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Old 07-08-2006 | 08:51 PM
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Update on the 3 battery vs 6 tip.
This works on only 1 of the 3 transmitters I have. The transmitter is on but nothing functions. I'll have to see if I can figure out what the differences between these transmitters is.

Sorry about that
Old 07-08-2006 | 09:44 PM
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is one transmitter new and the other 2 older, that might have something to do with it. cause they have made some that have updated tx's and updated recievers.
Old 07-08-2006 | 10:59 PM
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I'm going out on a limb here, but the controller mod(turn w/o throttle) rocks. I flew both my bipes and a jet up high and brought them home. My next plan is to figure out how to stunt the bipes. A 15w soldering iron is $8. A 10 packof the diodes is $3. On page 16 you will find the pic that shows you where to solder. I would recommend a mag glass, but I did the work without one. But I will probably buy a pair of glasses for my next mod. All purchases were made at radio shack.

It sounds like I'm talking ----, but I had both the jet and a bipe over 100 feet in moderate wind, and brought them both home.

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Old 07-08-2006 | 11:22 PM
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btw, when I put the diodes in I could find no difference in the board.
But I wasn't looking to hard. The board did have a different letter. The one on page 16 is a 05 board and is an a board. The 2 I put the mod on are 06 boards and they were g boards. It seemed like the newer boards were cheaper than the 05 board I used as a check.
The coding on the boards does not seem to have anything to do with the frequency, i.e. a does not equal an a tx.
Old 07-08-2006 | 11:30 PM
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Does anyone have a source of planes other than aamods? TRU is no longer part of amazon, but was out of stock last I checked.
Old 07-09-2006 | 06:49 AM
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Well none of my wing modifications worked. I tried adding to top, then to bottom, tried trimming the balsa a little, looked like more lift but I couldn't control the plane, it just wildly dipped to the side. So I took them off. the wheels and pins thing worked okay until I lost one of the wheels in a crash. Had some more great miracle flights though, with the aa in stock config. I find that full throttle until I get about 20' up works, then throttle down to about 1/4 to ride whatever lift or wind I can find. Also flies without dipping at 1/4 throttle. Interested in the throttle bypass mod but does that just give you full throttle all the time, spread between two motors? My next mod is a cheap stopwatch glued to the transmitter! I keep flying too long then the motors die and it glides into the trees. Thankfully it has fallen down or otherwise has been recoverable. With the stopwatch I can limit my high flying to 6 minutes then keep it lower until the juice runs out.

Has anybody tried regular cheap spray paint on this foam? will it dissolve? I don't have any extra foam to test.
Old 07-09-2006 | 07:05 AM
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Some of the aerodynamics of the aero ace just don't seem right. Like the elevator fins have to be slightly down, and once it gets going, why can I climb better at 1/4 throttle than full? Does the prop blast mess with the aerodynamics perhaps?

Has anyone tried shortening the tube to the tail fins, would that bring the nose down slightly? I can't try it until I get to the store to buy another plane.

If anybody here knows of a decent link that focuses on aerodynamics of the slow speed micro r/c world that would be really interesting to review.

I wonder - to you guys who have gone for it and gutted the airframe to mess about with your own planes - without any airframe at all, does it seem like these motors/props, transmitter & batt have enough thrust to overcome their own weight vertically? I'll look through the posts again.
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Old 07-09-2006 | 11:05 AM
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You get more continuous lift at 1/4 throttle because at full throttle you keep getting into a stall situation. The probably doesn't happen once the battery starts losing power. Adding down elevator forces the nose down and aleviates some of the stall. Adding up elevator increases the angle of attack of the wings and the plane will fly slower, so it will not climb into the stall.
Moving the battery forward gets rid of a lot of the stall and you'll climb faster without adding weight.


Since others have posted pics of their landing gear, I figured I will too. Mine was done quite a while ago. I was going to use the landing gear and wheels from and old $2 balsa stick rubber band flyer, but made these out of buttons and pins. I have a choice of 2 hole or 4 hole buttons. I used 4 hole because they're a little lighter. I drilled the center with a #72 bit and pin vise. A drop of CA on the inside edge of the axle stops the wheel from going too far inside. I can easily take off and land on my pop-up camper top.


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Old 07-09-2006 | 05:50 PM
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Now that's the kind of trunk space you like to see in a late model car! Nice clean treatment Gary, I spent almost all day working with blue foam to get a decent landing gear setup, have a decent one gluing up now. Your landing gear is sweet! Looks way light. Today I did get many controlled flights using two red rubber band plane wheels and pins, definitely could fly it around. But no rolling take off except for hand height or better, but some good landings. Just what I'm seeing, more control later in the flight if I don't down throttle. The blue foam is pretty easy to work with (I would say advance for kids), I hope to make a flying construction from it, it's light but fragile. It looks like you painted your plane, mine looks pretty torn up by now. One thing I notice with the landing gear and about a 4 mph wind, I could do some great slow speed maneuvering. My aileron flaps have come off from repeated adjustment. Hoping to get another plane tomorrow! Maybe try to dissect it myself and make a custom fuselage some time next week.

Old 07-10-2006 | 07:04 AM
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I have to agree with, Tim. The steering mod is a " MUST ". Update on my mono w/jet guts. After a little trail and error, this thing flies great!! I have landing gear ( .032 wire w/ du-pro tail wheels, total about $4 and only .8 grams ) it takes offs at 1/2 throttle in about 6'. It makes tight 5' turns also. Total weight is at 19.4 grams. I will try to get some pics soon.

Is it OK to run 3v 10,000 mcd LED ? or sould I use 2 1.7v 3000 mcd.. I want to put lights on my other planes but don't want to pay more than $15 like I did for my first set!
Old 07-10-2006 | 07:55 AM
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rolling takeoff in 5 feet! that is amazing. Also My latest landing gear idea didn't work, one big wheel in front with foam skids on the tail fins. Thing just flops over, back to the d. b. I guess hot wheels wheels or buttons will be next.
Old 07-10-2006 | 08:43 AM
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O.K. I said 6' with full charge, but still to be able to take off in even less than 10' is great for me. I can land and take off all day.. I used a small piece of a pop can to make the tail skid, very light. My 1st set of wheels was made from paper clip, hot wheels, and sm. plastic wedge. worked great but was very heavy at 2.3 grams. Buttons will work but I had a heck of a time drilling the center hole. Besides the tail wheels you can get your LHS. To hold my wheels in place I just used a sm. piece of a O ring.
Old 07-10-2006 | 09:00 AM
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hi everyone, i'm new to e-flying and decided 4 days ago to buy an aero ace... this thing is very fun to fly. my back yard is full of obstacle and i getting better at avoiding them. have to admit thou that the first 2 days the plane ended 4-5 times in the pool, but it's a good thing it's foam .

i already made 3 mod to my aero ace. 1- remove the throttle spring. 2- the steering w/o throttle mod. 3- one of my own (but i'm sure lot of people here did it) using a 8xAA nicad pack. i used a voltage regulator (AN7805) to feed the third wire (1-grd, 2- +9v, 3- +6v). everything goes very well.

i only have one thing, that i think it's a problem. i don't know anybody that flyes or got this airplane, so i need your help. i really have problem to glide... when i'm at the lower throttle the plane flyes at an angle of 10-15 degrees and as soon as i release the throttle the plane climb a Little bit and then stall. after 15 feets of falling the nose go up climb a little bit and stall again. it does just like a sheet of paper you drop. i feel like the plane is tail heavy, am i right? i read people here that place the battery more to the nose. i would like to try that but i don't know how to open the plane to get there... and i don't want to wreck anything.

can you help me with that??

and at last. does cutting away the nodules really help or do anything? the way they are placed they could also work as "vortex generator". some full size aircraft got these, if i remember well some Cessna (170-180 series), Fokker-100 and md-80 got some. it "lighten" the air on top of the wing witch increases lift.

thank you.
Old 07-10-2006 | 09:09 AM
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ORIGINAL: novielo
....the plane flyes at an angle of 10-15 degrees and as soon as i release the throttle the plane climb a Little bit and then stall. after 15 feets of falling the nose go up climb a little bit and stall again. ....
You can move the battery forward or add some down elevator. It will also climb faster that way.
Old 07-10-2006 | 11:50 AM
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or you could put a penny in the nose of the plane.
Old 07-10-2006 | 01:20 PM
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or you could some landing gear.
Old 07-10-2006 | 02:47 PM
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i haven't read anything conclusive in these posts about those nodules but asked that myself, the remnants of the foam injection process or whatever. But probably just coincidence that they are used in some aircraft, and are also seen here. I have shaved all of them off of the upper wing surfaces and fuselage. Didn't do the undersides because of the concave surface, no tool to do it. and my aero ace biplane flies like a champ! So i say they are probably not necessary.

I bought a C radio aa today, I think it's an orange one. They still aren't easy to find in my area.
Old 07-10-2006 | 02:53 PM
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thank you for your response. but how to open the plane to move that lipo?
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novielo, moving the battery forward may help, but it sounds like an early 05 model. My first one had a glide ratio of about 1/10.

The nacelles appear to be part of the motor mount assy. The motor has a peg that is fitted into the nacelle.

also a pushpin will work well.
Old 07-10-2006 | 05:07 PM
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Hi all, Just experienced m first mechanical failure. One of the props on my jet broke a blade. I hit a cable and it dropped like a rock. Now I have to decide on repair methods. Tim
Old 07-10-2006 | 05:13 PM
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Hey all!

Well now I've gone and done it!![X(]

While looking for a cheap addition to my X-Twin fleet here in the UK (found a source, tell you when I've got mine) I saw the plane below.....

It's called a Minitype Flyer. It's cheaper than the X-Twin, it's got 1 motor plus a mag actuator on the rudder so it steers differently. It's about the same size (or lack of...) It looks wickedly fast in the promo video!

Comes with LiPo, 6-cell tranny and charge at field facility like our old friend. I can't find it in the forums here but I think it's also known as the Wattage Micro-flyer or similar so I'll have another look.

Any constructive criticism on offer?

Cheers

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Old 07-10-2006 | 05:14 PM
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thank you ferndale, sorry but my first language is french... what is exactly the nacelle? and by push pin you meen these thing we use to hold thing on cork board?

i just tried the penny trick, i taped it under the belly of the plane. i did not realy worked, i felt like i had a rock at the end of a fishing pole...[] and it did not turned well at all.
Old 07-10-2006 | 05:43 PM
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ooops, just found 1000's of threads under Wattage Micro-Flyer.....

A

PS still welcome the comments tho'
Old 07-10-2006 | 05:47 PM
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They're available at [link=http://www.hobbytron.com/MiniTypeFlyerRCAirplane.html]Hobbytron[/link] for $20. Looks like (from the video) you have to feather the rudder when turning.

They also have [link=http://www.hobbytron.com/Watt-Age-Parts-Landing-Gear-Micro-Flyer.html]landing gear [/link] for the micro flyer that may fit an AA for $3.95. Don't know how much they weigh, though.
Old 07-10-2006 | 06:07 PM
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Novielo...To get at the lipo all you have to do is pull the two sides apart at the nose.It comes apart pretty easy and should stick right back together,,if not a little white glue will do the trick,


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