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Old 01-29-2016, 09:17 AM
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Default Attaching windshied to fuselage - Eindecker build ?

Hi Guys,

I posted this question under " Eindecker Build ", but then realized that many may not be building Eindeckers or reading my question. Thus, I am posting it here again.

I am presently in the finishing stages of a Balsa USA Eindecker 90 and really at a loss on how to attach the windshield. I have viewed many builds of the same model and many have just left the windshield off, but I am considering attaching the windshield to my model, but am at a loss on how to do it. Would anybody happen to have any ideas or good suggestions on how to attach the windshield ?

Thus far, the model is finishing up really nice and I would hate at this point in time to cobb it up with a sloppy gluing job.

Thanks ahead of time for any help.
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I am not familiar with the particular model you are building, but there are a couple ways commonly used to attach windshields or canopies. Zap adhesives offers a canopy glue that dries clear, stays flexible and is strong as hell. An alternative to that is to use very small pan head screws. I am currently using a number 2 wood screw with a pan head that requires a very small allen wrench to drive them. They are quite attractive on a model. Either will require that you have at least a small flat surface on the windshield or canopy that lies flat on the body of the model to use them.
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Originally Posted by JollyPopper View Post
I am not familiar with the particular model you are building, but there are a couple ways commonly used to attach windshields or canopies. Zap adhesives offers a canopy glue that dries clear, stays flexible and is strong as hell. An alternative to that is to use very small pan head screws. I am currently using a number 2 wood screw with a pan head that requires a very small allen wrench to drive them. They are quite attractive on a model. Either will require that you have at least a small flat surface on the windshield or canopy that lies flat on the body of the model to use them.
Thanks for the help Jolly. I have used the canopy glue before on other models with great success, but in practicing with the materials I am now dealing with, it just does not seem to hold. In practice, I have used Super Glues on the materials and that seems to hold better than the canopy glue. When I put the rubber edging around the cockpit area, I used Super Glue and it worked perfectly with the molding holding firmly in place.

Just have to be VERY CAREFUL with the amount of Super Glue that is applied, as that liquid sure does seem to have a tendency to run.

I am now considering Super Gluing the same rubber edging to the bottom of the windshield and then Super Gluing the rubber part of the edging to the fuselage. Also, as you stated, perhaps a few very small pan head screws may also help, which I already have and may even add to the looks of the model.

" I HOPE " ........... LOL .............

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Old 01-31-2016, 01:06 PM
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https://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/...&hsimp=yhs-001
I just pulled up Eindecker and a lot of full scale photos came up. Looks like not all of them had the wind screen but the ones that do have a frame around them. An easy DIY thing. Once a frame is made then contact cement holds it in.
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Originally Posted by Gray Beard View Post
https://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/...&hsimp=yhs-001
I just pulled up Eindecker and a lot of full scale photos came up. Looks like not all of them had the wind screen but the ones that do have a frame around them. An easy DIY thing. Once a frame is made then contact cement holds it in.
Thank you for pulling up those photos. I could not find that many myself. I am still working and thinking about how to attach a wind screen, but if it does not work out at least now I will feel better about leaving it off, as the photos show, not all of them had a windscreen.

Thanks again .............
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I looked them up, too. I would do a GB suggests. Build a frame. It will provide more gluing surface to attach it to the air frame.
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From the photos the first issue of planes didn't have one at all then the second issue had a small one, the third one had a bigger wind screen, very easy to make. Just a balsa frame then some of the K&B plastic cut and glued onto the frame with some contact cement. I used contact cement on the swoose and once it is down it stays put!!
The search? Well, I typed in Eindecker and pushed the button. Pages and pages of stuff. Even a lot of original photos I had never seen. It's raining snowing and windy and I'm really bored so I also looked up the DR-I too. I already knew a bunch about it but learned a lot more.
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Originally Posted by TomCrump View Post
I looked them up, too. I would do a GB suggests. Build a frame. It will provide more gluing surface to attach it to the air frame.



What I will now be doing is building a very thin plywood frame using the same degree of fuselage roundness . If I can build the frame and it looks good, then I will attach it to the fuselage. But, on the other hand, if it does not meet the level of appearance that I am looking for, then I can leave it off, go with the no wind screen model and have no messing up of the fuselage.

One big problem that I am having is that at my age, I am sure that this will be the last KIT that I will be building, thus I do want to make it as perfect as possible. I do have some ARF's on the shelves that I know that I will be assembling, but sadly I feel that my Eindecker will be my last kit build. Unless, I opt for a vintage stick rubber powered kit .................... LOL

Thanks for your advice guys ..................

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I had the same issue but planned ahead. Why don't you make a windshield that you screw on, not glue on. Just build a simple frame. You could put a piece of paper between the window frame and fuselage (Assuming you already finished it) and make the frame without fear of making a mess. Once the frame is done just screw it on.

Couple photos of mine being built:

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Originally Posted by SunDevilPilot View Post
I had the same issue but planned ahead. Why don't you make a windshield that you screw on, not glue on. Just build a simple frame. You could put a piece of paper between the window frame and fuselage (Assuming you already finished it) and make the frame without fear of making a mess. Once the frame is done just screw it on.

Couple photos of mine being built:

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What I am doing is basically what you have suggested. I will be attaching the windshield to a very light ply frame, then most likely I will both cement it and screw it to the fuselage.
Yours looks real good.
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Originally Posted by Granpooba View Post
What I am doing is basically what you have suggested. I will be attaching the windshield to a very light ply frame, then most likely I will both cement it and screw it to the fuselage.
Yours looks real good.
Had to add this after taking another look at your pictures. That machine gun looks very authentic also. Nice work .......
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Originally Posted by SunDevilPilot View Post
I had the same issue but planned ahead. Why don't you make a windshield that you screw on, not glue on. Just build a simple frame. You could put a piece of paper between the window frame and fuselage (Assuming you already finished it) and make the frame without fear of making a mess. Once the frame is done just screw it on.

Couple photos of mine being built:

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Had to add this after taking another look at your pictures. That machine gun looks very authentic also. Nice work .......
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When I built the BUSA 80" Eindecker I mounted the clear plastic windscreen to a brass strip with small brass nuts and bolts and then made a slot in the decking just ahead of the cockpit and inserted the assembly down into the decking. I don't have a detail shot handy but this pictures gives an idea.

The pictures from SunDevil look to be of the 1/4 scale Nieuport 28C. I have finished the smaller 1/6 scale BUSA version but have yet to build and install the winshield (this winter's project). This information is very helpful. I'm also interested in how you were able to surround the cabane struts with wood. They look beautiful and I can't see any seams or how they were installed around the cross brace wires. Sorry to hijack the thread.

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Some great looking models popping up here .......................
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That back mount for the side gun..on the old black and white picture above... looks just like a skateboard truck ! I noticed that right off...

Definitely some nice pics to check out.
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Just finishing my Eindecker 90 with DLE 20cc. This is my second Eindecker enjoyed my first one so much soon her crash I started on this one. The windshield I made with two layer thin ply with the plastic sandwiched using canopy glue and used canopy glue to attach the windshield frame to the plane.
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Just finishing my Eindecker 90 with DLE 20cc. This is my second Eindecker enjoyed my first one so much soon her crash I started on this one. The windshield I made with two layer thin ply with the plastic sandwiched using canopy glue and used canopy glue to attach the windshield frame to the plane.
Looks good !

I am just finishing up my windshield and frame. Will be attaching it to the fuselage with epoxy and #2 screws. It should hold quite well, unless it lands inverted ............. LOL .............
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It's not the age that gets ya, it's all the hard miles!!!
I think that is was the HARD MILES , put in over the years ................. LOL

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