Sledge aileron question
 

Hey guys, just picked up my new Sledge from Morris Hobbies in Toledo. When I got home with it I noticed not a lot of aileron throw before it hits fuse. Is this enough throw?

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Seems like there was a change to the plans about the time they added the counter-balanced elevator. The ailerons being too long was a mistake that got missed I think. Chopping 1/4" or so off the inboard end will fix it up.

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So this means I have to take the covering off so I can realign the cross brace in that section to go corner to corner, right?

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My .02.. You could cut 1/2" off the end of the Aileron closest to the fuse and glue a 1/4x1/4 stick all the way across the end...but you will have to replace some covering... Good luck...

BBill

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Yeah, if you are really careful you can do just what Bill said and save the covering..just peel it back a little bit past where you are gonna cut it, make your cut, glue a stick back on and iron the covering back down. Shouldn't be really noticeable..

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Well, I knew I was doomed when we checked into our room and the room # was 1313. From there it was a bad day. Guess I will talk to Bob about this since they built the plane. A few this were not done, but Bob did his best to make things right. They sure were busy at thier booth.

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I understand the frustration of buying a pre-built plane and it not be 100%, but IMHO it is something that could be fixed in less than an hour. There were several guys who got bit by this very thing when building the newer Sledge. I have one that has not had the ailerons built yet,, so I was on the lookout. I built my older (fairly early model) Sledge right over the plans and it worked fine...then something changed.

Robert might compensate you for your trouble, but it's not really gonna be a hard fix. Good luck.

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Blue ice, I changed the plans to shorten the ailerons but even with the older ailerons they had more throw than that. In fact, the older ailerons yielded plenty of throw, too much aileron on this plane and it will not flat spin so be careful about thinking more is always better, not with this plane. If you are getting 45 degrees you are getting the as much as I think you need to do all 3D maneuvers. Jeff Williams

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Jeff, the most I can get is 30 degrees out of it. Then, the ailerons are touching the fuse.

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My ailerons are the same as yours I can't get but about 30 degrees either it flies ok like that but I would like more also. I am going to fix mine someday maybe. Mine looks alot like yours also.
Morris Hobbies built mine to.

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My son and I built two this winter. I built the first one with the ailerons per drawings and it had the same issue as yours. Prior to covering the second one, I cut 1/4 inch off of it's ailerons and it works great. I'm guessing that your builder wasn't aware of this. The modification won't take very long to do and it's worth the change.

JW

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You would think Morris Hobbies would know about this. They built the plane.

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I asked Robert about Them being so close when I picked mine up and he even called Jeff about it he said I should be able to get throws I would need with it the way it was and it does fly alright.
It does not roll as fast as you would like but it does everything else. I am going to fix mine as soon as I finish my Burrito. Also Jeff was not looking at my plane when he said that it was good enough he was talking on the phone I am sure if he would have seen it he would have said it needed fixing. I can't even set my high rates to what they say to set them at on the instruction.

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you could probably just sand or cut the end of the aileron to get 45 deg it shouldnt take much... and stick a small pc of covering over the bare wood... I think the Ailerons are fine it is the wing thats to short...;) ( Come on you just knew I had to say something)

BBill

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Bill, I was wondering if you were ever gonna speak up!

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Morris has to be building them wrong if they only go 30 degrees. Even on the first set of plans I could easily get 45 - 50 degrees of throw, if they are only going 30 he is not on the plan somehow/someway. I did change the plans to reduce the aileron span by 1/4" at the root, that yields 80 degrees throw which is way too much, it will actually detract from the performance. I have found about 40 - 45 degrees to be about right. Anymore and the ailerons will literally pull it out of a flat spin.
I suggest that you guys cut the covering and move that root stick in about 1/2" then drape the covering back over it. I imaging about 1 hour you should have it done and the reward will be well worth it. Jeff W.

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build em your self if you can.

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For my Sledge, built by me, I just angled the root stick a bit away from the fuselage. At the leading edge of the aileron, I was full length with the plans, but the trailing edge was shortened by 1/4 inch from the inboard side. Even that small of an angle was plenty. It's not intended to roll like a drill bit.

As for Morris, they probably built more than one at a time, and may have used a builder that wasn't too familiar with the plane. I know it is a let down, but I'd just call Robert, and see what he is willing to do, then just fix it myself. Maybe you can get a discount on your next plane, or even a credit.

Either way, I agree, it's an easy fix (shouldn't have been necessary though), and probably not noticable when done.

Get it taken care of, and fly the plane. You will quickly forget the trouble. It flies just that good.

Good luck, I hope Robert makes it right with you.

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Well I just got off the phone with Bob at Morris and he says what I have is what I get. Looks like I will have to take care of this myself. Next profile will not be a Morris kit. I even told him Jeff Williams posted saying I should get 40-45 degrees and Bob said I was crazy. I should have just waited for the Extreme Flight Edge. It would have been a lot cheaper. I am very dissappointed in Morris Hobbies and the customer service they provided me with.

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I had my plane built before X- mas and his was picked up last week. When I picked mine up I pointed out that the alieron where to close Robert called Alberto who is who builds for him and he said they all come out like that. So they did know about the problem. I also am not knocking there work becides the problem with the alierons the plane is as good as they get I have been flying mine like it was built since December. The only thing is the roll rate is slow. And yes I know it not suppose to spin as fast as a drill. If you were to see it fly you would also say it rolls slow. I plan to fix mine as soon as I finish my Burrito maybe tonight. I think they must have a gig they use or something for the alierons and they need to fix it. Because they have been building them to long for a few mounths now.

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I'm sorry to hear that Robert let you down. Morris might be dropping off of the radar again. If you are too busy with customers to take care of customers, then somethng is wrong...

I guess he needs Debbie back...

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Well, let's look at the last year with Morris. No more ARF Knifes and Topcaps, no ARF Sledge (Extreme flight sure took that one away!!) and all I read is "Throw away half the wood in the kit, then..." Personally, I've never dealt directly with Morris. If I'm too hard on them tell me, but it doesn't look like they are the "Profile" company anymore. To build one more Sledge like that after they discovered it was WRONG! It's so simple to fix, but then if a new car dealer told me to fix ANYTHING I'd tell them where to stick their car!!!

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I THINK (uh ohhh this could be trouble) there is no way in H.E.L.L. that they shouldn't have know about this problem. Just use the search button and type in Sledge Ailerons plenty of comments on it. And if Morris does not keep up with RCU that would just be bad business. For him to say what you got is what you get.[X(] for over $200.00 you should at least get something that will do the recommended throws. sure its an easy fix but that is not the point. If the Bros that bought them wanted to work on it they would have built it themselvs...to bad Walter ever sold the company, now the only way we can buy stuff is off of EBAY.[:@]

( climbs down from soap box)

Hope you guys get them fixed.

BBill

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Looks like OMP is the only one who cares about a good profile product. They definately listen to their costomers on RCU. Too bad I didn't win the contest....looks like I gotta buy one. HHMMM...edge or Yak?

CM

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I think Tailtwister hit the nail on the head when he said Robert is to busy with customers to take care of customers. My Sledge was suppose to be ready to fly when I picked it up but he couldn't
seem to get the servoes in he kept saying they were on back order. After three trips to Houston with him telling me it would be ready when I got there I finally picked it up took it home and three weeks later I finally got my servoes. Then there was the issue on the motor he kept
thying to talk me into a mvvs motor I told him I liked OS and Irvine he kept saying the mvvs
was a better so I let him talk me into buying one. Now I have a mvvs that has only a few flights on it and a Irvine 53 on my Sledge. I know ther is prolly nothing wrong with the mvvs I just like Irvines and OS better. Where I work the Customer is always right even when he's not if you know what I mean.

But having said all that other than the aileron problem my Sledge was built right when I flew my plane the first time I did not have to trim it at all and it still flys great. If Robert would just slow down and take care of his customers everything would be alright.


You think he would have fixed the ailerons problem by now for sure just think how many people have Sledges with ailerons to long. On high rates I can only get what the instruction say you should have your low rates set on. But like he told blue ice thats my problem. But I will fix soon if I don't crash it first. :D It's really not that bad like it is.