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Old 12-05-2022, 09:50 PM
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I'm 80 and getting back into the hobby. I too have poor flight results, but I am determined since I have time to become a better pilot and fly my creations, and re- creations
Old 12-05-2022, 10:09 PM
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For older less skillful pilots, I'd recommend a vintage/old timer model. If properly built and set up, they virtually fly themselves.
Old 12-06-2022, 06:53 AM
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When I got into R/C airplanes in the 80's, people would spend all winter building something. When spring came they would show up at the field. "Bill's putting the first flight on his Pica Duelist twin". We'd all get around and watch. Bill would be a little bit nervous cause he spent time crafting it. Bill had skin in the game and it was his choice of colors and features and his heart in the airplane. Weather the flight was good or bad, it was fun. Today someone brings a new ARF. They take off, crash it go get another. No body even bothers watching. Many of them fly more like toys instead of airplanes.
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Old 12-06-2022, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by David John Davis
For older less skillful pilots, I'd recommend a vintage/old timer model. If properly built and set up, they virtually fly themselves.
If you want to build then build if you want to fly then buy, there are trainer type of aircraft available that do fly themselves if you so choose, they also come with safety and Three levels of aerobatic capability.


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When I got into R/C airplanes in the 80's, people would spend all winter building something. When spring came they would show up at the field. "Bill's putting the first flight on his Pica Duelist twin". We'd all get around and watch. Bill would be a little bit nervous cause he spent time crafting it. Bill had skin in the game and it was his choice of colors and features and his heart in the airplane. Weather the flight was good or bad, it was fun. Today someone brings a new ARF. They take off, crash it go get another. No body even bothers watching. Many of them fly more like toys instead of airplanes.
I started building control line and free flight in 1963 and am still building today, I also fly with a group of guys like me that build and fly ARFs, they rarely crash but like us all it happens from time to time, if they fly like toys thatís a good thing because they all are toys!
I see no good point in running another down because of his or hers choice of interest in our hobby/sport.

Bob
Old 12-06-2022, 12:20 PM
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I wasn't running anyone down. I was expressing the points of interest!
Old 12-06-2022, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by gow589
I wasn't running anyone down. I was expressing the points of interest!
Oh yah, they are most likely practicing 3D and you stated they fly like toys instead of norma, what exactly is normal, flying in circles, if so that is completely fine as well.

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Old 12-07-2022, 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by sensei
Oh yah, they are most likely practicing 3D and you stated they fly like toys instead of norma, what exactly is normal, flying in circles, if so that is completely fine as well.

Bob
I am amused and amazed by your thin skin. I do not need or seek your approval. If you don't like nor empathize with my perspective . . . I don't care.
Old 12-07-2022, 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by gow589
I am amused and amazed by your thin skin. I do not need or seek your approval. If you don't like nor empathize with my perspective . . . I don't care.
Iím not thin skinned, you are just angry that I called you out on your less than useful post!
Iíve just read so many post by elitist types as your self that itís old, do you realize those ARFs are in large for folks that canít build and those that shouldnít build if you know what I mean, and they have brought a lot of new young and old people in helping keeping it all alive.

Bob
Old 12-07-2022, 07:26 AM
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I like to build. But I am really looking forward to the foamy Air Tractor I'm getting for X-mas.
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Old 12-07-2022, 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom Nied
I like to build. But I am really looking forward to the foamy Air Tractor I'm getting for X-mas.
I had a little foam Graupner JU-52, they can be fun as long as they last.
Old 12-08-2022, 05:44 PM
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Just when I thought I found an area in life where some valuable discussion and can occur - up jump a couple of third grade minds in older bodies.
Old 12-08-2022, 08:37 PM
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Oh OK thanks Airjockey42, Glad to hear you are amused.
Old 12-09-2022, 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Rich M.
Hey Sensei. Rich Mowery here. Had the buddy with the 540 Carden Edge of yours that had the 200 in plane. You hit it right on the head as always bob.
I have a custom build I saved a buddy on a 40% Carden 300. Thread was started by Crash & Burn Flying Giants. I did some crazy mods to that plane.
Time has flew by for us Bob. If only people new the builder you are/Have done in time.
Yes WE are still out here. I happen to be building an old Yellow Aircraft P-47D razor back now at the time. (Well us builders call Assemble)..
Also Have a Dalton 100cc Extra 260 Build on the table with the fuse almost done. I'm so old now Bob, I fart Balsa dust.
As I say now days Lo & Slow. Little bit here and there. Plane is done.
Hey Rich,

I hope you are doing well old friend, I am sorry I just read this post, I donít come to RCU much anymore, just to many old school elitist type personalities, and would be builders around here.

Bob


Old 12-23-2022, 12:07 AM
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A Merry Christmas to model aeroplane builders wherever you live!

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Old 12-23-2022, 05:32 AM
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Merry Christmas to you all and a Happy New Year! May you airplanes survive every landing!
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Old 12-24-2022, 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by porcia83
Vertical Grimmace said: "Why does this not surprise me? "

Most likely it's because your judgmental? That would be my guess, your answer above certainly indicates that. Feel free to write and explain how the way I enjoy the hobby is somehow less important than the way you do.
Lazy people think that paying others to do the hobby for them is a "hobby" but others who know better see it for what it is which is nothing more than a "pass time".
Instead of paying other folks to live my life for me...I prefer teach myself to do as much for myself and to accomplish as much as I can by my own wits, talents and efforts.
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Old 12-24-2022, 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by David John Davis
I stumbled across this video of a Fokker Dr1 on YouTube. In the comments section someone asked, "Where did you buy this model?" Shouldn't be surprised really!
Thanks for the inspirational post...!
I've got a .030 cubic inch diesel engine that needs a new home.
The design challenge here is to make the best possible use of such limited power.
I don't want to pay someone else to do that for me...where is the fun in doing that...?
I think the lack of "builders" is definitely due to the fact that people are generally lazy and are always looking at ways to conserve energy..
The popularity of RTFs feeds on this basic instinct and this is "where all of the builders have gone".
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Old 12-24-2022, 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by combatpigg
Lazy people think that paying others to do the hobby for them is a "hobby" but others who know better see it for what it is which is nothing more than a "pass time".
Instead of paying other folks to live my life for me...I prefer teach myself to do as much for myself and to accomplish as much as I can by my own wits, talents and efforts.
My sentiments exactly. Wishing everyone a Merry Christmas and a safe and happy holidays 🎊🍾
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Old 12-24-2022, 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by combatpigg
Thanks for the inspirational post...!
I've got a .030 cubic inch diesel engine that needs a new home.
The design challenge here is to make the best possible use of such limited power.
I don't want to pay someone else to do that for me...where is the fun in doing that...?
I think the lack of "builders" is definitely due to the fact that people are generally lazy and are always looking at ways to conserve energy..
The popularity of RTFs feeds on this basic instinct and this is "where all of the builders have gone".
Originally Posted by combatpigg
Lazy people think that paying others to do the hobby for them is a "hobby" but others who know better see it for what it is which is nothing more than a "pass time".
Instead of paying other folks to live my life for me...I prefer teach myself to do as much for myself and to accomplish as much as I can by my own wits, talents and efforts.
obviously they are not lazy, they work to afford buying other peoples labor to to be involved in our hobby/sport. Did you buy your car, or build it, as most you probably bought it because you wanted to just drive, they bought an Arf because they just want to flyÖ
Merry Christmas to all!


Bob

Old 12-24-2022, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by sensei
obviously they are not lazy, they work to afford buying other peoples labor to to be involved in our hobby/sport. Did you buy your car, or build it, as most you probably bought it because you wanted to just drive, they bought an Arf because they just want to flyÖ
Merry Christmas to all!


Bob
You should see the lines of people in today's society "who aren't lazy" at Mcdonalds waiting for someone to hand them their daily RTF HOLIDAY McMEAL...!!!
HA HA...!!!
Old 12-24-2022, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by sensei
Did you buy your car, or build it, as most you probably bought it because you wanted to just drive, they bought an Arf because they just want to flyÖ
Merry Christmas to all!
Bob
My other hobby is doing ground up "resto mods" of old cars.
Yes, I consider this a hobby and not just a pass time.
If you want to compare buying a factory built car to actual participation in a hobby..then there isn't any more to discuss.
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Old 12-24-2022, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by gow589
When I got into R/C airplanes in the 80's, people would spend all winter building something. When spring came they would show up at the field. "Bill's putting the first flight on his Pica Duelist twin". We'd all get around and watch. Bill would be a little bit nervous cause he spent time crafting it. Bill had skin in the game and it was his choice of colors and features and his heart in the airplane. Weather the flight was good or bad, it was fun. Today someone brings a new ARF. They take off, crash it go get another. No body even bothers watching. Many of them fly more like toys instead of airplanes.
Those were the days when participation in a club was much more interesting.
The first Giant Scale planes I saw back then were all "home engineered" with what was available. The excitement and anticipation that went with the first test flights was part of the experience.
RC Pattern .was already well established and many of the best flyers built their own using the latest "exotic" techniques to save an ounce here and there .
Many of the club members brought their partly finished planes to club meetings and some were people who had experience in full scale aeronautics.
This hobby can be a full fledged education, sport and a real adventure if you want it to be.

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Old 12-24-2022, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by combatpigg
Those were the days when participation in a club was much more interesting.
The first Giant Scale planes I saw back then were all "home engineered" with what was available. The excitement and anticipation that went with the first test flights was part of the experience.
RC Pattern .was already well established and many of the best flyers built their own using the latest "exotic" techniques to save an ounce here and there .
Many of the club members brought their partly finished planes to club meetings and some were people who had experience in full scale aeronautics.
This hobby can be a full fledged education, sport and a real adventure if you want it to be.
You are preaching to the choir but donít know it!
I also believe to live and let live.

Bob
Old 12-24-2022, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by combatpigg
My other hobby is doing ground up "resto mods" of old cars.
Yes, I consider this a hobby and not just a pass time.
If you want to compare buying a factory built car to actual participation in a hobby..then there isn't any more to discuss.
Funny working with cars was why I took a break for a bit from the planes. I am in between cars at the moment which allowed me to do some more building.
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Originally Posted by gow589
Funny working with cars was why I took a break for a bit from the planes. I am in between cars at the moment which allowed me to do some more building.
Same here brother..!
but no more Rust Bucket / Basket Cases for this old man to tackle.
It's all the nasty body work that I'm just too old to deal with
My plan is to buy a decently restored Model A Ford....then sell off the stock running gear and so this limits the work to just installing the modern mechanical stuff..[which is fun].
Of course I might need to lie to the Seller a little bit if he asks me what my plans are for the car that he has lovingly restored to original condition.
I'll just tell him that I plan to drive it and to enjoy it "AS IS"..[which isn't too much of a lie if I drive the car home "as is" before dismantling it, chopping the top, channeling it, gutting the original interior, etc....]

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