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new to engine teardown.
I am tearing down my mach 26 tonight. I haven't done this before, so I was wondering if anyone had some advice for me?
it is from an aftershock (used). only one gallon of fuel threw it. I picked up some nitro cleaner, green slime for the O rings, rc one after run oil and some o'donnell o'lube on the advice from my LHS.
any advice on the order of dis assembly and or assembly, cleaning and wear indication would be greatly appreciated.
thanx for any help..
it is from an aftershock (used). only one gallon of fuel threw it. I picked up some nitro cleaner, green slime for the O rings, rc one after run oil and some o'donnell o'lube on the advice from my LHS.
any advice on the order of dis assembly and or assembly, cleaning and wear indication would be greatly appreciated.
thanx for any help..
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RE: new to engine teardown.
clutch works, pull/roto start, carb, backplate , head, put a zip tie through the exhaust then rotate the piston up to get the sleeve out, then the piston /rod then the crank shaft....assembly is reverse just pay attention to how it comes apart esp the fitment of the start shaft to the crank shaft ...here is the breakdown of the whole truch, motor is at the bottom http://www.losi.com/ProdInfo/Files/L...plodedView.pdf
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RE: new to engine teardown.
i will be rebuilding mine soon too...
will this work in it? http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...rodID=LOSR1063 'be sweet if it did
will this work in it? http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...rodID=LOSR1063 'be sweet if it did
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RE: new to engine teardown.
I am tearing it down because I broke the spin start. I have one on order, so I figured I would tear it apart and check for wear.
also it is a crappy motor anyway, I figured it would be good practice.
thanx full maxx.
also it is a crappy motor anyway, I figured it would be good practice.
thanx full maxx.
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RE: new to engine teardown.
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not sure as that is for a 427 and the shock is a 26 but someone that knows for sure will key in shortly
not sure as that is for a 427 and the shock is a 26 but someone that knows for sure will key in shortly
i know... i was hoping the cases would be the same...that would be a CHEAP 427 lol. they make an "m"427 p/s set too.
do they come with a connecting rod or do i have to re-use?
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RE: new to engine teardown.
right on...
i havent looked at the wrist pin area on how it comes apart, i will wait till the new stuff comes. do we need any other parts, ie. circlips?
i havent looked at the wrist pin area on how it comes apart, i will wait till the new stuff comes. do we need any other parts, ie. circlips?
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RE: new to engine teardown.
so I tore down the motor and cleaned her all up nice e nice. the problem is now when I tighten up the back plate, the motor won't turn over.[&o] also I noticed that it was way loose when I took it off. I think the guy I bought it from lied about how many gallons he had run threw it. I think that the piston head looked kinda worn. also the gasket between the back plate and the block was missing.
should I turf this motor? I have an OFNA .26 that will fit if I shave the chassis a little, where the fly wheel sticks threw.
will the OFNA motor work? I dunno, what do you guys think?
should I turf this motor? I have an OFNA .26 that will fit if I shave the chassis a little, where the fly wheel sticks threw.
will the OFNA motor work? I dunno, what do you guys think?
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RE: new to engine teardown.
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I am tearing it down because I broke the spin start. I have one on order, so I figured I would tear it apart and check for wear.
also it is a crappy motor anyway, I figured it would be good practice.
thanx full maxx.
I am tearing it down because I broke the spin start. I have one on order, so I figured I would tear it apart and check for wear.
also it is a crappy motor anyway, I figured it would be good practice.
thanx full maxx.
If you can post pics of the cylinder and inside the sleeve, we can get a better idea if the engine was ran hot or not. As for cleaning. REGARDLESS of what people say, WD40 is great for cleaning out a engine. I have NEVER had a problem with WD40.
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i will be rebuilding mine soon too...
will this work in it? http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...rodID=LOSR1063 'be sweet if it did
i will be rebuilding mine soon too...
will this work in it? http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...rodID=LOSR1063 'be sweet if it did
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RE: new to engine teardown.
ORIGINAL: full maxx
not sure as that is for a 427 and the shock is a 26 but someone that knows for sure will key in shortly
not sure as that is for a 427 and the shock is a 26 but someone that knows for sure will key in shortly
They are the exact same size, the only diffecence is the sleeve, it is more aggressively ported. I have rebuilt m26ss's in the past with a 427 sleeve.
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RE: new to engine teardown.
also if the motor only has a gallon throught, there is a chance you won't need the zip tie, sometimes they will pop right out.
As for all the other stuff the hobby shop sold you, they took you. I've never used after run oil, and I don't know anybody who does. There are plenty of sponsored racers here in colorado. Just make sure you burn all the fuel out of your engine after you run. Start it a few times, you will know when its empty. After run oil from a hobby shop is a joke. It is transmission fluid. If your gonna use it, then go by some tranny fluid. Much cheaper.
Another thing on the engine. Set your oven to 350, let it warm up, and put your crank case in there for 10-15 minutes. Use pot holders when you take it out. That should make the sleeve come out easier, or use a hair dryer. The sleeve lets go much easier when the crank case has been heated up.
As for all the other stuff the hobby shop sold you, they took you. I've never used after run oil, and I don't know anybody who does. There are plenty of sponsored racers here in colorado. Just make sure you burn all the fuel out of your engine after you run. Start it a few times, you will know when its empty. After run oil from a hobby shop is a joke. It is transmission fluid. If your gonna use it, then go by some tranny fluid. Much cheaper.
Another thing on the engine. Set your oven to 350, let it warm up, and put your crank case in there for 10-15 minutes. Use pot holders when you take it out. That should make the sleeve come out easier, or use a hair dryer. The sleeve lets go much easier when the crank case has been heated up.
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RE: new to engine teardown.
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Won't work. Both engines are designed differently, Different timing etc...
ORIGINAL: iceracer65
i will be rebuilding mine soon too...
will this work in it? http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...rodID=LOSR1063 'be sweet if it did
i will be rebuilding mine soon too...
will this work in it? http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...rodID=LOSR1063 'be sweet if it did
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RE: new to engine teardown.
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also if the motor only has a gallon throught, there is a chance you won't need the zip tie, sometimes they will pop right out.
As for all the other stuff the hobby shop sold you, they took you. I've never used after run oil, and I don't know anybody who does. There are plenty of sponsored racers here in colorado. Just make sure you burn all the fuel out of your engine after you run. Start it a few times, you will know when its empty. After run oil from a hobby shop is a joke. It is transmission fluid. If your gonna use it, then go by some tranny fluid. Much cheaper.
Another thing on the engine. Set your oven to 350, let it warm up, and put your crank case in there for 10-15 minutes. Use pot holders when you take it out. That should make the sleeve come out easier, or use a hair dryer. The sleeve lets go much easier when the crank case has been heated up.
also if the motor only has a gallon throught, there is a chance you won't need the zip tie, sometimes they will pop right out.
As for all the other stuff the hobby shop sold you, they took you. I've never used after run oil, and I don't know anybody who does. There are plenty of sponsored racers here in colorado. Just make sure you burn all the fuel out of your engine after you run. Start it a few times, you will know when its empty. After run oil from a hobby shop is a joke. It is transmission fluid. If your gonna use it, then go by some tranny fluid. Much cheaper.
Another thing on the engine. Set your oven to 350, let it warm up, and put your crank case in there for 10-15 minutes. Use pot holders when you take it out. That should make the sleeve come out easier, or use a hair dryer. The sleeve lets go much easier when the crank case has been heated up.
are we sure about the 427 fitting in the m26? i need to order a piston/sleeve pronto...
what else do i need besides the piston/sleeve? clips for the wrist pin? anything else i should look for?
thanks!
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RE: new to engine teardown.
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No there not. I have used them before.
ORIGINAL: iexion
Won't work. Both engines are designed differently, Different timing etc...
ORIGINAL: iceracer65
i will be rebuilding mine soon too...
will this work in it? http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...rodID=LOSR1063 'be sweet if it did
i will be rebuilding mine soon too...
will this work in it? http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...rodID=LOSR1063 'be sweet if it did
Well I stand corrected
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The 427 is a .26?!?!?
Well I stand corrected
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No there not. I have used them before.
ORIGINAL: iexion
Won't work. Both engines are designed differently, Different timing etc...
ORIGINAL: iceracer65
i will be rebuilding mine soon too...
will this work in it? http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...rodID=LOSR1063 'be sweet if it did
i will be rebuilding mine soon too...
will this work in it? http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...rodID=LOSR1063 'be sweet if it did
Well I stand corrected
4.27cc = .2605713872845 cubic inches.
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RE: new to engine teardown.
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is this how you get the inner bearing out too?
are we sure about the 427 fitting in the m26? i need to order a piston/sleeve pronto...
what else do i need besides the piston/sleeve? clips for the wrist pin? anything else i should look for?
thanks!
ORIGINAL: dgz69er
also if the motor only has a gallon throught, there is a chance you won't need the zip tie, sometimes they will pop right out.
As for all the other stuff the hobby shop sold you, they took you. I've never used after run oil, and I don't know anybody who does. There are plenty of sponsored racers here in colorado. Just make sure you burn all the fuel out of your engine after you run. Start it a few times, you will know when its empty. After run oil from a hobby shop is a joke. It is transmission fluid. If your gonna use it, then go by some tranny fluid. Much cheaper.
Another thing on the engine. Set your oven to 350, let it warm up, and put your crank case in there for 10-15 minutes. Use pot holders when you take it out. That should make the sleeve come out easier, or use a hair dryer. The sleeve lets go much easier when the crank case has been heated up.
also if the motor only has a gallon throught, there is a chance you won't need the zip tie, sometimes they will pop right out.
As for all the other stuff the hobby shop sold you, they took you. I've never used after run oil, and I don't know anybody who does. There are plenty of sponsored racers here in colorado. Just make sure you burn all the fuel out of your engine after you run. Start it a few times, you will know when its empty. After run oil from a hobby shop is a joke. It is transmission fluid. If your gonna use it, then go by some tranny fluid. Much cheaper.
Another thing on the engine. Set your oven to 350, let it warm up, and put your crank case in there for 10-15 minutes. Use pot holders when you take it out. That should make the sleeve come out easier, or use a hair dryer. The sleeve lets go much easier when the crank case has been heated up.
are we sure about the 427 fitting in the m26? i need to order a piston/sleeve pronto...
what else do i need besides the piston/sleeve? clips for the wrist pin? anything else i should look for?
thanks!
I've never pulled the inner bearings out of a motor. The longest I've had a motor is for about 15 gallons. It was a mach 4.27. Never had any problems with the bearings. Honestly, if the motor is that trashed that you are wanting to buy a new piston and sleeve along with bearings. Then you might as well spring for a new motor. the m.26ss is a good motor, but its not that good that I would completely rebuild it from scratch. If your gonna do all that, spend an extra hundred or so and get a lrp, or something else that is more powerful. If you don't want to spend that, then buy a tuned pipe.
The clips for the wrist pin. I just reuse the ones that are in the motor. Not to say that they can't, but they don't go bad. The biggest thing to watch for when rebuilding a motor. Make sure the crankshaft isn't compromised. That can cause you problems. Also, some people don't agree with this, but I say seal the motor, seal the backplate, and the carb. The biggest problem with motors, is that many of the cheaper ones. Have a ton of air leaks. So you don't get maximum performance from the motor.
Yes I am sure the sleeve will work. I have crossed them many times, the back plates are compatible too. They are an exact match. The backplate from a mach with also fit on a lrp z.28r. I don't have any proof other than my word. If you have any doubt, then just order the m.26ss piston and sleeve. the mach sleeve is just more aggressively ported. The only motor I have right now is a mach 4.27, and its a crappy gold headed one. Btw there is a difference between the gold headed mach and the teal headed mach. The teal headed mach has a larger carb, intake hole on it. In case you wanted to know.
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RE: new to engine teardown.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_6451057/tm.htm difference in the machs
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RE: new to engine teardown.
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yes the 427 is a .26
4.27cc = .2605713872845 cubic inches.
ORIGINAL: iexion
The 427 is a .26?!?!?
Well I stand corrected
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No there not. I have used them before.
ORIGINAL: iexion
Won't work. Both engines are designed differently, Different timing etc...
ORIGINAL: iceracer65
i will be rebuilding mine soon too...
will this work in it? http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...rodID=LOSR1063 'be sweet if it did
i will be rebuilding mine soon too...
will this work in it? http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...rodID=LOSR1063 'be sweet if it did
Well I stand corrected
4.27cc = .2605713872845 cubic inches.
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RE: new to engine teardown.
I installed the ofna motor tonight. I'll drive it tomorrow. sorry if I offended any mach .26 fans. I just found that it didn't have enough torque for my liking ie. no wheelies. and I was running an HT pipe. I know that the ofna motor won't be better but at least I'll be running! I only ran the truck twice and the mach spin start broke.
I am interested in this mach 427 though. perhaps Santa will put one in my stocking.hehehe.
I am interested in this mach 427 though. perhaps Santa will put one in my stocking.hehehe.
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RE: new to engine teardown.
Mach"s are Not worth Rebuilding IMO......Can Find them On Ebay for a C Note (most days) and they're not much more than that New Anyways......