I was at WalMart yesterday and saw the Aero Ace along with a flying wing for abou the same price. Anyone tried the flying wing and, if so, how does it compare to the Aero Ace???

I've been flying for some time but would like to have something handy for when the grandkids show up. Looks like the Aero Ace is the perfect answer.

You bet it is, i had some 7 and 8 year old kids in my neirbor hood and they learned hod to fly it the second they got it into the air. For me it was difert, i flew mine in a garage for 6 hours because it was raining and windy

Neurotex,

if your current charger charges at a 145mah rate or lower, it would work for the cell. any higher and you're past the 1C max. the AA does it at 2C, but it "cheats" in a way, to let it charge faster without over charging the cell (probably why yours, and a lot of others lipos have gone bad so quickly). the AA charger could charge the 140 cell too, it would just take a few more minutes. you can get a decent lipo charger for a pretty good price these days. i've been using an Apache 20/20 smart charger for over a year now, for any cell between 110mah and 1200mah, 1 to 3 cells, for less than 30 bucks (same site that i linked to in the earlier post). the Apache 20/30 will do 1-8 cell NiCD/NiMH cells too.

jmir,
is it the Estes flying wing, the QuickFire (the one without the motor)? if so, its not worth the 30 bucks. it has to be very calm outside, and you need a lot of room. i only got it to fly successfully once out of 4 tries before the launcher tangled itself into the biggest knot you've ever seen. but, now i have a decent flying wing platform that could convert to RC pretty well.

nick

Has anyone tried gutting a Aeroace and putting all the stuff in one of those rubberband stick planes?
Like this one.
http://www.guillow.com/GuillowDetail...=12&FamilyId=2

Thanks again micro builder, I'm trying to get up to speed on the electric
side of this hobby. I was looking at my Cox .049s and .020 the other
day and I thing I'm done with gas powered.

My 11 year old son flew my AA with the modified Arrow wing last night
and within 5 minutes had the hang of it. Unbelievable! He tended to push
for full throttle all the time at first, which resulted in the plane climbing
about 25 feet and disappearing over the top of the house. But he managed
to circle it back and land it on the front lawn. He even had it circling the
lamp pole a few times. Tells you what an amazing plane the AA is.

bdavison, I'm finishing up a stick version now of the Strato Streak which
I plan adding another AA to. It started out as rubber powered, then I added
an Air Hogs EZ Charger motor to it. It flew great as an EZ Charger.

After chopping it up last night I had the complete plane in at 9.5 grams.
Now it's off to Target ISO of another AA.
Should have some pics soon.

Sweet, let us know how that StratoStreak flys with the AA guts.

Here's my F-15 built from Selfo plans (www.selfo.com). I'm still tweeking, but its coming along. Built from Aero Ace guts. My son was horrified that I would take them out of a perfectly good airplane. So, I've bought him one to give him on his Birthday this weekend. Looking good! There's some videos on that OTHER R/C site. Might be some here too, but I haven't checked. Properly trimed and built, they fly great. I was fortunate to see one fly at the PERF Micro R/C Fun Fly in Toledo this year. That was cool and I couldnt wait to get one made. My first adventure into Micro R/C anything.

Scott

Neurotex,
does the .049 or .020 have a carb with a throttle on it? i used to have one of those old Cox F4U .049 powered CL plane, but there was no throttle on those, just wide open. i've always wanted to try a tiny gas motor on a tiny RC plane, but i would want to be able to have speed control, and as far as i can remember, the .049 was the smallest with a throttle. a .020 with a carb and throttle on it would be perfect.

good looking F-15, Scott. i've got some other .PDF files of some other AA jet platforms on my computer if you want them. there's also a couple in this thread, post #13 i think: http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_37..._1/key_/tm.htm


nick

Sorry micro builder, no carbs, just your basic mixture needle.
I also had them on CL planes. Some plastic models that flew fairly
well and a lil' Satan that I built but have never flown.
I bought the Strato Streak for $35 just for the .049 but never built it.
Instead I made a smaller version from scaled down plans. That plane
would have taken me months to build while the micro planes take a
few weeks. I was going to build some electric CL planes until this AA
came along.

bdavison, after looking at the plane in your link some more The first
thing that would have to go is that solid fuselage. That's the first thing
I removed on my SS and replaced it with a 7-11 Slurpie straw. I must
have saved 3 grams right there. The tail would work. Not sure about
those flat wings either. Not much there to produce any lift unless you
steam and curl them into an air foil shape.
I believe I saw one at the begining of this thread that was later turned
into a tri-plane. I'm guessing he added another wing to get that added lift.
(and that Strato Streak pic to the right of it is not an original Strato design)

Sharp looking plane Hello Scott! Clean lines and nicely cut.
Gota love those jets...


This is the Strato Streak I plan to use for the next AA. I believe any of the
old timer's plans from the 40's and 50's would make excellent flyers for
the AA since they're well proven. Taking the extra time to build up a wing
and stab would be well worth it since the construction is pretty straight forward.
Also the 5 rudders, although it might take some patience to trim, should get
the AA to fly straight.
All I need now is to build a balsa box for the receiver.

Here's the pic of the balsa box which houses the battery & receiver.


After a partial tack assembly to check for CG I discovered I'm too tail
heavy again. I could use the original SS tail but that means adding
about 2 grams of weight to the nose. Since I want performance and all
the vertical lift I can get I decided to cut a foam stab and conventional
rudder. Not what I was hoping for at all.
What I should do is experiment with a tractor design but I want to get
it flying this weekend.
After trying out the foam tail and shortening the straw I've got the total
weight of the completed plane down to 18.5 grams. That's about 3 grams
lighter than the stock AA.
I'm hoping for at least a 60 degree climb.

Finished it up this morning but the ground's soaked from the rain last night.
Maybe a test flight later today.

Made several test flights in the backyard (not enough room). Flys straight
and at full throttle climbs almost vertical. The question now is how high can
I floor it before she stalls? Maybe I can complete a full loop. She cruises level
at it's lowest throttle and landing is tricky. She wants to climb. I don't want to
give it any down elevator yet until I see if I can loop her. Too windy for the
park so I'll just have to wait.

Neurotex,
That is a very nice plane you have!!
I like all the work you are doing to it.

-Cobalt saber

looks good, Neurotex, i like those old classic designs. 18 grams is pretty good, she should float really well, and because of that, you'll have to watch out for wind gusts. i bet a good breeze would blow that thing a fair distance. there's no telling how far the plane will climb before it stalls, but if you use the throttle right, you should be able to get loops out of it (making it climb and stall till it goes all the way over, you can do it with a stock AA, i'm sure yours will too).

have you done the steering with no throttle mod to the transmitter? if not, you should, its quick and easy and it would make those landings a lot easier.

nick

It's been raining all day here so I'm working on another project.
I'm sure I can manage a loop with the SS if I get it going fast enough
into a good breeze. Even though it's lighter it seems a bit quicker
than the stock AA.

I seen the mod to the transmitter in this thread and will try it. It's
difficult making that transition between low throttle and off. Instead
of removing the spring completely has anyone tried a lighter spring?

I've been doing some research on flying wings for the AA and was
wondering what would be the best airfoil to use. I have a wing that
is 23" and after cutting it down have gotten the frame down to 5 gms.
Covering would add about a gram so that leaves me with about 5 or
6 gms to build up a fuse and rudders. It could be done I believe.

Here are the 3 views I made up. I'm not sure about the dihedral or the
placement of the tail.


Here are the sites I've been looking at: [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_wing]Flying Wing Wikipedia[/link]

Especially check out the link "Lippisch Nurflugels" on this site for
some interesting 3 views- [link=http://www.nurflugel.com/Nurflugel/nurflugel.html]Nurflugels![/link]

This site also has some interesting designs that could work for the AA-
[link=http://members.cox.net/rebid/bldwing.htm]Future[/link]

One of the problems I had with a tractor design is removing the
props. I knew if I used screw drivers I might break the prop
or even bend the motor shaft. So on my lunch hour today I made
a prop puller.

The puller bracket was made from an old dip stick with a hole drilled
at the top. The 8-32 machine screw was ground down at the end
slightly smaller than the motor shaft so as not to ruin the hole in the
prop. The nut doesn't have to be glued since the bracket keeps it
from turning.

Neurotex, I really like your flying wing idea!
That will be cool to see finished.

-Cobalt Saber

This is my attempt at building a micro using AA electronics. It is a (semi-scale)model of the famous "Vin Fiz" (1911 Wright Model EX). Built from 2mm Depron,bass and balsa woods. A 6% foil, 12" span x 11" OAL weighing 21 grams. She flies as an R/C plane should, gentle climbs and descents, no porpoising. Turns are relatively flat and smooth with little loss of altitude. Figure 8's in a 20x40 foot space. Level flight speed approx 8-10 knots @5/8 throttle. Great outdoor flier in(no wind) as well as Gym flier. Much attention was paid to weight,incidence, dihedral,CG,and thrust line to achieve this, but it worked and worked well.

it26b [sm=lol.gif]

Thanks Cobalt Saber, right now I'm doing more research
than building.

Amazing plane it26b!
It's one of those builds where I wish I could see it in flight.

I've ha[img][/img]d my aero ace for some time and it has worked great. I modified it to fly real slow by adding lots of wing area (taped on 1/32 x 3 inch ba[img][/img]lsa wood additions to each wing tip with one inch overhang at the back trailing edge matching the wing curve. The extra wing area didn't seem to slow the plane down much ( must have lots of reserve power) so I also added a bit of extra elevator trim area with up trim and got the plane to fly at a fast walking pace. "Way cool" --- with the elevator mod it didn't turn very well but I just read that if you turn the motors slightly to the nose of the plane it will aid the turns greatly. With the extra wing area added I had to add a bit of nose weight via a small screw. I think if I trimmed some of the added wing area off the leading wing edge which should move the center of lift backward I should be able to remove the nose weight. If you add extra wing area be sure to look at the plane from the front and be sure that each leading edge and trailing edge are level with each other both back to front as well as left to right.

I've also heard that some people took off the bottom wing and glued it to the end of the top wing. (Should be less total air drag and plane should fly slightly faster.)

I see no pictures.....

[EDIT] 200th post!!!!!!!!!
YAY!!!

Okay so, I was flying and I knew something was wrong.
The right motor has something wrong with it.
It will stop very quickly and it dose not spin freely like the left motor dose.
Can anyone help me?
Has anyone had this problem before
I cant fly tell I fix it so I hope to fix it soon.

Thanks,

Cobalt Saber

Can't really tell without seeing it Cobalt. Might want to check
and see if the prop is pushed on too tight up against the motor.
Some shaft should be showing between the prop and motor- check
for lint or other gunk. Never tried lubricating these motors yet
so I can't tell you about seizing problems.

Hey HelloScott, how did you get your F-15 AA body? i'm thinking about geting one. How dose it handle? is it like flying a AA? faster?


-Cobalt Saber

Has anyone tried making a little body for the AA that looks like a EF-2000 Euro Fighter?

051223sl,

you know, I have seen a kit for the Typhoon that looked like it would fly with the AA guts, but I can't seem to relocate the site at the time...I wonder if it would fly backward in a sharp turn like the real one does?...


PB_2

Hello, need some professional AA help!

I've been into r/c cars and trucks for 17 years, but had never been near a plane. after reading this forum, I went out and bought one from TRU yesterday.

This morning at 6am, it was dead calm outside so I couldn't stand the suspense any longer! I went out in the middle of the field and it all became pretty comical. Wasn't long before I was chunking a stick up in the tree 300 feet away trying dislodge the beast. I learned really fast about the not flying too high, or too far away. I couldn't really get it to fly more than a minute or 2 straight, but eventually I learned not to oversteer it or over throttle it and I was coming right along....

By the 5th or 6th time I hand launched it and got the hang of it, I kept that little bugger in the air for like 7 or 8 minutes straight! OMG OMG OMG OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was hooked! Ready to sell all my cars and trucks, and overall pleased with my superhuman natural flying ability I was on top of the world! Until............................................. .............

My battery was going dead, and it didn't want to get up and go, so back to the house I went to drink a diet coke and recharge my new found friend. Then the crappy part of this story struck................... I don't know what the HECK is wrong with this thing, but it's apparently done. I have tried to launch this thing like 20 times straight and it just simply will not fly! No matter if I throw it hard or soft, half throttle, or full throttle, it only does one thing now. Goes straight up about 4 feet and BAM, saharp nose dive into the ground every single time I've tweaked every thing you can tweak and this thing will not fly. Motors are going strong.

I thought maybe the wet grass had screwed it up so I went in the house and wiped it off and dryed it with a hair dryer and same old thing... It won't fly. I've boxed it back up and am gonna take it back (or try to). Only question is, do I buy another one or end my pilot career right now. I will admit that the 8 minutes straight I was up that one time, was one of the best times of my life... It was cool!

Any thoughts on why it suddenly won't fly?