannot find one! I looked at the WH's but the roll rate was unbelievable slow. Now I know these gassers can't take a quick rolling but what I need those ailerons for are the stalled manuevers. I plan on haveing a low rate that will roll a Mark Leseberg roll at high speed then a high rate for the stall menuevers to give me complete control as I need it, while leaving the airframe in tack.

I know this sounds outragious but it's what I need so can anyone help me?

With a CA 31% Extra you could make the ailerons as big as you want, they are not cut as you receive them.

This plane with a ZDZ 80 RV would have awesome power and could be made light enough for very good performance ($$$).

You prefer a high wing loading??

Anyway, the WH planes will roll fast, and who said gassers cant take a quick roll? What type of engine do you think Leseberg is using?

That said, the WH planes will do anything you want, as will the Chip Hyde CapX. Its all in the pilots hands.

Yeah John, I guess the WH planes I have flown must all be lemons! .. if 2 rolls per second is unbelieveably slow that is.

I agree with you - it is all in the hands of the pilot and even the way the plane is set up. I have snapped the WH Edge so hard I thought for sure I'de break the wing tube.. it took everything I could give it and more. On high rates rolls were so fast it was hard to control where they ended.

I have a CA 31% with a 3W-75i and its a monster at under 20 pounds.

Matt52X - you're looking in the right place and you have the attention of some good pilots.. but you are showing your age! You already seem to know everything and you are ready to fly the TOC before even owning your first big plane!

I was a teenager too.. and did the same thing you are doing - We all have learned the (expensive) hard way that we need to crawl before we can run. Share with us your experience level, what you fly now, who you fly with (level of experience) what you will be competing in (sounds like freestyle?) and most importantly how much you can afford to spend and we probably can point you in the direction you want to go.

As for saying you want a plane to do everything and do it well without fuss - well most of us have been flying for years and we still haven't found that so if you do let US know!!



DP

Hey thanks a lot guys. I'll fill you in. Two and a half years building, going on 2 years of flying. Next summer will be my 2nd summer. During the previous summer I was flying a ucd for the first 3d experience I got. Later that summer I recieved a laser 2000. I really wasn't that good as for experience goes but later that summer I noticed I wasn't flying anymore, it was more like floating around and using the rudder. Well, that changed the whole way I fly today. I got aero-fly and blew up, unfortanately my pockets can't afford my thumbs if u know what I mean. See thats why I would like the most rock steady plane I can get cause i got used to the areo-fly being winter and all.

So all I can tell you are the skills I posses on aero-fly. Well I fly everyday I can do anything out there that ive heard of. I even have some maneuvers I inventeed that I've never seen and I'm pretty sure no one else can do them either(just because the pros aren't doing them doesn't mean there not out there tho). Everythings crisp and low.

Uhmm, I enjoy flying IMAC and a freestyle that never stops but flows from one maneuver to the next and I plan on competing if not this year then next. I just recently watched a video called Ultimate 3-D with Chris Maier and didn't learn much that I already didn't know. My biggest problem is getting the right plane the first time that's why I'm skipping crawling and going straight to running.I get a lot of bad comments because of this but It's something I've got to accept.

Uhmm I'm missing some stuff I know so tell me what else you need and don't be afraid do bring the questions our why is this little cocky 16 year old even here because all I want to do is learn.

You know, I read the book the "Right Stuff" (saw the movie too). Doesn't make me an astronaut!!

aresti2004, I thought the same thing and then saw that you put it in words. If I could do everything that I can do on RF then I would be an AWESOME PILOT!

What budget?

I would love a big plane, but just can't figure a way to hide a close to $2000 plane from my wife!

I'm looking in the .90 to 1.20 size at either an Edge 540 or the EF Yak 54....

might be the way to go.......

MAtt,


i am in the somewhat same boat as you. i am 14, 2nd year flying, and can absalutely TEAR UP aerofly pro. this season, i am flying a carden aircraft 35% extra. i plan to never leave low rates unless i have to. it is goingto strictly be a imac plane. my personal opinion, would be to get something like the CA 31% extra, and get a smaller 40-60 sized funfly/bash/ who cares if you crash it plane to 3D with....this is just my opinion.....the funtana 40 looks like it could be a great little 3d plane....

Jeeez ... when I was your age my parents made me work for everything I got. At the rate I was paid I would have had to mow lawns, shovel driveways and do mundane chores for a decade to save up enough for a setup like that.

Man have the times changed...
DP

i have been saving up for this plane for over 2 years....i am a mobile DJ in columbus ohio, and make near 150$ a week doing school dances....im very proud to say, that the only thing my parents paid for on my plane was my engine...(3W 100 TOC)

That's pretty darn cool then! I was lucky to make $50 a week and that was doing hard labor.. Good for you!!

OK surprise me... you didn't build your Carden too did you!! ???

DP

I;m in the same boat. My parents don't pay for anything. I've got a job at menards delivering drywall, bail hay on off hours, and fix cars on the side just to make ends meet. I had a downfall called paintball. I was really good but that was it, I was so good I put to much money into it. So now i quit the paint and started the stocks so I'm busy all the time, o plus school. Wow do I fly airplanes[X(]? So a CA 31% I'll give it a look thanks and I'm glad theres more of me out there!

Now lets get some more ideas!

HAHA!!! How ironic. The name of our paintball team was called "Downfall"

Have you ever attempted all of these fancy manuevers with real plane other than a UCANDO and the simulator,,, They might seem easy and all and you might THINK you have gotten them down pat but get out and start cutting up and trying these low nonheard of manuevers with a 3000 dollar airplane and see how things go, I don't dismiss the thought of you being good, and young, I just turned 24 years old and I know I am good, but my right time will come, first off I can't afford a 35%er yet maybe in a couple of months, I just graduated college and am paying off some important bills, but right now I am practicing, practicing and more practice, just take you time and think things through, [sm=thumbup.gif]

haha...actually i DID build my carden. it wasnt built at my house, it was at another club members. i go over there every weekend, and work. A man named John Boyko (flew in the 04 XFC) supervises me. if i screw something up he lets me know and makes me fix it. Building it has bee n a great process, and all we have to do is get the hardpoints installed, and were in the covering stage..it came out PERFECT!!! from wingtip to tip of rudder. i was very pleased with that.

Awesome... OK maybe we will be seeing you at the Shootout in a few years. No doubt the young'uns dominated the radical moves category! I dig it!

DP

I sure am glade that there are some youngins like me out flying!! I am 20 years old and in the 3 or 4 clubs I go to in my area all there is are older people, that fly the same boreing trainers and glow powerd airplanes and they don't understand the 3d or imac stuff. I sure wish there were more people in my area that shared my interest and fire to become a better pilot like some of you! I have been flying off and on since I was 8 years old. I am a 4th generation rc pilot! Right now I have 3 planes, a 72" giles 300, an ace 4-120 84", and a profile! I really would like a new bigger airplane! I am even a part time Mechanical engineer at a company here in town while I am in school makeing 300 a week and still can't afford a bigger plane! But if I were you I would shot for the WH Edge or something along that route! They are relatively inexpensive and have many great reviews and a strong following! Not to mention great customer support from that I have heard. Another good company to check out would be TOC1.com. They have some good looking arf's with reasonable prices and a wide selection of sizes!

Thanks for the link Giles 300. I'm going to do some research and see if this plane is a better competitor then the WH I was going to get.

Does anyone know the quality and abilities of this plane and the Esprit 330 extra?

Matt,
So what was wrong with the Laser 2000 (Kangke I presume). Did you fly it? I have heard it can be a nice IMAC plane when set-up properly. It would seem that plane falls into your budget restrictions.

Tim

Well it did fall into my budget restricsions until it fell, I'll explain. I had it with a ST G2300 in it. I never got that engine runnuing perfect but it flew that plane around pretty well. Anyway, I flew that plane to a pretty good IMAC style but, the only problem was It couldn't do any extreme manuever because it would always snap EXTREMELY. Well I learned how to fly with the snap until picture time at our fields chilli fly Jan 1. I did a very low roll about 10ft off the ground I wanna say and when I got to the first rudder position it couldn't hold the plane as level as what I thought it could do. So, I rolled it under and gave it more than normal down elevator SNAP flips over to the other side so I pull the elevator up cause it snapped into a dive 5ft off the the ground SNAP BOOOOM! Explodes in a barb wired fence on one side of the street and, in peices, landed on the otherside. A man once told me "The greater the experience, the greater the crashes." Well he was right.

So that's why I don't fly that plane anymore and am lokin for one that has complete control in the air and doesn't snap or rock.


With thatt said here are the final three I am picking from(All will have a DA-50 in them):

WH Edge 540 27% 18lbs. / TOC Edge 540 30% 15-16lbs. / Planes Plus Extra 330 27%16-17lbs.

If you think there's one better I'd like to know but I don't plane on a kit build. If not, wich one do you think would be the best performer for my standards?

I know we got off subject a little bit but from the bit of silence I'm getting I think it's safe to say any three of these will be perfect?

Get an Edge, edges do the BEST 3D, and they can also fly IMAC very well. I have a 35% carden edge w\ a 3W 100, and I have it dialed in awesome, i will be competing in intermediate class this year in IMAC (SE Region). But I RARELY 3D my edge, waaaaaay toooooo much money!!! 2 weekends ago, i was just getting comfortable w\ my 33% Raven and I started doing things lower, and lower, and lower, until i was TRing about 10 ft up and gave full throttle to pull out, I held left ail to keep it rolling, then i slowly stuck both sticks in the top inner corners and it went into an inverted flatspin when the engine cut. I ended up straight and level about 10 ft high in the middle of the field with no airspeed and not enough runway, so I tried to bank and turn but it was useless, by the time i got turned around the plane stops flying, totaled the fuse (composite) it has soft spots everywhere.

The point of that story is, even if you know exactly what your doing, anything can happen, if ur TRing a 30% WH Edge and the engine cuts out, it will be totaled!!!! BTW, have you seen the video of Bill Hempels 50% edge crashing? The engine hesitated for like 2 seconds when he was in an inveted harrier and he couldnt save it.

Just do what funflyphil said about having a 40 size knock around, if 40 size is too small then go with a 90 size, if you cant afford a 90 size then you shouldnt be 3Ding it anyway!!! All of this is just my opinion.

Something you need to realize Matt.. is unless you've flown these airplanes you're talking about it's very hard to say they can't do what you want. Watching a video of someone else flying doesn't really tell you much. A great deal of how an airplane flies is the result of the pilot's setup and skill. A poor setup will make a great airplane feel like junk.

Setup is EVERYTHING!!!! If you want an awesome airplane like you were explaining, you have to have at LEAST a JR 8103, or w\e is equal to that w\ futaba.