Do i need a tail revo mix ?
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From: nijmegen, NETHERLANDS
HI,
I am going to connect my Heli with seperate ESC's, but do i need a tail revo mix when using a heading lock gyro like the CSM HLG200?
THNX
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I am going to connect my Heli with seperate ESC's, but do i need a tail revo mix when using a heading lock gyro like the CSM HLG200?
THNX
Vincent
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No, revo mixing is not nescesary using heading hold. Infact, using it will cause problems, so make sure it's disabled. The only time you need a mix is if you're flying in rate mode.
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Credence is absolutely right.
Using revo mix when the gyro is switched to heading hold will
cause the neutral or center position to constantly change.
Tricky flying [X(] but it may be fun
Using revo mix when the gyro is switched to heading hold will
cause the neutral or center position to constantly change.
Tricky flying [X(] but it may be fun
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A standard rate gyro will initalize, and then every time it senses a movement in terms of degrees, it will tell the tail to go back that same exact ammount in degrees, sort of like a one shot deal. Tail moves 5 degrees, gyro sends tail 5 degrees back, end of story. It's cheap and effective.
However, as is common among all rate gyros, eventually the tail will begin to drift to one side or the other as the gyro only sends corrections as it senses them. Another problem with rate gyros is that during very sharp throttle changes, or in the event of a crosswind, the tail can lag behind or swing out, which of course, can cause problems if you're in fast forward flight or new to flying.
A heading hold gyro on the other hand is aware of it's position. When it's intalized, it will take note of it's heading. As the helicopter is running, the gyro will constantly give input to the servo, regardless of wether it's actually moving or not, to keep it as close as possible to it's set heading. As soon as you hit the rudder and point the heli in a new direction, the gyro memorizes the new heading and locks the tail into that position untill you tell it otherwise, and so and and so forth. In this case, crosswinds and sharp throttle changes do not affect the gyro because it's constantly giving input to the tail and so doesn't need to play "catch up" like a rate gyro would, so you don't get the swingout effect.
A good heading hold gyro can make all the difference in how a helicopter performs in the air, so it's usually wise not to go cheap on them.
Rate gyros work just fine, but you won't get the rock solid performance you get from a heading hold gyro.
However, as is common among all rate gyros, eventually the tail will begin to drift to one side or the other as the gyro only sends corrections as it senses them. Another problem with rate gyros is that during very sharp throttle changes, or in the event of a crosswind, the tail can lag behind or swing out, which of course, can cause problems if you're in fast forward flight or new to flying.
A heading hold gyro on the other hand is aware of it's position. When it's intalized, it will take note of it's heading. As the helicopter is running, the gyro will constantly give input to the servo, regardless of wether it's actually moving or not, to keep it as close as possible to it's set heading. As soon as you hit the rudder and point the heli in a new direction, the gyro memorizes the new heading and locks the tail into that position untill you tell it otherwise, and so and and so forth. In this case, crosswinds and sharp throttle changes do not affect the gyro because it's constantly giving input to the tail and so doesn't need to play "catch up" like a rate gyro would, so you don't get the swingout effect.
A good heading hold gyro can make all the difference in how a helicopter performs in the air, so it's usually wise not to go cheap on them.
Rate gyros work just fine, but you won't get the rock solid performance you get from a heading hold gyro.
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So would revo mixing help get you closer to the performance of a HH Gyro ??? DOes it counter for sharp throttle changes ?
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Yes, the purpose of the revo mix is to essentially give the gyro a headstart so that you don't get heavy swingouts during throttle changes. Without a revo mix, the rate gyro would still work (albeit it would drift alot) if you throttle up and down VERY slowly (assuming your tail linkages are setup properly). But if you punch or kill the throttle, the helicopters tail will basically swing out very sharply because the gyro can't respond quick enough to counteract the ammount of torque being placed on the tail so quickly. Remember, a rate gyro only corrects when it senses movement, a heading hold will correct wether there is movement or not, so it doesn't have to play catch up like a rate gyro does, hence theres no need for a revo mix on a heading hold gyro.
This is my general understanding of how the two different gyros work. Some of my operational knowledge here may not be 100% right. I'm sure someone else will chime in if i've said something stupid.
This is my general understanding of how the two different gyros work. Some of my operational knowledge here may not be 100% right. I'm sure someone else will chime in if i've said something stupid.



