Dave Shawntz has my Wendell Hostetler Cess 172 kit, that includes, fiber glass wheel pants, fiberglass cowl, windsheild, nose strut, main landing gear, I believe Lazer Lizard wood to build my 172, and plans. He also has my 3W 85I opposed twin engine and pipes, I gave him $1500.00 toward building fee"s, he has my things for over 5 years, and he will not take my calls, and he changed his email address, I believe he does not wish to return my items to me. This is not a money issue it is a matter of principal.. Either do what you say you were going or be a man and return my items and $$ so I can have someone else build it for me.

My next step is to fly to you and file a police report. I would really not like to have to do that.

5 yrs seems like a long time. i wonder what the police would do? it might be too long for them to take action. you may have to fly there and take matters into you're own hand.

just saying.

Is he in the US?
Do you have records of sending all this stuff to him?
Letters, emails, etc, etc.

Could you not file a report at your local police stn, and have him charged with theft?

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I do have emails from me to him, and him to me, when I get back from Florida jets, I will persue with police. JC!!

this has been going on 5 yrs????

Wow, after 1 year I would have wanted an answer to my items and progress, if he is avoiding you then it is a legal matter, file the police report or take him to small claims court. That will go on his public record for anyone, even creditors to see, that will hamper anything he applies for in the future.

It has been going on for 5 years, he always has an answer to why he didnt start the build, I am moving, or his kid was in a car accident, his other kid in in the service, just always stalling me until now when I asked for my things back, he does not answer his phone, and he changed his email addy. Joe C!!

Hi All,

David Schwantz (not Shawntz) from Minnesota finished a Ziroli Corsair for me last year after the original builder ran out of steam on the project. Although it took a bit longer that originally estimated, the final product was simply outstanding, and I am extremely satisfied with the result. I found Dave fair to deal with, responsive to email and phone calls, and generally a pleasant fellow. And, his workmanship is absolutely second to none.

In short, there's got to be more to the story, OR, we're talking about a different guy!

John

John your way off base,there is NO more to the story just because you were lucky and got your plane built, doesnt mean I got the wrong guy, please do not come on this thread and defend him, he is a theif, a fraud, a liar, a pleasant fellow does not steal your plane, that is what your pleasant dave did to me.

Whoa, he was just stating his dealings with him, not defending him, just what his experence was. If your that pent up about it, go the legal route, but don't bash other people because one guy wronged you.

no offence intended, if you buy a kit and pay for someone else to build it then what is the point. you may aswell go blow ur hard earned bucks on an arf,

I agree with John. Dave is a good guy and a master craftsman. He just rebuilt a wing for me. I haven't gone to pick it up from him yet, but I'm sure it will be perfect.

I am only bashing him, so others don"t get screwed by him. If I am that pent up about it, why I shouldn"t be, are you so willing for someone to screw you, and will see how pent up you get, don"t worry about which way I need to go, worry about yourself.

what are you talking about, you have any idea, re read the threads.

there you go, you havent pick it up yet, but its only a wing and you live by him I guess, good luck with your wing. How good of a guy is he, what he did to me, and what about the insurance fraud, his court date is coming now in March, ya he really is a good guy.

I am sure he got wind of this by now...
Wonder what happens next

I've been screwed may a times, but I'm not throwing people under the bus because someone screwed me. I still believe that to each their own, you'll get what's owed to you. Sure it's cash, sure it's principal, but you do realize that slander is an offence in it's own. So I do hope you get your plane back and and mony owed to you, but bashing him and hope people jump on the band-wagon with pitch forks and torches is a far fetch. Just persue it legally and see where it goes, don't slam innocent people because they have a opinnion on the matter and it doesn't fit in line with yours. With that, I have more important things to waste my life on than this thread, like building my own hostetler kit.

Nobody ask you to read this thread, nor do I need your post, Slander, paleeze, you probaly wouldn"t mind getting screwed the way you sound, but I don"t like it, and if you have a problem with this thread dont come in here and read it, or waste your time. How can you say dont slam innocent people, who said he was innocent, he stole from me and he did an insurance fraud, if you dont like it, too bad.

Don't let the trolls get to ya Joey. You know damn good and well this Dave character is full of *****. He should be lucky that you're going to the police instead of buy'n a plane ticket and paying this fool a visit.

Billy

so tell us why you didnt go to the police over there or small claims courts as soon as he started avoiding you. I agree with plainbuilder whats point bashing about it on here when you could be doing it in a letter to your athoroties over there and letting people who can do sumat about it deal with it. all it needs is a moderator to come in here and see the argument and the thread will be locked

This is just ashame! I have built for others and never encountered a problem, but mostly for folks I know. I require constant communication with constructive comments discussed in an open and non confrontational venue. I have never used it but my policy is the moment either party is disatisfied then the building contract is voided, monies, parts, plane would be returned without hesitation.
Best wishes to all concerned.

what threads i see no link to any thread in here apart from whats attached to bottom of my posts. so enlighten me please what degree of fun do you get by buying a kit and so forth and leting somone else build it. if they build the plane wrong which even experts can make mistakes and it comes down and hurts someone whos to blame, the builder of the plane or the pilot who had the plane built for him.

He's talking about you bashing everyone who disagrees with you, not about the guy who you sent your plane to.


Right. Keep it up and you won't be able to vent.




What do you call it when you accuse someone of something w/o proof? I don't see anything you've posted that proves that you're even talking about the same person (2 different spellings of the name?) and the report of the insurance fraud isn't a link to a news website so for all we know it could be fabricated. And there's no reason to assume from the "report" that the airplane is yours. All it says is the guy they're referring to was accused of filing a fraudulent insurance claim for the damage of a model airplane.

If I were you I'd be careful what I said. As planebuilder said, slander IS a crime. I feel bad for you and your situation but don't make it worse just because you're pissed.






Mike

f16jc,

Hey, I'm only relating one mans (contrary) experience with David Schwantz. If you don't like it, well then, just move on!

Since you decided to make it personal, I will note that Dave does have some rather stringent provisions in his builder's contract designed to weed out shysters, deadbeats, and other miscreants, who don't fulfill their part of the contract. Perhaps you fall into one of these categories [>:]?

Cheers,

John