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Old 01-19-2023, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyerInOKC
I think its more of a case of people back then didn't think it could happen.
I think people back then were more willing to risk life. Buildings such as the empire state building or large bridges were measured in lives lost.
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Old 01-19-2023, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyerInOKC
I think its more of a case of people back then didn't think it could happen.
well I don't know...people back then didn't need to call "TECH SUPPORT" to figure out how to pop a turkey in the oven, or how to change a flat tire, or how to glue wing panel A to wing panel B........
Old 01-19-2023, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyerInOKC
I think its more of a case of people back then didn't think it could happen.
Originally Posted by gow589
I think people back then were more willing to risk life. Buildings such as the empire state building or large bridges were measured in lives lost.
I think it's a case that there were much fewer lawyers
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Old 01-19-2023, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by scale only 4 me
I think it's a case that there were much fewer lawyers
YES. This is actually a very "EDGY REPLY" that those rat faced, beady eyed, rodent-like lawyers are now calling HATE SPEECH.
Old 01-19-2023, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by gow589
I think people back then were more willing to risk life. Buildings such as the empire state building or large bridges were measured in lives lost.
Did you see the [PBS?] documentary about the construction of the Golden Gate Bridge..?
There was a "homeless camp" set up nearby full of men looking for work who were waiting in line for someone to either fall to their death or die from exposure to the lead based paint.
Countless millions of people have crossed that bridge everyday since with no appreciation for the lives that were lost building it.
Back then we actually had homeless camps full of men looking for work instead of handouts.
Old 01-20-2023, 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by scale only 4 me
I think it's a case that there were much fewer lawyers
Maybe, but I think the attitude was different back then. It was ok to die for an automobile race and many did routinely. It was ok to die in an airplane and many did; especially with the beginning of the mail service. Up to 1970 even Grand Pri or Indy style racing did not use seat-belts as it was thought better just to be thrown from the car.

We have migrated where this is not acceptable and people don't generally accept it anymore. Race cars and tracks are amazingly safe. Buildings are not measured by the number of people who died any more nor is their construction projected in that manner. A projected bridge construction my be considered a 5 man project meaning they expect to lose 5 men in the build. Back then, 65yrs old WAS OLD! Women often died in childbirth. We don't accept the risk that we did in that time period.
Old 01-20-2023, 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by combatpigg
Did you see the [PBS?] documentary about the construction of the Golden Gate Bridge..?
There was a "homeless camp" set up nearby full of men looking for work who were waiting in line for someone to either fall to their death or die from exposure to the lead based paint.
Countless millions of people have crossed that bridge everyday since with no appreciation for the lives that were lost building it.
Back then we actually had homeless camps full of men looking for work instead of handouts.
Certainly a different time!
Old 01-20-2023, 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by combatpigg
Did you see the [PBS?] documentary about the construction of the Golden Gate Bridge..?
There was a "homeless camp" set up nearby full of men looking for work who were waiting in line for someone to either fall to their death or die from exposure to the lead based paint.
Countless millions of people have crossed that bridge everyday since with no appreciation for the lives that were lost building it.
Back then we actually had homeless camps full of men looking for work instead of handouts.
I watched the Amish build my barn with the high ceilings walking rafter to rafter with no safety device. That is what came to mind. I couldn't bare to watch them. I guess OSHA is not as involved in the Amish community. I did give the leader a solid state turn signal system I make for cars to use on his buggy!
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Old 01-20-2023, 06:38 AM
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Case in point look at all the controversy around the number of migrant workers killed building the World Cup venue in Qatar.
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Old 01-20-2023, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by combatpigg
I did not know that....
That's a great photo..!!
Once all the people crammed into the stands I wonder how many realized that if one of those flying contraptions went out of control they would be SOL...?
Years earlier when the planes were even less safe they flew at a stadium in France...?
People were more tough back then..getting hit by a airplane wasn't as big a deal as it is nowadays.
It was probably in "British Aircraft Before the Great War". It is described that a pioneer aircraft crashed into the crowd at an early air race and several people were killed. Thinking of nowadays though, have you ever seen the crowd at a cross country rally race?
Old 01-20-2023, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by gow589
I watched the Amish build my barn with the high ceilings walking rafter to rafter with no safety device. That is what came to mind. I couldn't bare to watch them. I guess OSHA is not as involved in the Amish community. I did give the leader a solid state turn signal system I make for cars to use on his buggy!
When it came time to reroof my barn I had a stroke of genius.
This was right after the stock market tanked in 2009 and building supplies were cheap.
I bought about sixty 2 x 6s for beams and joists and several sheets of plywood for the decking...then built a loft that was high enough to break my fall from the roof job above and when the roofing project was over would obviously be useful for storage.
The brand new galvanized roof panels were so slippery it still required being tied off to a "static line" I stretched along the roof peak.
I'm sure "Real Roofers" would have laughed...

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Old 01-20-2023, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by mgnostic
It was probably in "British Aircraft Before the Great War". It is described that a pioneer aircraft crashed into the crowd at an early air race and several people were killed. Thinking of nowadays though, have you ever seen the crowd at a cross country rally race?
I have a hard time watching ASPIRING DARWIN AWARD RECIPIENTS
I looked up average life expectancies through the ages and before penicilin it was really low.
Our parents generation would NOT have bought into the CV19 HYPE unless they actually saw corpses piling up in the streets.
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Old 01-21-2023, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by combatpigg
I have a hard time watching ASPIRING DARWIN AWARD RECIPIENTS
I looked up average life expectancies through the ages and before penicilin it was really low.
Our parents generation would NOT have bought into the CV19 HYPE unless they actually saw corpses piling up in the streets.
Thinking of penicillin, My dad, as most of his generation did, enlisted in the army when he graduated high school in 1944. He trained as what would now be a combat medic. He was in Washington State, probably at Ft Lewis waiting to ship out for the invasion of Japan when the war ended. He was then shipped to Ft Sam Houston in San Antonio, Tx while the Army decided what to do with him at the war's end. It is now 1946 and Dad and his buddy get a weekend pass. They decide to road trip to SW Oklahoma to see their families. At the time this was a 10 or 12 hour drive in a borrowed Chevy. The buzzed up to Oklahoma, had just enough time to say hi and eat a meal before turning around and heading back to San Antonio. By the time they are heading back they are going to be AWOL so they are driving as fast as they can and as they neared San Antonio the driver fell asleep and rolled the car. Luckily no one got killed but Dad's elbow got crushed in the accident. As it happened they were close enough to the base that they were taken on in to Brooke Army Hospital. If the accident had happened farther out they probably would have been taken to some county hospital and Dad's arm would have been amputated. The story we were told is that Dad was one of the first people in the US to have a crushed elbow pinned back together. I've seen the x-ray with the long metal pins screwed into the joint. They did manage to save his arm and he went on to a long career in farming and ranching. How this relates to penicillin is that he developed an allergy to the drug after receiving over 140 doses of the stuff to prevent infection.
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Old 01-21-2023, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by mgnostic
. If the accident had happened farther out they probably would have been taken to some county hospital and Dad's arm would have been amputated. The story we were told is that Dad was one of the first people in the US to have a crushed elbow pinned back together. I've seen the x-ray with the long metal pins screwed into the joint. They did manage to save his arm and he went on to a long career in farming and ranching. How this relates to penicillin is that he developed an allergy to the drug after receiving over 140 doses of the stuff to prevent infection.
Amazing to think that the military used to be where the most advanced medical care could be had.
My first wife was born with a birth defect inside her ears [1956] and the military hospital is where they did cutting edge surgery to implant man made parts that gave her pretty good hearing.
She spends the rest of her life unable to let her ears get wet and just recently was operated on to do a tune up on the original surgery that was done 60 years ago.
Old 01-21-2023, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by combatpigg
Amazing to think that the military used to be where the most advanced medical care could be had.
My first wife was born with a birth defect inside her ears [1956] and the military hospital is where they did cutting edge surgery to implant man made parts that gave her pretty good hearing.
She spends the rest of her life unable to let her ears get wet and just recently was operated on to do a tune up on the original surgery that was done 60 years ago.
Wasn't CA glue developed in Vietnam to close field wounds? I know before WWII DR's didn't do much to eyeballs, but after so many P-40 pilots got glass in their eyes from combat they realized they could work with eyeballs and that lead to cataract surgery.
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Originally Posted by gow589
Wasn't CA glue developed in Vietnam to close field wounds? I know before WWII DR's didn't do much to eyeballs, but after so many P-40 pilots got glass in their eyes from combat they realized they could work with eyeballs and that lead to cataract surgery.
That's what I've heard....
Here is a lump sum collection of WWII aviation facts......Horrific WWII Statistics (pippaettore.com)

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That's an interesting page!
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Originally Posted by combatpigg
That's what I've heard....
Here is a lump sum collection of WWII aviation facts......Horrific WWII Statistics (pippaettore.com)
Have you ever watched a you tube channel called "Greg's Airplanes and Automobiles" ? He does, by you tube standards, a pretty in depth analysis of various WWII airplanes. He references primary source documents such as aircraft manuals and NACA reports as opposed to reading wikipedia articles in a dramatic tone of voice. Along with the stats of the various airplanes there is interesting discussion of various countries pilot training, tactics and aircraft production.
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Originally Posted by mgnostic
Have you ever watched a you tube channel called "Greg's Airplanes and Automobiles" ? He does, by you tube standards, a pretty in depth analysis of various WWII airplanes. He references primary source documents such as aircraft manuals and NACA reports as opposed to reading wikipedia articles in a dramatic tone of voice. Along with the stats of the various airplanes there is interesting discussion of various countries pilot training, tactics and aircraft production.
I'll give Greg's Planes a look..!


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Medical CA might have come from the Vietnam era, but CA goes back to WWII. For a long time I was under the belief that it was an Eastman Kodak discovery. It was used to bond canopies on military aircraft. If you do an internet search for Eastman 910 you can get some history. More recently I saw a post that another company developed it, but alas, I can't remember who?
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Originally Posted by GREG DOE
Medical CA might have come from the Vietnam era, but CA goes back to WWII. For a long time I was under the belief that it was an Eastman Kodak discovery. It was used to bond canopies on military aircraft. If you do an internet search for Eastman 910 you can get some history. More recently I saw a post that another company developed it, but alas, I can't remember who?
That's amazing...!!
Our Young People [post Baby Boomers] have been brainwashed by [[[THE GLOBALISTS]]] into rejecting AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM...but they were deliberately never taught in school about ALL of the things that AMERICANS did to save the rest of the world's people WHO THEY NEVER EVEN MET from tyranny.
I'm also kind of surprised to hear that CA was discovered by Kodak instead of the company that has discovered everything else that is of a gooey nature........3M

Edit...I think Silicone Caulk / adhesive was developed [or simply used] in response to a skyscraper that kept having huge floor to ceiling window panels pop out and land on the sidewalk 100s of feet below...GENERAL ELECTRIC [GE] Silicone was probably designed to be a super insulator..but ended up becoming a super adhesive.

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Old 02-01-2023, 07:02 AM
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I just got a newsletter from Old School Models, here is what I read:

Secondly, our supply of CA hinges has dried up and itís taken a bit of time a negotiation to find a substitute. Iíve found another supplier that I hope will be a good replacement.

But the biggest problem has been the loss of Sig Mfg. There's a lot of rumors going around as to what's going on with them - well I can tell you that as of 1/31, they have ceased all manufacturing and what's left will be an importer of ARF kits, moving somewhere up in the Chicago area. That's a shame, as there's a massive history and knowledge base that's apparently going to be lost. As you may or may not know, I purchase a good deal of items from Sig which are included in our own kits. Some wood, landing gear (music) wire, nose gear assemblies, etc. Their shutdown has sent me scrambling to find other suppliers. I'm well on the way to solving some of these, but let's just say it's taking ALL of my free time to make sure things are still shipping on time.


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Old 02-01-2023, 09:34 AM
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I'm bummed SIG is going to end up basically just an importer. There are kits I wish I could get..
Old 02-01-2023, 11:46 AM
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Sig isn't gone they relocated to Texas.
Follow the sig Facebook group for up to date info.
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Originally Posted by I-fly-any-and-all
Sig isn't gone they relocated to Texas.
Follow the sig Facebook group for up to date info.
No updates since December. The source of my information, dated 2/1/2023, is a kit cutter they were supplying wood and other items.

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