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I agree with you smaxx, and that's how NASCAR keeps their ratings up I guess.
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and on the ignore list you go... duh, the elise has a toyota engine
A gigantic smile and a wink isn't enough to tell sarcasticness I guess. Seriously Kemo, your not the only person on the forums that know about cars...

I liked the smile and wink
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Why do you think I would say forget Toyota and just happen to say Elise, I know it runs a Toyota engine...just having a good laugh is all. [8D]
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i've never thought of the engine toyota is going to use, i don't think i've ever heard of a V8 from toyota. this will be one of their first pushrod engines and i think it will take them a little while to get the motor right. but chevy, ford or dodge would have to let them use their engine block, if they use it without their permission they could run into some problems. i don't want toyota in this awesome sport of american cars (or at least american designed cars). i think they should stick to drifting and F1.
I don't know much about engine manufacturers and crap so correct me if I'm wrong, but what engine is then in the V8 Tundra, sequia, 4runner, RX330, GX470, etc...? Is that not a toyota V8?
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Just so that I wouldn't look like a complete idiot, I just went to the Toyota website and this is what I just found:


4.0L = V6 Engine

4.7L = V8 Engine

5.7L = V8 Engine

There you go, at least 2 V-8's in their lineup. This was found under the Tundra listing under options.
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Just so that I wouldn't look like a complete idiot, I just went to the Toyota website and this is what I just found:


4.0L = V6 Engine

4.7L = V8 Engine

5.7L = V8 Engine

There you go, at least 2 V-8's in their lineup. This was found under the Tundra listing under options.
haha so there I was right! What now smaxx? Huh you got owned! You just can't deal... nope

lol jk
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toyota has v8's, but they are over head cam engines. they do NOT however, produce a v8 for their production vehicles that is a pushrod engine. they can not get the power out of them without the overhead cams.
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toyota has v8's, but they are over head cam engines. they do NOT however, produce a v8 for their production vehicles that is a pushrod engine. they can not get the power out of them without the overhead cams.
whatever, pretty much what you are saying is that the engines they use for the nascar races is not an in house developed engine, so they must have gotten it from another manufacturer. Since the chassis is pretty much the same for all cars, and the engine is not a toyota engine then the only thing different about "toyota" nascars is the body style. What are all you guys griping about? A different body style? So what if toyota joins, just more competition.
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haha so there I was right! What now smaxx? Huh you got owned! You just can't deal... nope

lol jk
did you even read the 2nd sentance i put?
i don't think i've ever heard of a V8 from toyota.
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I say let them race! If any company is going to build cars in the US providing good jobs then I consider them American.
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haha so there I was right! What now smaxx? Huh you got owned! You just can't deal... nope

lol jk
did you even read the 2nd sentance i put?
i don't think i've ever heard of a V8 from toyota.
and? You said you'd never heard of a V8 from toyota and I told you they have several V8's in their trucks and SUV's...
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i don't THINK i've heard. man lay off a little, ive never heard of a V8 from toyota, so what i don't like that cheap forgien junk and i don't fallow what they come out with. the only companys i fallow are chevy, ford, and dodge. and thats all that madders to me, i could careless about toyota. and that is why i don't like them comeing into nascar.
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i don't THINK i've heard. man lay off a little, ive never heard of a V8 from toyota, so what i don't like that cheap forgien junk and i don't fallow what they come out with. the only companys i fallow are chevy, ford, and dodge. and thats all that madders to me, i could careless about toyota. and that is why i don't like them comeing into nascar.
dude I was joking, you see the jk and the smiley? That meant that I was dead serious and thought you were the biggest idiot in the world for not knowing toyota had a V8
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Did anyone read today's issue of USA Today?
Here's a link to the article online, it's worth a look at. Read it all.
Did you know that the Ford Fusion is made in Mexico? The Monte Carlo in Canada? With some of your mindsets I guess that they shouldn't run in the Cup series either!
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/motor...0-toyota_x.htm
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I say let Toyota race. Most of their production vehicles are made in both Japan AND the USA. Since they are racing the Camry, and the Camry is made in the USA, I don't see a problem. No, they don't have a V8 engine out for a family sized sedan, but this gives them a chance to come out with something new, and make them an even BIGGER company. Over the years, Toyota has become more and more popular in the United States. It was all about the Camaros, and Mustangs, and Chargers back in the day, but today, every time I go out somewhere and we're standing at a stop light, my dad always says, "Wow, look at this, Camry, Camry, Camry!(the cars surrounding us) American cars are in trouble, these should all be Fords, and Chevys, and Dodges." But they aren't. More Americans buy Toyota due to their quality and the reliability of their cars. Their cars also get twice or even three times as many miles to the gallon then a Ford Mustang can get.
I say if Toyota can put out quality cars, then they can sure put out a quality V8 for them. I say they should get a chance in Nascar, not only because they are the most popular car maker in the US, but because they can put together a quality ride.
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i don't like that cheap forgien junk
Did you ever consider all the robots used to make your domestic cars are manufactured in Asia?

I don't understand how you could call all foreign cars junk, many of the best cars are made in other countries.

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Put it this way, I've considered myself a hard-core GM man for all of my life but the past few that I've owned have been to put it nicely, junk. For my next ride, I've been looking at what the Asian companies have to offer.
You're sitting here typing your replies on a foreign-made computer and most likely anything electronic in your home was made overseas. Whatever R/c vehicle that you own more than likely has a Japanese-made radio system and either if it's nitro powered, Italian or Japanese engine yet that didn't stop you from buying one. If you run electric power, where do you think that the motor came from?
Yes, I'm a union member and have been for 34+ years of USW currently.
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Good points, both Ron and Inverted.

I agree that the foreign and domestic production and marketing practices have become blurred in recent years, and sometimes it seems totally reversed. I honestly believe this is a strength in products available to all.
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I followed nascar almost from the beginnings, at least from the mid fifties. There was a time when the cars were real, not really allowed that much modification. Sort of a proving gound for the mfgrs.
They are not real cars anymore, just large scale HOT WHEELS,and the racing Has become the professional rasslin" of motor sports. Orchestrated wins for their special little darlings and, oh so favored manufactor. Look at Jeff, ain't he purty? And now he has cloned hisself with JJ so He don't have to take that many risks anymore. And Junior?, hell he may not be that good but he's the INTIMIDATORS son( The guy that killed himself overdriving his own abilities to insure a win for his son,
or his sons little buddy) OK, he was good ,but nowhere near the greatest, but he was one of the dirtiest, which contributed heavily to his wins.
Now Toyota? I don't give a damn if they use the old east German Trabaut,(probably spelled wrong, but you know what I'm talking about) I am thru wasting my time with what has just become another intertainment industry, and a rather poor one at that. I'd rather be building or flying models or watching my grass grow. Jerry
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I'm back. One more thing to fix nascar. Use real cars, make them fit the production template exactly,0 tolerance. 0 engine modifications, allowing only blueprinting, balancing, and an enhanced oiling system. No after market parts in the engines, and the blocks and heads must be production items. Suspension mods allowed for safety,but must be same type as production. No brake mods, and must run a transmission available from the factory for that car. Trans coolers allowed, Same on differential. If it its a front wheel drive, must run as a front wheel drive. Can't compete? their problem, they will fix it. providing cage and racing interior of course,required, along with Hans(spelling?) device. Roof flaps allowed, but only spoilers available on production.
Will this slow them down? Sure, but even with car s available right now when properly prepared ,they could probably at least in the 160 to 170 mph range. They have been looking for ways to slow them down anyway, and their present solution to do so is to make the engine run in an unnatural state with a restrictor plate, which really sucks.
Using these methods,I believe, would provide more real competition, more interesting racing, a lot less expensive to build a car, therefore allowing more little guys a shot. Of course, power to weight ratios would have to be in allowable range.
I believe doing these things would give us racing roughly equivelant in speed to that from the eary 60s, A very good time for the fans as far as speed and competition.
If they would do this, (which they won't,its all about money and only money these days) I would be happy to return to be being a fan.
However, I'm almost 70 years old, not much of a future for them out of me. They will stick with their same old boring crap. Jerry
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According to the way you'd like to see the rules, I might as well go sit alongside the highway. No, I really don't like a lot of the rules either and don't like the points system or the Race For The Chase but little ol' me doesn't have anything to say about how they run NASCAR.
I'd love to see a competing body go up against NASCAR. I'd like to see air jacks on the cars like what the Indy cars use, the single wheel nut and fatter tires but it ain't gonna happen.
There are only 2 stock parts on a Stock Car, the floor pan and the roof, that's it. Everything else is manufacturered either in-house or aftermarket.
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Did you ever consider all the robots used to make your domestic cars are manufactured in Asia?

I don't understand how you could call all foreign cars junk, many of the best cars are made in other countries.
my moms boyfriend owns a body shop, i see alot of messed up cars. right now he has a corolla with the front end higher then the roof. it ran into the side of a F-150 at 40 mph. you tell me is a car saposed to fold in half like that?

ok another story, my dads girlfriend was driveing a honda CRV and was hit by a car in the right quarter panel just in front of the rear tire. she had the side impact airbags and all the other airbags you could get on it. when the car hit her it turned the CRV sideways and it rolled 2 times and and slid on the roof for 150 feet. none of the airbags went off, her son was taken to the hospital and got stiches in his head and he is fine now. but thank god everyone was ok. anyways back to the topic please.
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my moms boyfriend owns a body shop, i see alot of messed up cars. right now he has a corolla with the front end higher then the roof. it ran into the side of a F-150 at 40 mph. you tell me is a car saposed to fold in half like that?
You sound surprised?
A Dodge Neon wouldn't do any better.

ok another story, my dads girlfriend was driveing a honda CRV and was hit by a car in the right quarter panel just in front of the rear tire. she had the side impact airbags and all the other airbags you could get on it. when the car hit her it turned the CRV sideways and it rolled 2 times and and slid on the roof for 150 feet. none of the airbags went off, her son was taken to the hospital and got stiches in his head and he is fine now. but thank god everyone was ok. anyways back to the topic please.
Ok, So this story makes all foreign cars junk LOL.

The only thing domestic cars are doing is raising in price and lowering in quality.
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You were not around in the 50s and 60s were you Ron. No way like sitting by the highway and watching the cars go by. IMO the best nascar racing that ever was, and the best drivers. Any number of them could have eaten whiney boys lunch. Jerry
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let them run... face it you guys just looked at the stats of the trucks... toyota came in and domonated, and you just dont want to see your chevy's coming in second and third... the way i look at it, this is a free country, ford and gm both race cars over seas, do they not? just something to think about... if any of you have heard of ricky bobby or watched the movie, what is that all about? the best wanting to race the best. racing is more than what equipment is being used, its more than a logo, because no single vehicle is going to have much of an advantage... just a few things to think about before puting things out...

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