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Old 03-21-2014, 11:35 AM
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mnem, what you are looking for is simple being a stabilization unit will always require flight adjustments for the very reason you mentioned, cg, wing incidence, thrust, etc. What I do, and has worked well so far, is set the fuse on the table, raise the tail to level flight (level placed on the stab), set level flight at this point. It may need slight adjustments hereafter but those can only be made after flying, and it will fly well at this setting with minor trim adjustments.
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Ahhh... okay.

The plane of the horiz stab was what I tried to use with my Dynam Pitts build, but I was fighting issues with warpage due to well-known issues with the kit. Bottom line, it's nearly impossible to buy one with straight tailfeathers. I eventually wound up putting a bullseye level on each side of the horiz stab and one on a piece of flat lexan across the flat plane of the battery hatch in the nose. When I split the difference with the tail bubbles, the one in the battery compartment was dead-on, so I went with that. We'll see how it flies when I can get my buddy Brook to take it up and help me trim it out.

With this one there's no evidence of that kind of warpage; I just wanted to make sure there wasn't some magic "golden rule" that I as an ignorant stick-banger didn't know about.

Thanks for your help!


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Just out of curiosity, whats this Ardu Pilot all about?... a fair guess I'm assuming some sort of recovery auto pilot thing-a-ma-jig.

I've been toying with the idea of using a recovery parachute that gets deployed when the radio goes into fail-safe... but I've thought about it so long now, someone else probably has already done it.



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I've been thinking about that as well. A parachute recovery on fail-safe or on a channel, although I guess one could just shut off the Tx to cause a deployment. The trick would be retrofitting it to an existing plane, or even designing it into a new build as well. Hmmm...
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Originally Posted by Cub Flyer Fresno View Post
I've been thinking about that as well. A parachute recovery on fail-safe or on a channel, although I guess one could just shut off the Tx to cause a deployment. The trick would be retrofitting it to an existing plane, or even designing it into a new build as well. Hmmm...
For the kinds of crashes that typically take my planes out, a ballistic parachute would be needed. A low level OOC event would not leave enough time for a conventional 'chute to open. BTW, the first target drones for the Army used chutes activated by turning off the RC signal, as landing the drones was not really an option. This chute deployment was usually a planned event.
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ArduPilot is an open source Arduino-based Flight Controller that has been in continuous development for about 6 years. The folks who started DJI started out there. It supports flight stabilization, vector-management and RTL superior to ParkZone's SAFE hardware, as well as fully autonomous flight in pretty much any form of multirotor, fixed and rotary wing aircraft, as well as boats and ground vehicles.

At this point, the GUI is advanced enough that even a programming-defective hack like me can figure out how to use it.

My main intent is to use it as a "SAFE" equipped plane with emergency RTL. A trainer.

I plan to fly it after I use up my similarly built and equipped Bixler, which I am also building now.


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Old 03-21-2014, 06:34 PM
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bwoofter COOL plane!! I know a couple guys that are gathering parts to build one in full scale.
Old 03-21-2014, 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by mnemennth View Post
ArduPilot is an open source Arduino-based Flight Controller that has been in continuous development for about 6 years. The folks who started DJI started out there. It supports flight stabilization, vector-management and RTL superior to ParkZone's SAFE hardware, as well as fully autonomous flight in pretty much any form of multirotor, fixed and rotary wing aircraft, as well as boats and ground vehicles.At this point, the GUI is advanced enough that even a programming-defective hack like me can figure out how to use it.My main intent is to use it as a "SAFE" equipped plane with emergency RTL. A trainer.I plan to fly it after I use up my similarly built and equipped Bixler, which I am also building now.mnem*ZZZzzzZZZzzzZZZzzz*
Neat-o, sounds like fun stuff.

One of our local Universities comes to our field on occasion to test something very similar (fully autonomous flight control system), but I think they're trying to get theirs to land on its own... they need to come up with a mobile ILS system that can be place on the runway so it can lock onto the glide slope; then we'll need ATC, just to wave off the heavies lol... if they could come up with a system the could land an RC plane, and do it reliably at a reasonable price, that would be the ultimate fail-safe / recovery.


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Old 03-22-2014, 03:57 PM
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I have never posted in this forum before, but I was having a look through the forums tonight and found this, and I had to write. I just don't know how I missed this, I would love to join the Cub Brotherhood, at the moment I have three cubs One ARF 40 size and two electric one 52 inch wing span and my own design super cub for the park of only 36 inches. Last year I spent most of my modelling budget on designing and building CNC router. I have four other plans for cubs One Semi-scale super cub a 1/5 scale L4 and the last two are 1/4 scale one J3 and the other a PA11, So this year I hope to get cracking on building the Pa11 model from the plans and the semi-scale for the son in law. My wife wonder why I keep on buying the same model plans just in different sizes, But I'm just a Cub nut. Mike.

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Originally Posted by Bush Flyer View Post
I have never posted in this forum before, but I was having a look through the forums tonight and found this, and I had to write. I just don't know how I missed this, I would love to join the Cub Brotherhood, at the moment I have three cubs One ARF 40 size and two electric one 52 inch wing span and my own design super cub for the park of only 36 inches. Last year I spent most of my modelling budget on designing and building CNC router. I have four other plans for cubs One Semi-scale super cub a 1/5 scale L4 and the last two are 1/4 scale one J3 and the other a PA11, So this year I hope to get cracking on building the Pa11 model from the plans and the semi-scale for the son in law. My wife wonder why I keep on buying the same model plans just in different sizes, But I'm just a Cub nut. Mike.
If you are truly a Cub nut you have got to treat yourself to a set of Cubman's plans. Nothing comes close to the scale and detail that his plans are and have. http://thecubden.org/
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Whew, think of the aft CG that the full scale pilot had to contend with, with a litter in the back of that Air Ambulance... Great idea though.

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Bush Flyer I added you as #222 to the list above.
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Originally Posted by John_M_ View Post
Neat-o, sounds like fun stuff.

One of our local Universities comes to our field on occasion to test something very similar (fully autonomous flight control system), but I think they're trying to get theirs to land on its own... they need to come up with a mobile ILS system that can be place on the runway so it can lock onto the glide slope; then we'll need ATC, just to wave off the heavies lol... if they could come up with a system the could land an RC plane, and do it reliably at a reasonable price, that would be the ultimate fail-safe / recovery.


John M,
Yeah, there's a LOT of variables involved in that. As we say in the Telecom business; "The last hundred yards is what kills you."

I've developed a bad habit of NOT staying "3 mistakes high" because by the time I get there, I'm only a few moments away from being so far away that orientation is a problem for me and my old eyes. I either get disoriented and start flying the wrong way, or don't realize I'm inverted, or get my bearings wrong re: Nose-in/Nose-out, etc and the ground rushes up faster than I can figure it out.

I'm hoping that by hitting it with the scattergun approach... by building a big, yellow plane I can actually see that can pretty close to fly itself (knock on balsa) that I can get a little closer to my goal of "one more successful landing". Because so far, there's been just the one... and I wasn't even there for it. I call it my Jigsaw Cub because it's been pieced together so many times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4siKf-MBHXA "Learning to fly; tongue-tied & twisted, just an earth-bound misfit, I.

Unfortunately, lots of Jello when I'm walking due to the floppy brim on my Walkabout Hat. Not too bad once I plant my feet & start crashing... err, flying the plane This is my last Wednesday in San Antonio; so no more chances to play hookey and steal a couple hours with the guys.

I was getting the Jigsaw Cub trimmed out when I lost sight of it behind a tree; killed throttle & went out to pick up the pieces, but as I approached, saw it sitting in the driveway, just waiting for me so I restarted the video.

Figures - my first successful landing, and I wasn't even there for it!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMr_L30CvmI If you have patience for REALLY boring flight videos that are mostly of a plane that's just a speck or worse before getting lost, here's the 5 minutes leading UP to that:

Thank Ifni for my buddy Brook; he's stopped me from giving up forever more times than I can count. And he's saved my plane more times too.


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Nice little park flyer you have there; looks like a lot of fun... kinda reminds me of my 1/2A days... I remember loosing one in the sun glare... I could hear it but lost sight of it... I just kept the stick pulled back doing loop after loop hoping she wouldn't run out of fuel until I got sight of it again.

The bigger ones fly a lot more stable, especially the 1/5, 1/4, 1/3 scale, you'll be amazed at the difference... only thing is they're not as forgiving in situations such as in your first video; you would be walking up to a pile of wood... my eyes aren't that great either, so the next cub will be 1/3 scale, if I can't see that a quarter mile away, then I should be using a walking cane.


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Yeah, it's the cheapo foamie from HK; colors don't match, decals looked so bad I threw 'em away, and the little dark green sticker on there is off one of my son's Lego kits. He stuck it on while I wasn't looking, so I left it on there for luck. I figure by now it weighs twice as much in glue and bamboo BBQ skewers. That still ain't a lot.

But I've gotten my money out of it for sure, it doesn't owe me a cent; That and my Champ. I think maybe I need to take a detour and patch that old beast up...


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Just keep at it mnem, you'll be doing perfect three point landings in no time.
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looks like the guys flying quads are way ahead of you guys. they can turn the radio off and their quad comes back to them and lands and does the same thing if they get a low battery. I no they are using a GPS tied into some other things.
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A typical autoland system consists of an ILS (integrated glideslope receiver, localizer receiver, and perhaps GPS receiver as well) radio to receive the localizer and glideslope signals.
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John M, I've been back since last Wednesday. tried to post thursday and lost the thread during the post and just forgot about it. Computer is a putz! I have been on an aspirin regiment for several years as you suggested. I am on ten different meds since the heart attacks. Doing cartio rehab three times a week too.
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Flying in a cemetery isn't that tempting fate?!
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John M, I've been back since last Wednesday. tried to post thursday and lost the thread during the post and just forgot about it. Computer is a putz! bird.
Ok Bird... thanks for trying...I pictured it in my minds eye and its a beauty... I hope my 1/4 cub comes out decent; been a little side tracked the last few weeks, my inlaw was called away for work, so I've been doing little bits here and there... the door & window reinforcement is coming along, he / we are still pondering a few things before we set it in concrete ( epoxy )... it really needs the 3 piece wing mod, and gluing the center section permanently as part of the fuselage would really bond everything together, so we maybe ordering a wing kit, as well as Cub Mans aileron plans.

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Flying in a cemetery isn't that tempting fate?!
I was thinking the same but decided to leave well enough alone, lol... but since you brought it up... while I was watching his first video, and he was exclaiming "no wwwway" "no wwway" as he was weaving in and out of the tomb stones... I thought to myself, wheres the flying field in the middle of the cemetery??... someones been resurrected ???... it was quite the entrance to what became the obvious.



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Thanks, Steve. I keep trying. If I can learn this, the real thing may not be far behind...

box car - The Ardupilot is the SAME board; it can be configured for ANY type of vehicle, including quads. Auto-Landing is a LOT easier when you have VTOL capability. On a fixed-wing, the intent is to "Return To Launch" if it gets too far away for you to see orientation, or if you get disoriented yourself, not to land it for you. This is still great; if it gets close enough to the right course, you can just feather throttle until it parks itself like the HobbyKing T1000FC video:

http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store...trSearch=t1000

(Click on the "Watch The Daily" link on the product page)

I'm just looking for something to keep my "D'OH!" moments from being quite so terminal for my planes; I do expect to fly most of the time and land it by myself, I'm not THAT inept.

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Flying in a cemetery isn't that tempting fate?!
Actually, not flying in the Cemetery; only crashing. The cemetery is what was on the other side of the tree I lost it behind. EXACTLY the sort of CDE that having RTL could save my plane from.



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Flying in a cemetery isn't that tempting fate?!
Only if you are superstitious brother! Superstitions control only those that believe them. The scriptures say that the living are conscious that they will die but the dead are conscious of nothing at all. And fate? There is no such thing! You make your life what it is by your choices. Sorry!
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It not superstition is all those blasted monuments you can hit! And they like airplane eating trees in those cemeteries too! It's almost as bad as trying to use a prairie grass field for take offs and landings.

Off topic: I remember the first time I visited my wife's family in Queens and the wife took me over to see Harry Houdini grave. Being from Oklahoma and having lived in several Southwestern states I had never seen a cemetery that size! And the headstones and monuments were really cool to see! I got a kick out of the cemetery beside the road to New Orleans from the airport too. Cemeteries are really interesting from an artistic view.

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