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Old 05-15-2009, 02:26 AM
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Default YES another Top Flight P-40 build!!!

Well, I got this kit for my birthday last year. As I also have a 17 month old daughter, I've been pressed for both time and space to start the project. To compound problems, my beautiful wife is now 7 months pregnant with my son!

So I started with the flaps, and tail surfaces. Smaller projects that were easy to complete, and did'nt need ton's of workspace to do.

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Old 05-15-2009, 08:01 AM
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Default RE: YES another Top Flight P-40 build!!!

Your work looks nice and clean. I've seen a couple TF P-40 build threads started, but none finished. I'll be following. I've got a kit waiting, not sure when I'll get to it.
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Some more shots of the flaps... Thanks! But I have to admit, these Top Flight kits go together quite well, if you just take your time and follow the directions! POC! (Piece o' cake) That and the fact that I've built those flaps about 100 times in my head waiting on the real time to do it did'nt hurt either hahahaha!
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Old 05-15-2009, 11:25 AM
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ORIGINAL: smithcreek

Your work looks nice and clean. I've seen a couple TF P-40 build threads started, but none finished. I'll be following. I've got a kit waiting, not sure when I'll get to it.

There are quite a few builds of the Top Flight P-40 out there if you look for them and you should, lots of good info out there. It seems that the P-40 has been quite a subject of discussion. Topics from the correct C/G, how to balance(gear up or down), to build mods for the wings to correct a design flaw at the flap/aileron junction in the trailing edge. Size of engine, to weight issues. Lots of opinions out there, and lots of real time experience with the kit.

Weight(AUW) seems to be a topic that people have some issue with. I've read about this kit being built stripped down and tipping in at around 8 and a half pounds, others with all of the bells and whistles were around as heavy as 13 and a half. No matter what the weight, most seem to agree that the flight characteristics remain pretty much the same. Tip stalls at low speeds, ground loops, poor ground handling, flys like a brick lol.

Some out there have removed as much extra balsa they can reach with a dremmel to save weight. I have opted not to go this route, as I do not want to reduce the over all strength of the airframe. (I do know that I could take out some, but I don't feel that the few grams saved are worth the trouble. I'd rather save weight by using digital micro servos where i can)

I plan on building in all of the scale effects within reason for a 1/7th scale plane. (I've found scale items for 1:6.9 or 1/7th to be rather hard to find. Some are out there and I will drop links to any sites that I have further in this forum.) If anyone knows of any good sites for scale items, let me know! By the way 1:6.9 is the true listed scale by Top Flight for this model.

You'll also see that I've taken out the bellcranks in the wing for the ailerons, to be replaced with the same set up as the flaps with each aileron operating with its own servo. Also I built up the trailing edge of the wing at the aileron/flap junction to fix a weak design in the wing. Pictures of all to come soon.

Century Jet retracts(both mains and tail), flaps, bomb/belly tank drop, full Bob Dively cockpit kit, glassing and paint. I plan on going with the Surpass III 1.20 pumper. That should be more than enough to pull even a 13 and a half pound plane. I just felt that with all of this in the airframe combined with the poor handling aspects that building stronger was the smarter way to go and to just trust the engine to do what it does haha. All suggest, as would I to build and USE the flaps...this plane was never graceful one to fly in real life and you should expect some of the same with this model. The full scale plane had problems with ground handling, tip stalls, ground loops ect. Still it was a good plane that pilots learned to love. You just need to know how to love it lol.

Oh yeah, and combine all of the flight characteristics with 15 to 25 knot trades here in Hawaii, and you're in for a pucker HAHAHA!

I've had lots of time to do my research on this build and I'm glad I have.
Old 05-15-2009, 05:01 PM
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Default RE: YES another Top Flight P-40 build!!!

tail feathers...

I may add block's of balsa in both the rudder, and elevator, to carve into trim tabs... but I have not had the time to think it through yet. Other than that, some final shaping, and installing the balance tabs... the tail is done.
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Old 05-15-2009, 05:55 PM
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Default RE: YES another Top Flight P-40 build!!!

Looks great so far, thanks for letting me know you have started it. I still havent maidened mine yet, when the time is right! Keep the pictures coming.
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Old 05-15-2009, 06:18 PM
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Default RE: YES another Top Flight P-40 build!!!

Well I'm looking forward to seeing your maiden! Your build has inspired me to build as much as I can when I can lol.
Old 05-15-2009, 08:15 PM
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Default RE: YES another Top Flight P-40 build!!!

You have just started and it looks better than mine already, I wish my flaps were made like yours. Have you decided on a paint scheme ?
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Old 05-15-2009, 09:05 PM
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Default RE: YES another Top Flight P-40 build!!!

funny you should ask...I've flown warbirds before, and you know the camo usually works pretty well hahaha! I really don't want a plane thats too hard to see, so I've been scouring the web for all of the pics I can find of P-40's. One thing that has drawn my interest is captured allied warbirds.I've found a few P-40s the Japanese did, but I'd love to find a captured German P-40. Perhaps a downed Brit Warhawk from the African conflict? , but alas I have found none....So perhaps I'll do a fictional captured P-40 in the GermanTrop paint scheme of the Oblt. Hans Joachim Marseille. I've seen this plane done with botha yellow and red tailwith his kill marks on the rudder.

The scheme on the spit here is'nt too bad for a start....lots of yellow to make it more visible......hmmm

Any ideas?
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Old 05-16-2009, 01:31 PM
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So here is the final joining of the wing. At this point I have built as directed, and have not removed the bellcranks or modified the trailing edge at the flap/aileron junction. Unfortunately, I don't have any pictures of the actual build up of the wing, as I did it completely wacked on pain pills two days after having surgery on my chest. I failed to take any pictures, and don't remember much of building it either, but it sure turned out nice HA! dunno how lol.

The last picture has captions where the modifications are needed.

I'll post the trailing edge modifications I did to the wing next.
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Old 05-17-2009, 01:37 AM
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My beautiful wife Therese and baby girl Bella. We took some beach time today, so no building! Well sand castles anyways!!!!!

Can you believe my wife is due August 7th with our boy Sawyer!


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Default RE: YES another Top Flight P-40 build!!!

Took the time to do the cockpit. It's ABob Divelykit, and Iwas'nt too impressed when I firstrecieved it. It takesalot oftime to get all of the parts cut out and shaped correctly. (Is'nt that always the case with vacu-formed plastic parts). With a little paint, patience and a bit more time than you'de like you'll find thatitturnsout pretty nice.

I just need to go pick up some pins for theknobs, cut someclear plastic to make areflector for the gunsites, and complete the harnessto finish it all off now.
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Old 05-18-2009, 08:45 PM
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ORIGINAL: glazier808

My beautiful wife Therese and baby girl Bella. We took some beach time today, so no building! Well sand castles anyways!!!!!

Can you believe my wife is due August 7th with our boy Sawyer!


NO, she looks like she would be right at home at one of the local Las Vegas hotel's beach party's!!
Your build is really looking good too, never enough nice warbird builds on here and the P-40 is one of my all time number one builds. Iremember seeing one from WW2 that was really painted in black as the main color but don't recall what the other colors on it were. Iremember Ireally liked it though.
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Roger that! Lucky man I am...very....thank you for the complement. She will appreciate it, as being pregnant causes women to think, well actually ah, stop thinking correctly I guess would be kind. lol

I too love the P-40, just something tough and mean about it!
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Old 05-18-2009, 09:18 PM
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By the way, If anyone out there has a line on a Top Flight drop tank for this kit, let me know(I'm, certain that they are discontinued by Top Flight). If I can't find one, I'll just have to use the prints to fabricate something I guess. The only thing I've found was from Ziroli, but I think that its 1/5 scale and is a couple of inches larger than the one shown on the plans.

Heres a link, they have some nice scale stuff there.



http://www.ziroliplans.com/scale_catalog.html



Features:
Multi layer fiberglass cloth and polyester resin layup.
Specifications:
Parts in set: 2 tank halves
Tank Length: 13 ¼”
Tank diameter: 4”
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Old 05-19-2009, 03:16 AM
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Well now that I'm sitting here looking at this cockpit interior, I'm thinking...do I want to do a sliding canopy????

Originally I did'nt.... now I'm wondering....
hmmm.... Icould link it to the retracts....or maybe....
ahhhhhhh....
too many ideas for my little head lol.

oh where do you stop.....


no matter what I'm not doing gear doors and I mean it!

LOL
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Is that a 60 size plane? might be a real challenge to make a sliding canopy if it is. It takes a lot of room for the mechanisms to open and close it, and also you need room for your hands in there to work on it. I have only done it once and it was a lot of work even on a 1/5 scale plane. I was considering it on the giant P-47 I am building now, but not sure I want to do all that work again. If you do make it work, it will be something you will enjoy and be proud of. Have fun, Denny
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Hey, I actually got a chance to help start a full scale P-40 a couple weeks ago. I went to Sun and Fun here in Florida. I packed my P-40 so I could get a picture of itwith a full scale one there. Unfortunatly even tho we got there real early, the pilot showed up and I didnt have time to get the pic of my plane with it. He had trouble starting it and I had to rotate the prop so he could get it going, a small thing, but I enjoyed it. I included a link here to some pictures my son took that morning, the pictures are on around page 30 and 31 of the album.
Denny
PS, cute kid and wife, I hope they are as supportive of your hobby as mine are.
http://rides.webshots.com/album/552141172xfdmUK
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Iread earlier where you mentioned Century Jet.
If that was in reference to retracts for the P-40, consider spoiling yourself and get a set of the Lado rotating retracts for that plane.
http://www.lado-tech.net/proddetail.php?prod=60-2T
You will love them.
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ORIGINAL: tenacious101010

Is that a 60 size plane? might be a real challenge to make a sliding canopy if it is. It takes a lot of room for the mechanisms to open and close it, and also you need room for your hands in there to work on it. I have only done it once and it was a lot of work even on a 1/5 scale plane. I was considering it on the giant P-47 I am building now, but not sure I want to do all that work again. If you do make it work, it will be something you will enjoy and be proud of. Have fun, Denny
Well Tower does list it as such, here are the specs as listed on site. I don't think with a 1000' to runout, I could try to get this bird in the air with a .60 sized motor up frount. LOL.

SPECS: Wingspan: 64"
Wing Area: 697 sq.in.
Wing Loading: 26 to 35oz/sq ft
Length: 54.25"
Weight: 8-10.5lbs
Scale: 1:7
Airfoil: Fully-Symmetrical, Low-Wing
CG: ¼" aft of leading edge at rib 6 ±¼" (rib 6 is the outbrd rib to
which the flap servo is attached, 2nd rib past landing gear pod).
Control Throws: High Rate Low Rate
Elevator: 11/16" each way 9/16" each way
Rudder: 1½" each way 1¼" each way
Ailerons: 5/8" each way ½" each way
Flaps (full down): 1½"



REQUIRES: Engine: .60-.91 2-stroke or 90-1.20 4-stroke
Radio: 4-7 Channel (4-8 Servos)

I plan on using the O.S. 1.20 Surpass III with pump, although I see Saito has a new 115, and the RCV's are interesting enough too. I have not made this final decision, although I'm leaning towards the O.S. 1.20 as the plane has been designed for such


I have seen a sliding canopy done on this bird twice now, andit did look good! I know that the room to do it is there. Just not alot of it . My only real concern is that I'm already putting alot of weight into this build with extra's now. I'm not sure that I can justify "this" added weight though. I'm already adding servo's for each aileron(original design uses one with bellcranks), one for bomb/belly tank drop, and another for tailwheel operation. I'm even thinking of using a gyro to compensate for the poor characteristics of this plane. I've read at least one threadsomewhere on the web,where a guy was raving about how it improved his TopFlight P-40. But there again, thats more weight(gyro and high speed digital servo). Now I know I could just run air to the tail wheel and negate oneservo there, but I'd rather have to replace a servo,than track down an airleak in the fuse at some time.

Thats alot of servos total, and Idon't want to push the load on my battery's, or the push the weight up any more.


Do I think it would look nice...no question...
do I want to do it...still the question lol.

I guess you have to understandformost that this build is really a learningplatform for my nextbuild. I have not decidedbetween theTop Flight GS P-47 or the Meister Scale as of yet(I have the Top Flightkit)
What ever kit I do build, I plan on thowing all the scale effects that I can into it.

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So whats the latest on your beautiful P-40 there Denny? Any maidens going on in Florida this weekend?

And yes my beautiful wife supports me with my love of aviation. She's the one who bought me the kit for my birthday!
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ORIGINAL: glazier808

Well Tower does list it as such, here are the specs as listed on site. I don't think with a 1000' to runout, I could try to get this bird in the air with a .60 sized motor up frount. LOL.
The airplane will fly very nicely with a .60-.61 two-stroke engine if you keep the weight withing the recommended range. The reason many people have difficulties is that they get the model much too heavy. Do that, and your airspeed requirements for takeoff and landings go up, and you therefore need more power to keep the takeoff distance down to a more reasonable number.

The model WAS flown with a .61-size engine during its testing, at the maximum design weigh of 10.5 pounds. Lighter is better.



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Now don't get me wrong Bax, I did'nt say that the plane would not fly on a .60, just that Icould not get it too lol. With all the stuff I'm thowing in it, it's gonna take the recommended larger sized engine for flight I'm quite sure!


By the way Bax do you have any input on thenew Saito Fa-115, any of the RCV motors , or perhaps the use of gyro's and their potential applications to this plane?
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wow, just came across this on the web, check out these "birds"....unreal!!!! I want I want!!!


http://www.randrmodelaircraft.com/Pterotec.htm

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