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Old 03-08-2008, 03:23 PM
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ok i just set in front of my manual and radio for 2 1/2 hours and can't figure out how to get my flaps to work! Could some one help me and please explain what i need to do to make this happen? First i must mention its a 9303 jr heli radio, i do have the model in the radio set to airplane mode so everything areo related is there,hers my set up, 2 aileron servos 2 flap servos and 2 elevator servos, i set the radio to flaperon which makes my 2 aileron servos plug into two separate channels (aileron & aux1 channels). My 2 elevators are plug into 2 separate channels too (elevator & gear channel) i have one flap servo plugged into aux 2 which would be channel 7, but when i flip the flap switch nothing happens.i have flap activated under sys menu it should move, also should i y-harness the flaps or make them 2 separate channels too? thanks for any help here. btw I'm using a 9 channel jr receiver so it goes all the way up to aux 4 channel
Old 03-08-2008, 03:47 PM
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I know Danny doesn't like us posting on his space but in the interest of helping you out immediately, (during this weekend) here's a possible solution that was posted by Mike McConnville some time back.
It is for 2 ail's and 2 elev's, but it doesn't mention flaps though..so this may not be your ideal solution, but may get you onto the right direction. I have long held the belief that the manufacturers should publish the set-up for various specific configurations...much like a recipe book. Forget about trying to make us under stand how the damn thing works...that'll never happen and we all just remain confused and frustrated.
Good luck.


On set-up of models with 2 ail and 2 elev servos, I'd like to share the proper and fastest way to do this.

First, the rx connections:

1. right side elevator into ELEV channel
2. Left Side elevator into AUX 2 channel
3. Right Side aileron into AIL channel
4. Left side aileron into FLAP (AUX 1) channel
5. Rudder and Throttle into the normal channels

TX program

1. Go into the Set-up mode (hold down scroll and select keys while turning on tx)
2. scroll to the Input Select screen
3. Set Aux2 to INH, AUX2 TRIM to INH, FLAP to INH, FLAP TRIM to INH
This turns off both of these channels from the levers and switches. This is the proper way to do this, not using P-mixes or Travel adjust.
4. Scroll to Wing Type
5. Activate Flapperon

Elevator Set up
1. Power off tx and turn back on. Go to normal programming mode
2. Scroll to P-mix 6. Set ELEV as master and AUX2 as slave.
3. Scroll to Sub Trim and set the neutral for the right side elevator with ELEV channel and the neutral for the left side elevator with AUX2.
4. Scroll to Travel Adjust. Set the desired travel for the right side elevator with the ELEV adjustment.
5. Scroll back to P-Mix 6 and tweak the travel of the left side elevator to match the right side with the mix values, for each stick direction.

Aileron Set-up
1. Go to normal programming mode
2. Scroll to Sub Trim and set the neutral for the right side aileron with AILE channel and the neutral for the left side aileron with FLAP channel.
3. Scroll to Travel Adjust. Set the desired travel for the right side aileron with the AILE adjustment.
4. Set the travel of the left side aileron to match the right in both stick directions with the FLAP channel in Travel Adjust.

From here forward everything will work as if the elevator and ailerons were off of one channel. i.e. DR, expo, p-mixing for pitch or roll coupling.

Old 03-08-2008, 03:54 PM
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Here's another possibility configuration.
Dual Ailerons WITH Flaps - from Mike McConville, Horizon Hobby, posted on RCUniverse http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=5274494

First, the rx connections:

1. right side Aileron into AIL channel
2. Left side aileron into AUX 2 channel
3. Flap into Flap channel (AUX 1)
4. Rudder, elevator and Throttle into the normal channels

TX program

1. Go into the Set-up mode (hold down scroll and select keys while turning on tx)
2. Scroll to the Input Select screen
3. Set Aux2 to INH, AUX2 TRIM to INH, FLAP to SYSTEM (should be default) , FLAP TRIM to INH
This turns off AUX 2 channel from the lever.
4. Do NOT activate Flapperon in wing type. This must be OFF.

Aileron Set up
1. Power off tx and turn back on. Go to normal programming mode
2. Scroll to P-mix 6. Set AILE as master and AUX2 as slave. Set the mix values to 100% in both stick directions.
3. Scroll to Sub Trim and set the neutral for the right side aileron with AILE channel and the neutral for the left side aileron with AUX2. (if the direction of one or both of the ailerons is backwards, first go to the REVERSING SW screen and reverse the apropriate channel (either 2, 7 or both)
4. Scroll to Travel Adjust. Set the desired travel for the right side aileron with the AILE adjustment.
5. Scroll back to P-Mix 6 and tweak the travel of the left side aileron to match the right side with the mix values by increasing or decreasing from 100%, for each stick direction.

Flap Set-up
1. Go to normal programming mode
2. Scroll to Sub Trim and set the neutral for the flaps with FLAP channel.
3. Scroll to FLAP SYS. screen. Set the desired travel for each of the 3 Flap switch positions. You can also set any elevator compensation for each of the 3 flap positions here. (typically it would be 0 for the neutral position and then tweak in what is needed after you test fly for the mid and full flap positions.)

That should do it.
Old 03-08-2008, 07:27 PM
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I've said before on this forum that JR's manual is woefully weak. There is no reason that JR could not have given a description of each function the X9303 is capable of performing. The transmitter is very capable, but like any other very capable system, there should be descriptions of what it can do.
Old 03-08-2008, 07:38 PM
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Default RE: 9303 and flaps

The problem is that if they catered for every possible variation, the manual would need a wheelbarrow to carry it round in !

It is not an entry level system so an experienced user should be able to figure it out by trial and error. My colleague (who answers radio setup queries in the UK) will go and hook up servos to a receiver on a bench setup and test various options until he finds the easiest method.
Old 03-08-2008, 07:39 PM
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Capt Jim, I just looked at your links. I think the approach is similar. However, when I've tried to follow directions for the XP9303 or DX7 and apply them to the X9303, I have found the screens and options differ just enough to make the setup difficult. But you are to be commended for your "weekend" efforts.
Old 03-08-2008, 08:18 PM
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I also noticed in the manual it says i can use two diffrent channels for each of my flap servos, but i cant figure that out either, if i have a 9 channel jr reciver which is what i'm using here, why can't i mate a seprate flap servo to an empty channel, my receiver is throttle,elevator,rudder,ailerons,gear,aux1,aux2,a ux3 and aux4, ofcourse the first 4 channels are taken as is gear for my elevator, aux 1 is my other aileron, and aux 2 is now one of my flap servos, aux 3 or aux 4 can be my other flap servo, but i cant figure out how to mate aux 3 or 4 to flap, the reason i think i need it that way is cuase i need to reverse one servo on my flap who is going the wrong way, if i y-harness my flaps and reverse the servo then the other will be wrong. thanks again
Old 03-08-2008, 08:32 PM
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ORIGINAL: airbusdrvr

I've said before on this forum that JR's manual is woefully weak. There is no reason that JR could not have given a description of each function the X9303 is capable of performing. The transmitter is very capable, but like any other very capable system, there should be descriptions of what it can do.
As good or better than any other computer based system I've seen ---- including Microsoft's stuff.--------
As Mac Man stated there is no way you could cover all the possibilities and have anything you could physically move -----without mechanical help.

Now, lets say there was such a library available--------just how are you going to find the subject/combination you are searching for??-------another 'how to' book?

With the multitude of various combinations possible it is unlikely that all of them are known to any single individual. ----and that is no different than the microprocessor you are using to make these all inclusive comments ------- your home computer.

A basic road map; a web site to ask for help----both sponsored and unsponsored; an impressive list of XP9303 "how to's" ---- frankly that is more than you have available for your desktop/laptop. Surely you can get over the fact that the screens aren't exactly alike.

The rest of it very simply is up to the user. That's the way it works with computers of all kinds.

You have simply got to make the jump to computer radios as I think that is your stumbling block. And, don't kid yourself this is indeed a microprocessor based computer-----not a hobby toy.
Once you have a success you will be ripe for more successes and------you will begin to learn just how the logic works for that radio. Move to another radio, or on a home computer system to a new operating system/program and you start anew.

It is not going to change to your way of thinking ---- you are going to have to change to its way of "thinking'.

What you are searching for does not exist-------so you might as well stop looking as the time you are spending would be more productive if you started to read the instructions/articles and started doing. It will all come together before you know it and there are different ways to do each task----one way is simply "better" ------you (we all) have to find it.

Exactly like the computer you are using to access this web site.

Learn by doing and thinking your way through it-------that is what we all have to do, together with occasional calls for help.

Sorry there is no other way!


Old 03-08-2008, 10:17 PM
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ORIGINAL: onewasp


ORIGINAL: airbusdrvr

I've said before on this forum that JR's manual is woefully weak. There is no reason that JR could not have given a description of each function the X9303 is capable of performing. The transmitter is very capable, but like any other very capable system, there should be descriptions of what it can do.
As good or better than any other computer based system I've seen ---- including Microsoft's stuff.--------
As Mac Man stated there is no way you could cover all the possibilities and have anything you could physically move -----without mechanical help.

Now, lets say there was such a library available--------just how are you going to find the subject/combination you are searching for??-------another 'how to' book?

With the multitude of various combinations possible it is unlikely that all of them are known to any single individual. ----and that is no different than the microprocessor you are using to make these all inclusive comments ------- your home computer.

A basic road map; a web site to ask for help----both sponsored and unsponsored; an impressive list of XP9303 "how to's" ---- frankly that is more than you have available for your desktop/laptop. Surely you can get over the fact that the screens aren't exactly alike.

The rest of it very simply is up to the user. That's the way it works with computers of all kinds.

You have simply got to make the jump to computer radios as I think that is your stumbling block. And, don't kid yourself this is indeed a microprocessor based computer-----not a hobby toy.
Once you have a success you will be ripe for more successes and------you will begin to learn just how the logic works for that radio. Move to another radio, or on a home computer system to a new operating system/program and you start anew.

It is not going to change to your way of thinking ---- you are going to have to change to its way of "thinking'.

What you are searching for does not exist-------so you might as well stop looking as the time you are spending would be more productive if you started to read the instructions/articles and started doing. It will all come together before you know it and there are different ways to do each task----one way is simply "better" ------you (we all) have to find it.

Exactly like the computer you are using to access this web site.

Learn by doing and thinking your way through it-------that is what we all have to do, together with occasional calls for help.

Sorry there is no other way!


wow your post was a waste of space on this topic! its obvious you have no idea how computer base radios work much less the 9303. I happen to find the exact answers to all my questions in this post from forums posted by Mike McConville. My set up is complete and works fine.please don't post comments like yours when people are asking for help and we all knew the answers where out there, you tried to cut my topic short by saying "What you are searching for does not exist-------so you might as well stop looking as the time you are spending would be more productive if you started to read the instructions/articles and started doing" when in fact it dose exist it it was done! you should make sure before you try helping someone that your 100% positive of your answers, I'm going to post exactly what was done so others will know including you
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I and several others, all but me are experienced JR users, at my club have bought the X9303. None of us believe JR supplies a good manual for the transmitter. We muddle through set ups that require more than the basic setup examples given in the manual. My only point is that this transmitter is very capable and it is unfortunate that the manufacturer has not supplied a manual that describes these capabilities. Computer systems have these type books. Below are photos of a 650 plus page book with step by step intructions(with screen shots) for hundreds of tasks for your computer. And I am unaware of any new pilot sitting down in that airplane cockpit and being told "this is how you start it, here is how you talk on radio, you can figure the out the rest as you muddle along." airbusdrvr and others will just have to continue as solarviper stated in his first post in this thread, "ok, I just set in front of my manual and radio for 2 1/2 hours and can't figure out how to get my flaps to work."
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Old 03-09-2008, 02:04 AM
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"My only point is that this transmitter is very capable and it is unfortunate that the manufacturer has not supplied a manual that describes these capabilities" I learned that Horizion Hobby has a very very technical break down of every function of the 9303 in PDF's on there support page, it seems to go threw every single thing the radio can offer with pictures and examples.So yes JR dose have a manual(s) that dose detail every function and scenario you could want a radio to do, it even went into setting up a plane with 4 engines, dual flaps, dual ailerons, and dual elevator servos including using 4 separate servos for 4 separate throttles all together WOW ! it explains how to mate any channel with any switch or vis versa, yes the PDF files have a lot of pages and thats why the manual supplied was not as detailed, but its just as easy to open the pdf's and read right from your pc desk or even print them if you have alot of ink and paper, it looked like if you where to combine the pdf's with the manual that came with the radio, its about 250 pages, The 9303 is in every way capable of doing nearly anything you could ever want it to on a RC airplane of any type. Now I'm really impressed with my 9303.
Old 03-09-2008, 06:48 AM
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solarviper, could you supply the link for the info you referred to above? The last time I searched the site, a couple of months ago, I only found about 12 pages of sailplane setup and several examples of different airplanes. These were all for the XP9303-not X9303. I would be interested in seeing what Horizon has added or what I missed. Thanks
Old 03-09-2008, 11:12 AM
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http://www.horizonhobby.com/ProdInfo...241-manual.pdf

http://www.horizonhobby.com/ProdInfo...scriptions.pdf

http://www.horizonhobby.com/ProdInfo...X_EXAMPLES.pdf

http://www.horizonhobby.com/ProdInfo...el_Setup_1.pdf

http://www.horizonhobby.com/ProdInfo...el_Setup_2.pdf

http://www.horizonhobby.com/ProdInfo/Files/p51setup.pdf -------------------------------------> this was the link i found to set up my cessna the exact way i was describing
above and everything works perfect now

http://www.horizonhobby.com/ProdInfo...rogramming.pdf

http://www.horizonhobby.com/ProdInfo...AddendumHR.pdf

There is 2 more PDF's that where hard to find that where the 2 most detailed, i'll post them here too later in the day as I cant find them at the moment and need to go
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airbusdrvr


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http://www.horizonhobby.com/ProdInfo...241-manual.pdf

http://www.horizonhobby.com/ProdInfo...scriptions.pdf

http://www.horizonhobby.com/ProdInfo...X_EXAMPLES.pdf

http://www.horizonhobby.com/ProdInfo...el_Setup_1.pdf

http://www.horizonhobby.com/ProdInfo...el_Setup_2.pdf

http://www.horizonhobby.com/ProdInfo/Files/p51setup.pdf -------------------------------------> this was the link i found to set up my cessna the exact way i was describing
above and everything works perfect now

http://www.horizonhobby.com/ProdInfo...rogramming.pdf

http://www.horizonhobby.com/ProdInfo...AddendumHR.pdf
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Strange how the rest of us 'get it'.


BTW 650 pages on Vista or XP Pro doesn't BEGIN to give the the whole story----at all------at 650 pages it couldn't even be the index.

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