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VincentJ 07-02-2019 10:52 AM

Thanks Mike!

VincentJ 07-02-2019 11:14 AM

Part II - Hinging the Elevators to the Stabilizer


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With all the hinge point locations marked on the stab's TE, I use the scribe tool that is screwed into your square and make an indentation in the center of the pencil marks. If you don't have or lost the scribe tool an awl works just as well.


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This is what it should look like.



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I find it convenient to have all of the tools that I need to install hinge points in one storage box. I'm using an old servo box for this purpose.


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This is a jig that Robart sells, if you want to install your hinge points straight and true it's really a must have. The threaded top knob is removable insert that will accommodate the different size hinge points that Robart offers which are 3/32,1/8 and 3/16. I've installed the 1/8" hinge points insert for my application. Be sure to use a new or sharp 1/8" drill bit, which I've equipped with a depth stop that you can find at your local hardware store.


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Place the jig over the TE of the stab, insert an awl to locate the indentation previously made ensuring the hole is drilled at the correct location. You could also just look through the top hole and just site the indentation if you prefer. Stay tuned for Part III...

GameEngineer 07-02-2019 11:15 AM

Mike, good luck doing any bench time with that little cute girl around! Vince, looking good per the norm. I was also wondering where all the blue tape went. You had it! ;) (I use a lot of it myself. Used it for clamping primarily before I saw those great clamps.)

FlyerInOKC 07-02-2019 11:28 AM

The blue tape sure beats the old light brown masking tape of old.

VincentJ 07-03-2019 12:21 AM

Part III - Hinging the Elevators to the Stabilizer


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Remove the awl and insert your 1/8" drill bit chucked in a cordless drill. The jig will ensure the hole is straight and plumb.


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All of the 1/8" holes have been drilled, but you're not done yet!


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Look closely at the hinge point. Note that the barbed portion of the hinge point is straight, in other words, its diameter is the same from the first top barb to the bottom sixth barb. Above the top barb the hinge point starts to taper. We need to account for that for a proper fit. I use a tapered stone chucked in my Dremel tool.


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This is done freehand and without the aid of the jig. Don't worry it's a piece of cake!


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Inserting the hinge point, you'll notice that we now have to accommodate for the larger diameter of the hinge point knuckle...


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So it's back to the Dremel tool with yet another stone bit to widen the top of the hinge point opening.


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OK, now that's much better. Now you're done!


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VincentJ 07-03-2019 04:19 AM

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This morning I duplicated the same procedures on the elevator halves as I did on the stab.


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My measurements were right on, both elevator and stab lines match. You may be wondering about the large hinge gap. This will be adjusted as soon as I bevel the elevators LE. More to follow...

FlyerInOKC 07-03-2019 04:57 AM

I'm enjoying your tutorial on Robart hinges!

VincentJ 07-03-2019 05:58 AM


Originally Posted by FlyerInOKC (Post 12535198)
I'm enjoying your tutorial on Robart hinges!

Just trying to spread the love Mike! ;)

GameEngineer 07-03-2019 11:21 AM

I saw your hinge tutorial on the Sig 4* build on the hinges. I happened to have that Robart hinge tool which does help but I like the additional steps you include that I never thought of. You seem to be meticulous with good procedures. I would always bevel the control surfaces first and then use the hinge tool. I think that's how the kit instructions would always tell us. Having flat edges to lay the tool down makes so much more sense and is easier to work with. From now on I am questioning manuals and planning my steps better.

VincentJ 07-03-2019 05:12 PM

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The LE bevel on each elevator is 60 degrees.


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This is what I'll use to bevel those edges.


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rcu...8768b26245.jpg

My home made bevel sander made quick work of it.


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I like to keep things simple. I wrapped sandpaper around a deep socket.


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I need to notch the top of each hinge opening to give clearance for the hinge knuckle.


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A few passes and it's done.


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This is what the hinge should look installed. The hinge line is flush with the tip of the bevel and the knuckle has room to flex.


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Remember those large hinge gaps that I had before? Now the hinge gap is minimal.


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Plenty of elevator deflection... I think it's good to go.

mkjohnston 07-03-2019 08:25 PM

HI Vincent, When you cover your tail section do you fill in the gap at the hinge line with covering folded in half to fit the gap on both sides of the stabilizer and the elevator. My old mentor did this many years ago and he never shared how to do it! Do you also cover the tail section first then leave enough of a gap so you can glue the stab to the fuse?

Thank You
Michael Johnston

VincentJ 07-04-2019 12:43 AM

Mike, my 3-D friends seal their hinge line gaps, but I never have. It's a pretty simple process to do. Some use the same plastic covering (Ultracote/ Monokote) ironed between the beveled sides of their control surfaces. Others use 3M Micropore or Blenderm tape. The Micropore is white vs the Blenderm being clear. You Tube I'm sure has tutorials showing the process...

When I built my Four Star, I covered all of the tail surfaces before gluing onto the fuselage much like an ARF. In this particular case I will be glassing the entire model and painting so I may glass the stab before I glue to wing, not sure yet...

mkjohnston 07-04-2019 03:43 PM

Hi Vincent, my mentor years back did that method alot but he never showed me how to do it.
Mj

VincentJ 07-05-2019 03:24 PM

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To shape the wing tips, the elevators first have to be set at their neutral position. After some head scratching I had an epiphany. I fished out of the garbage the bottom portions of the cradles that were once part of the ribs that accomplished that very task. I added some cross brackets so they could stand on their own.


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rcu...d642c57450.jpg

They worked like a charm. Now I can shape those tips!


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Initial rough shape completed, now it's time to taper them.


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SA Flyer 07-05-2019 04:58 PM

Wow. Genius at work.
Thanks Vincent for the tip.

VincentJ 07-06-2019 09:16 AM

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Construction on the Fin/Rudder has begun.


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rcu...4d6734a2f7.jpg

Spars were added and glued into position. I added a block of weight over the top to ensure each rib was flush against the build table.

VincentJ 07-06-2019 01:30 PM

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The fin's leading edge need some attention before glue-up. I don't like the contact area between the front of each rib and the back of the leading edge.


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rcu...822b04d8b2.jpg

This is how I will fix the problem. I'm once again using my aluminum angle stock with sandpaper attached on one side.


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rcu...690b9f9ef9.jpg

After a few passes the contact between rib and LE stock is perfect.


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With the glue now applied, I'll let it dry before moving onto the next step...

mkjohnston 07-06-2019 03:13 PM

Vincent, That is going to be a very strong and light tail group and it looks fantastic too thank you
Michael Johnston

VincentJ 07-06-2019 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by mkjohnston (Post 12535891)
Vincent, That is going to be a very strong and light tail group and it looks fantastic too thank you
Michael Johnston

Thanks Mike...

mkjohnston 07-07-2019 06:29 AM

You are quite welcome, Vincent, It is so cool to see something built with such attention to detail. Its time for me to start building and become a much better builder and detailer!
I am going flying this morning and hopefully the wind isn't as strong as it was the other day
Take Care
Michael

VincentJ 07-07-2019 02:48 PM

Mike, like most anything else the more you practice, the better you will become. I have no doubt that your building skills will improve...

VincentJ 07-07-2019 02:58 PM

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One side of the Rudder/Fin has been planked.


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The cradle tabs were removed and before the sheeting begins, the leading edge must be shaped flush to the tops of the ribs. I find it extremely satisfying watching a good curl come out of my hand plane. :o


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Similar to the elevator halves, the rudder also has four 1/8" torque rod blocks which have been sized and epoxied in place.


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rcu...3531ce39df.jpg

If you're like me you have been buying your mixing cups from your local hobby shop. Tired of overpaying for them, I decided to go on Amazon and purchase these 3/4 oz. mixing cups for about 7 bucks! They don't however have the measurement lines on the side.

FlyerInOKC 07-08-2019 05:34 AM

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RIP little girl!
Beautiful job as always Vince. I just had the worse holiday weekend of my life. My new best buddy passed. We didn't know she had been exposed to Parvo before she was old enough to vaccinate. I ran up a credit card trying to save her but she could beat it. RIP Sandy.

VincentJ 07-08-2019 06:20 AM

Oh no! So sorry to hear Mike, that must have been devastating... :(

FlyerInOKC 07-08-2019 06:27 AM

It is.


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