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ORIGINAL: DaveG55
You can like Ford products on a personal level or not BUT at least they are NOT ASKING FOR MY TAX MONEY.
You can like Ford products on a personal level or not BUT at least they are NOT ASKING FOR MY TAX MONEY.
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Sad day. Maybe it'll make my 1994 Formula Firehawk worth more in 10 or so years.
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GM announced today that they're junking the pontiac line. Its the beginning of the end for GM cause they're addicted to the cash IV that the government has them on. It's pretty sad actually.
GM announced today that they're junking the pontiac line. Its the beginning of the end for GM cause they're addicted to the cash IV that the government has them on. It's pretty sad actually.
It looks like the government is taking a majority stake in GM. This will go thw way of other state owned auto manufacturers, withering away and consuming vast numbers of taxpayer dollars. GM should go bankrupt and the divisions sold off to people who can bring them back to life.
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The big 3 ought to join forces and create US auto or American auto company. Bet between the 3 of them they could come up with a line that is sure to compete with foreign sales.
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The big 3 ought to join forces and create US auto or American auto company. Bet between the 3 of them they could come up with a line that is sure to compete with foreign sales.
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The big 3 ought to join forces and create US auto or American auto company. Bet between the 3 of them they could come up with a line that is sure to compete with foreign sales.
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ORIGINAL: Mr. Mugen
The big 3 ought to join forces and create US auto or American auto company. Bet between the 3 of them they could come up with a line that is sure to compete with foreign sales.
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The big 3 ought to join forces and create US auto or American auto company. Bet between the 3 of them they could come up with a line that is sure to compete with foreign sales.
Kevin
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That's because Ford is an independent and not owned by some large Auto corporation...If the big 3 were to join forces, we would end up with NO, I repeat, NO American auto makers.
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Ford still has the best selling vehicle in the country, the F150. They actually retooled a escape hybrid plant to try and keep up with demand.
Mad man andrew, I can see that you're confused just by looking at your avatar. The horns are supposed to be pointing down. BOOMER SOONER!
I've driven F-bodies and Mustangs, the quality isn't even close. F bodies were fast, but were cheaply put together and felt like junk after a couple years. You can't even compare the trucks, 90's GM trucks were just plain crappy quality. They had good drivetrains, but everything else like fit and finish just sucked.
Mad man andrew, I can see that you're confused just by looking at your avatar. The horns are supposed to be pointing down. BOOMER SOONER!
I've driven F-bodies and Mustangs, the quality isn't even close. F bodies were fast, but were cheaply put together and felt like junk after a couple years. You can't even compare the trucks, 90's GM trucks were just plain crappy quality. They had good drivetrains, but everything else like fit and finish just sucked.
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Ford still has the best selling vehicle in the country, the F150. They actually retooled a escape hybrid plant to try and keep up with demand.
Mad man andrew, I can see that you're confused just by looking at your avatar. The horns are supposed to be pointing down. BOOMER SOONER!
I've driven F-bodies and Mustangs, the quality isn't even close. F bodies were fast, but were cheaply put together and felt like junk after a couple years. You can't even compare the trucks, 90's GM trucks were just plain crappy quality. They had good drivetrains, but everything else like fit and finish just sucked.
Ford still has the best selling vehicle in the country, the F150. They actually retooled a escape hybrid plant to try and keep up with demand.
Mad man andrew, I can see that you're confused just by looking at your avatar. The horns are supposed to be pointing down. BOOMER SOONER!
I've driven F-bodies and Mustangs, the quality isn't even close. F bodies were fast, but were cheaply put together and felt like junk after a couple years. You can't even compare the trucks, 90's GM trucks were just plain crappy quality. They had good drivetrains, but everything else like fit and finish just sucked.
Hahahahah...Wait. I just though of something. The F-150 may be the best selling truck in America, but the Silverado has been the best selling truck in Texas like 8 years running. I wonder why that is. Oh! Because real men drive real trucks, and real men come from Texas!
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ORIGINAL: brett65
I've driven F-bodies and Mustangs, the quality isn't even close. F bodies were fast, but were cheaply put together and felt like junk after a couple years. You can't even compare the trucks, 90's GM trucks were just plain crappy quality. They had good drivetrains, but everything else like fit and finish just sucked.
I've driven F-bodies and Mustangs, the quality isn't even close. F bodies were fast, but were cheaply put together and felt like junk after a couple years. You can't even compare the trucks, 90's GM trucks were just plain crappy quality. They had good drivetrains, but everything else like fit and finish just sucked.
Dashboard...Horrible
The side door panels.... Destroyed
floor ad seat.....Gone
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I also have a story to share:
My uncle is currently in possesion of a '94 Chevy Silverado...That Silverado started life by being bought brand new off the lot by my dad back in '94. It got treated like crap from then 'till when we gave it to my grandpa in '03. He used it as a work truck from then 'till '06. He then gave it to my uncle who's 3 kids have treated it like crap for the last 3 years. The interior has never been redone and the engine has never been rebuilt yet I bet even today it will not only beat any stock Ford in a drag race,but also in a car show.
My uncle is currently in possesion of a '94 Chevy Silverado...That Silverado started life by being bought brand new off the lot by my dad back in '94. It got treated like crap from then 'till when we gave it to my grandpa in '03. He used it as a work truck from then 'till '06. He then gave it to my uncle who's 3 kids have treated it like crap for the last 3 years. The interior has never been redone and the engine has never been rebuilt yet I bet even today it will not only beat any stock Ford in a drag race,but also in a car show.
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My experiance with Ford has not been so good. I have a 2001 F150 supercrew I bought brand new in 2000. Right now I have 58K miles on it. In the last 3 months I have had to have the right front caliper and rotor replaced($700) and the rear end rebuilt($800). The caliper stuck partially shut on rotor and burned both up. Second time it has happened since I had truck. The rear end is making noises again,so I have to take it back in for repairs. I take very good care of the truck, all maintenance has been kept up to date. Keep in mind I would expect this if I had 100K miles on it, but it only has 58K on it. Its a great looking truck, but mechanical longevtivity is lacking. Think i'll go with Toyota next time. Traded in a toyota Corolla station wagon for it. Car had 253K miles on it and still looked and ran great "sigh" I miss that car.
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Oh well[] One time it was said that the general manager of GM said that GM was so big that "so goes GM, so goes America......Now weather this was a trie statement on not I don't know.
Know That I now drive to Saturn Vues because I got pissed at ford after umpteen years......But by the grace of God I have been smart enough not to have purchased a Chrysler Product since 1975.
Used to drive Studebakers, their gone, now with Saturns they will be gone shortly......Oh well, Just let me buy some more Chines ARFS....[>:][>:]
Did see where your tax dollars could make you a 50% stock holder, thought that would make a few folks smile........They will just deduct your dividends from your due tax bill!!!!!!
Know That I now drive to Saturn Vues because I got pissed at ford after umpteen years......But by the grace of God I have been smart enough not to have purchased a Chrysler Product since 1975.
Used to drive Studebakers, their gone, now with Saturns they will be gone shortly......Oh well, Just let me buy some more Chines ARFS....[>:][>:]
Did see where your tax dollars could make you a 50% stock holder, thought that would make a few folks smile........They will just deduct your dividends from your due tax bill!!!!!!
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Too late to resurrect John DeLorean. Talk about Ford. How many of you bought the stock when it was in the $2.00 range? That number was not long ago. Ford, (F - nyse), closed around $5.15 yesterday, and is seeing $5.40+ in up and down range regularly. The $.6.00 target was not supposed to hit until late summer, according to all the expert's. Look for $12.00 by July '09. Still not too late to make a few buck's.
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ORIGINAL: MadManAndrew
I'm sorry you feel that way...
Hahahahah...Wait. I just though of something. The F-150 may be the best selling truck in America, but the Silverado has been the best selling truck in Texas like 8 years running. I wonder why that is. Oh! Because real men drive real trucks, and real men come from Texas!
ORIGINAL: brett65
Ford still has the best selling vehicle in the country, the F150. They actually retooled a escape hybrid plant to try and keep up with demand.
Mad man andrew, I can see that you're confused just by looking at your avatar. The horns are supposed to be pointing down. BOOMER SOONER!
I've driven F-bodies and Mustangs, the quality isn't even close. F bodies were fast, but were cheaply put together and felt like junk after a couple years. You can't even compare the trucks, 90's GM trucks were just plain crappy quality. They had good drivetrains, but everything else like fit and finish just sucked.
Ford still has the best selling vehicle in the country, the F150. They actually retooled a escape hybrid plant to try and keep up with demand.
Mad man andrew, I can see that you're confused just by looking at your avatar. The horns are supposed to be pointing down. BOOMER SOONER!
I've driven F-bodies and Mustangs, the quality isn't even close. F bodies were fast, but were cheaply put together and felt like junk after a couple years. You can't even compare the trucks, 90's GM trucks were just plain crappy quality. They had good drivetrains, but everything else like fit and finish just sucked.
Hahahahah...Wait. I just though of something. The F-150 may be the best selling truck in America, but the Silverado has been the best selling truck in Texas like 8 years running. I wonder why that is. Oh! Because real men drive real trucks, and real men come from Texas!
Here I thought steer and queers came from Texas? I must have heard wrong.....haha.
My pick up was made in Texas and I can say it has been a good one. The one I am speaking of has 234,000 miles on it and runs great. It's my work truck so I have no plans of replacing it until it meets it's demise.
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The Pontiac G8 is made in Australia, it is a variant of the Holden Commodore. There will probably be major job loss in Aus as Holden expected a large number of these to be exported to the USA.
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I agree with the fact that GM should've been left alone to go into bankruptcy. They would've had to restructure and rethink their entire lineup of cloned vehicles. It's ridiculous to take one model, slap on a new grille and lights and some different badges and try to pass it off as something different all together. "You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig." If they'd whittle the inventory down to the products that sell best and have the best reputations and resale values then they might be able to survive in the long run.
PS- I wish the government would've just mailed each person a $10K check instead of bailing out idiotic companies that have run themselves into the ground. The entire world would've been better off. Foreclosures and Repo's would've stopped and the leftover would've been used to pay other bills and buy fancy new giant LCD TV's and other crap nobody really needs, but wants. Me, I would've bought a few more RC's and supported the greatest hobby on Earth, cuz I NEED those!!!
PS- I wish the government would've just mailed each person a $10K check instead of bailing out idiotic companies that have run themselves into the ground. The entire world would've been better off. Foreclosures and Repo's would've stopped and the leftover would've been used to pay other bills and buy fancy new giant LCD TV's and other crap nobody really needs, but wants. Me, I would've bought a few more RC's and supported the greatest hobby on Earth, cuz I NEED those!!!
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I've driven F-bodies and Mustangs, the quality isn't even close. F bodies were fast, but were cheaply put together and felt like junk after a couple years. You can't even compare the trucks, 90's GM trucks were just plain crappy quality. They had good drivetrains, but everything else like fit and finish just sucked.
I've driven F-bodies and Mustangs, the quality isn't even close. F bodies were fast, but were cheaply put together and felt like junk after a couple years. You can't even compare the trucks, 90's GM trucks were just plain crappy quality. They had good drivetrains, but everything else like fit and finish just sucked.
Yes, I do take very good care of my cars, but still... The only thing that doesn't work on BOTH cars is my radio control buttons on the steering wheel of the Pontiac.
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Hey Whipnet, they still make Mustangs, 'nuff said.
Yes, I am not happy about my tax dollars going into a sub-par car company.
ORIGINAL: larryf333
I agree with the fact that GM should've been left alone to go into bankruptcy.
I agree with the fact that GM should've been left alone to go into bankruptcy.