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Guys


Obviously any of the IMAC pilots that have flown during the last several years are welcome....... no invite needed, to include B. Higgins, D Cox, B. Rogers, J, Fisher, J. Dillenger, R. Voldrich. T. Blose, W. Pitts, A. Smith, Can't forget the panhandle parody, Shawn, Clint, Cliff, Fred, Daniel, Rick.

Anyway just hoping to have a fun and educational weekend.

Eddie

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hey guys,
Ive updated the web page to show the date and rain date. Ive also added the link to download the workbook. I worked up a new page to show who the pilots and volunteers are, as soon as Eddies list and mine are updated to match I will add the names. Based on what Ive gotten and from what Eddie has told me, this is gonna be one heck of a good weekend. Also any one who is going to volunteer please send me an email from the events page so I can make sure I get you on the list of volunteers. Any pilot who is going to fly sportsman this year, this is also for you just not the new guys for basic. So sportsman flyers sign up and come out.
To the guys who will be volunteering, if you are planning on bringing your plane(s) be sure to put that in the email as well.
Jan cant get here too soon now, Im all excited about this.
Jarrod

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Jarrod, you have done a hell of a job putting this together... in less than a week, too.

Only problem is, you've jammed me and my pal up... we've got to hustle to get our feces consolidated so we don't look like complete rookies in January!:D

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Steve,
Heck I aint done much so to speak. I told Eddie about a boot camp the SE region was having and asked him why couldnt our region do one as well. he made a few calls and here we are. LOL Just for the record Im flying basic as well. Ive only flew once contest last year and had a blast. Cant wait for the new season to start.
Jarrod

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Eddie,

Are you guys going to show a list of local hotels to stay at? Or are we all staying at your place. lol

Rick

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Unless some new chains have built there, the Holiday Inn is the nicest of the three hotels. That is where I have always stayed.

Mount Pleasant is your basic small country town. Not many eating places, either. The up side is light traffic, and not far to go to get to the field.

Jarrod, are there any plans to line up a "host" hotel with reduced rates? Not making a hint, just asking before I make reservations.

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Man that's for sure! I've got to get crackin'!

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On second thought, I went ahead and made reservations. At least, I HOPE I made them. I spoke with Bonnie "Tenjewberrymuds" on the national reservation number...:eek:

The local number for the place is (903) 577-3800. I would try that one; you MIGHT get someone who speaks English.

Ninety-four bucks a night, double occupancy. Kind of steep for a town in the middle of nowhere...[X(]

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Im not sure about a host hotel, I can get with Eddie and find out if he wants to tackle it.I wouldnt have the first clue as to how to even go about it. LOL I live about 45 minutes south of Mt Pleasant, so I have no clue whats up there LOL.
I did go and fly 2 rounds of the sequence today, bit of a rough landing and I bent the LG on my extra and popped a stringer. Quick easy fix, hopefully gonna be flying it again Friday and the weekend weather permitting. I was getting blown out and had trouble keeping her in like I need to have it. Oh well thats what practice and the rudder are for LOL.
Jarrod

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Guys

On Friday after turkey day I will call around up there and see who will work with us for hotel pricing.


EDDIE

P.S. Don't worry on how you are flying, that is what this camp is for. If you fly something wrong in practice not knowing it, you will always fly it wrong. Hell I am having to learn the new intermediate sequence. I too hope to get pointers from Rick and Ryan. Bill Higgins sent me some great stuff to relay and help teach with it also.

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Jarrod, be sure and use low rates when you fly IMAC. Tom's directions as to the number of degrees of throw should be approx 13-14 degrees, rudder about 25-30 degrees and aileron as much as you like. Be sure and use expo on all control throws.

BTW Guys, I will bring my degree meters that Duane Cox designed and Don's Hobbies now sells. The degree meters are NOT the thingy with the clothes pin on it, they are much more accurate than that!!

Bobby

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Bobby,
You can't go wrong with the New Hanger 9 Digital deflection meter. You don't even have to have the plane level. You click it on tare/.zero then it measures throw within. .1 degree. It doubles ad an digital insidence meter.



Dan P

http://www.horizonhobby.com/Shop/ByC...?ProdID=HAN192

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Happy Thanksgiving everyone!! Hope your holiday is a good one.
MC

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Back to ya Jarrod. I already have the first course down, and have just unbutton my britches! Thinking bout' that punk'n pie and whipped cream as I type!! :D.

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Eddie or Jarrod can we bring a 5th wheel travel trailer to camp at the field? Would there be electricity? Being during january I wont use much electricity, but if there is none I can generate. Thanks Dylan

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Dylan

There is juice there but I don't remember seeing RV hook ups.



Eddie

p.s. there is a giant powerplant just across the lake :)

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Eddie,
What is the format for the bootcamp? Aresti training? Individual instruction? Evaluation? Judging practice?

Maby on the second day we can take turns flying our sequence while everbody else judges, then after each pilot finishes their flight we can have a group section to discuss 1. How everyone scored them and what they got points deducted for(judging practice), 2. give the pilot feedback on what they did good and what they need improvment on.

What ya think?

This is going to be an awsome experience. I practiced over 100 flights, but a lot of my manuevers I practeced doing it wrong over and over. In the IMAC's I competed in I learned a lot. I learned the most when a judge or some other pilot watching would take the time to give me feedback. It would be awsome to be able to fly then get immidiate feedback.

I learned through feedback that my uplines were too short, my sequence was too crowded together, and on the last IMAC I realized that I was rolling and spinning too fast.


Thanks

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Dan

So far I do have alot flying planned. Utilizing the volunteers, I plan to have some helping talk about and show how to trim a plane, throttle management during flight. I am working on a agenda that I am going to email Ryan and Rick and see if they like it or want to add to it. On Sunday I want to have like a mini contest so the absolute new guys know what to expect when they go to a real one. Maybe even a practice unknown for any sportsman pilot that wants to try. I am checking o motel stuff also over the weekend.


Eddie

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Hey Dan. I think you changed your prop after we talked about the short uplines and that allowed to go on up!!

Eddie, is their an enclosed clubhouse at the field? It would be nice to have and enclosed, warm, out of the wind place to hold the bootcamp sort of like we did at Ft. Worth back in February.

Bobby

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Bobby


There is no enclosed clubhouse. We might have to rough it a little. By the way as soon as I hear from everyone I will post the agenda on the ETAMS website.


Eddie

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How well does a new guy like me need to be able to fly the basic sequence before I get there? I'm working on it, just need to know how well I need to have it down.

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I wouldn't worry to much about having it down too much. As long as you understand what is going on.

To everyone that is coming, I would just make sure that your planes are in good working order. The usual stuff before you go fly. Batteries charge, prop tight, did I remember to glue the hinges in, J/K!!! I know I hate working on a plane at the field other then trimming the plane.

Above all is remember to have fun and try to learn has much as you can. I believe this is a great opportunity for our region to get new guys into the sport and to further the knowledge of the guys that are already in.

Rick

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Ditto on what Rick said;

Just check your planes and come ready to have some fun. I will have something posted on motels later today.

Eddie

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OK


Even though we are not a sanctioned event the Comfort Inn said they would give us a break. They normally charge $79.99+ tx ea night. They will give us a special rate $57.99+tx ea. night for either a single or two beds. Their phone number is (903) 577-7553. Make sure you let them know you are there for the 2006 Basic IMAC Bootcamp.

Eddie Bernaldez

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Ok heres a running list of who we having signed up at this point. If your name isnt on the list please email me at [email protected] so I can add you to the list, and now on to the list :D

Jarrod Carr Basic
Jim Spicer Basic
Shaun Russell Basic
Steve Cambell Basic
Dan Powell Basic
Tobe Hart Basic
Howard Stevens Basic
Dylan Forney Basic
Alan Clark Basic

Volunteers
Eddie Bernaldez
Rick Byrd
Bobby Folsom
Ryan Gonsoulin
Jonas Pharr
Bill Higgens via email
Keith McDonald
Dan Rathburn via email

If you did not see your name listed above please send me an email.
Jarrod

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Outstanding. Just got off the phone with Tricia, who fixed me right up.

Holiday Inn can keep their $95 room...:eek:

Thanks, Eddie. much appreciated.

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Hey....... I'm just starting to put this routine together. I want to be praticing what it should look like from the get go. Is there any chance that one of the volunteers might be able video tape themselves flying the routine so that we can get a idea of how it should look? It might get us rookies a step in the right direction. If we had a example of how it should look like "NOW". It might expedite the learning so that we can be better prepared when the boot camp comes around.
Any volunteers??;)
Shaun

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Looks like a lot of basic Pilots will be there this is awsome!

Can we use this thread to talk about some of the common mistakes that Basic Pilots Make(I have made all of them and still do). Here it a few that I can think of.


1. Flying in too close

2. Flying too fast

3. Rushing the sequence(short uplines)

4. Spinning too fast with too much aileron

5. rolling too fast

6. not centering the manuever on the line

7. Going in or out ie... not keeping the same distance for the whole sequence

8. straight and level



Did I miss any?

Can we discuss individually how to prevent these?



This should be helpful.

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Hey Dan, re: nomber 4 on the list. Don't use ailerons for a spin!!! If you do it's called "snapping into the spin" and you get a big fat zero!! It's a hard habit to break - I know because I used to do that as well. The others on your list are all good points and deserve discussion.

Bobby

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At the regionals I zeroed 4 out of 6 of my spins two for over rotation and two for forcing it.

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You don't ? Well heck......I have been using both rudder and ailerons.[:o]

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Myself included that will be a hard habit to break.

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Dont feel bad Dan, I zeroed everyone of my spins, all for over rotation. Eddies been helping me with the spin, and I think Ive gotten it down pretty close. At least I can get them to stop pretty close to where they need to. My biggest thing atm is the last few Ive done I get backwards and throw the wrong rudder input. Oh well, I jis need to practice some more. Looks like tuesday here is gonna be a nice day for flying, gonna try and spend as much time as I can at the field doing just that.
MC
PS Maybe I can get Eddie to fly it and I'll video tape it and then post it. I'll give him a call on it.

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That would be great Jarrod, thanks.
Shaun

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Can we use this thread to talk about some of the common mistakes that Basic Pilots Make(I have made all of them and still do). Here it a few that I can think of.

Here i will try to help:

1. Flying in too close --- To me this just an area were you fell comfortable with. The new guys seem to fly closer for some reason not sure why. Try moving out a bit a see how it looks.

2. Flying too fast --- Too fast goes back to flying to close. Everything is rushed because you are so close in. Don't forget to throttle back a little

3. Rushing the sequence(short uplines)--- This is just a matter of burning fuel and understanding the power window your plane has. I don't think basic has any upline rolls, but if a roll was involved start the roll sooner on the upline.

4. Spinning too fast with too much aileron --- try going to low rate aileron. My Extra won't even stay in a spin if I don't have a little aileron involved. Burn more fuel and don't be afraid to try something different. Over roation is tuff. The one thing I notice alot is the pilot letting go off the sticks were you think it will stop. Try flying the airplane to a stop.

5. rolling too fast --- ok on this if anyone has a deflection meter, Leave it alone once you get the overall setup in your plane. I.E. make sure elevators are pulling the same. Once the setup is done. Leave the meter at home. Not everyone is going to use 15 degrees of elevator. Use what is comfortable for you. Adjust your D/R to what you like, and don't be afraid to experiment.

6. not centering the manuever on the line--Burn fuel!!!!

7. Going in or out ie... not keeping the same distance for the whole sequence--- This one my dad taught me along time ago. I really struggled with this one in my early days of pattern. Start by making a trim pass were you want it, and them copy it for the whole flight. Up and down the flight path you have choose. it took me 2 full weeks to get were I could hold a line. So have patience with this one.

8. straight and level---Most pilots don't know when they are straight and level. The most common is the wingtip that is close to you is always down. Whether you are going up wind or down wind. Learn what your plane looks like wings level and go from there. Also remember that your wings are going to look different going acroos the top of the box.

I hope this helps, also everyone check there CG. Most guys think a tailheavey plane flys better. Try adding some nose weight and your plane will get a more locked in feel.

Rick

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This question was sent to me in an email, and honestly Im not sure what the correct answer would be.
From email: I replied with, I was worried about the same thing when I flew my first contest and a fellow flyer told me I wouldnt even notice the other plane in the air. Also you would have a caller with you whos main job is to make sure you are clear of other aircraft and vice versa, and to call the manuevers for you as you fly them.
As far as you has the"right of way" Im not even sure.
MC

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Well

Right of way Hmmmmmmmmm


It is the callers job to look for and visualize any potential problems. Rick can tell you at this years regionals somehow we were flying side by side when I had to do a snap. Well guess what .....I did the snap (actually looked cool behind Ricks plane) and kept going. If the collision is iminent the pilot or the caller hollers avoidance, then you re-enter the box and fly the manuever you were in or going to fly. It has happened where both caller and pilot believe the planes are on separate lines and WHAM they hit. One purpose of the bootcamp is to give you an idea of how to fly the sequence.



Eddie
p.s. Possibly Tuesday I will get with Jarrod and have him video the basic sequence. Remember the video will not give you spacial orientation.

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In 6 years of flying IMAC I have only seen one mid-air and I was calling for the Advanced pilot that got run in to. It was a basic pilot that came out of the eastern sun and none of us while the Advanced pilot was coming from the west could see the basic pilot's plane until it was too late.

You would be absolutely amazed how hard it is to actually try and hit another plane - the sky is huge and the odds are in your favor!! I do understand how you feel though because it took me a couple of seasons to get used to another plane in the air. Shoot, I still won't fly my IMAC plane at a normal fly-in because, even though I know where I'm going to be, the other pilots (up to 5 others sometimes) don't have a clue or plan where they are going or what they are going to do next and they are the ones that can run into you!!

More bothersome and worrisome to me was actually the fact that highly experienced judges are watching and judging my every move!! That is what really takes getting used too!!! Just ask Eddie!!


See you in Mt. Pleasant.


Bobby

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Bobby
I resemble yoyr comments. When others are sport flying , they are typically flying smaller planes and are hard to predict. When flying Imac the other plane in the air is typically much larger, and it is flying a predictable pattern. Typically an upper and a lower class pilot is flying at the same time, with two flightlines. An unlimited pilot burns up a lot of airspace with multiple maneuvers on the up and downlines they spend a lot of thme in the verticle, while the lower class pilots spend more time in the horozontal. I flew in a few Combat competitions, where there are 10 planes in the air at once with 30 foot streamers. Even in this seneario it is hard to cut the streamet much less have a mid air......As luck would have it I did suffer one mid Air. I was flying a 1/4 scale world models extra straight and level, when all of a sudden the left wing seperated from the fuseladge. There was a guy flying a small fase electric composit plane that was flying along straight and level when his plane dissapeared. After discussion of a few Bermuda Triangle theories we found a portion of his plane in my severed wing panel.

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Jarrod or Eddie, I have 1 maybe 2 buddies that may come to see what IMAC is all about. Should I sign them up as well? They probably wont fly.

Also do I have to have an in flight kill switch (i.e. optical kill switch). I have to methods for killing my model in flight , A. throttle cut , B. choke servo. I checked the rules and I didnt find anything on this subject, Thanks SD