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I have been flying my Aerobird for four months and 50+ flights and just love
the plane. I have pounded the plane into the ground, destroyed three wings,
and two tails. I had to build a new motor mount because I destroyed that too.
All
this, and the plane flies great, but it has taken a real beating. That is
what makes it such a great three channel trainer. Along the way I have had to
solve many problems because I was so reckless with it while I was learning to
fly it. So, I pass on what I have learned.

First - RTFM - If you lost your manual, you can download it here:
http://www.hobbyzonesports.com/Produ...uctID=HBZ6000#

Respect Wind

This plane can definitely fly in 12 - 15 MPH winds. However wait till you have
mastered it. Most of my crashes came from
flying in too much wind before I was ready.

Always launch into the wind and land into the wind. And, fly with the wind
blowing toward you, the wind will not carry your plane away, it will tend to
bring it to you.

Motor Mount

This is the first thing you should do. Before you take a hard nose hit,
reinforce the motor mount. I will not elaborate here, visit this thread to
find the information. It contains advice from other pilots and what I finally
did to reinforce the mount. You should do this before you need it.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...&perpage=15&pa
genumber=1

http://www.shutterfly.com/osi.jsp?i=...21b325c2c38435
here are also some shots of the control board out of the plane which can be
helpful.


Plane Does Not Fly Straight - what could cause this?

Assuming you have not displaced the motor (see above), and you are having
problems with the plane turning to one side, check the following:

a) is the wing crooked or too damaged - try a new wing.

b) Check the trim adjustments. They may have been moved from center. Set
them to center and make all adjustments assuming you will fly with the trim
set in the center.

c) Check the tail. The foam is attached to the center plastic brace by small
pieces that punch through the foam. This can loosen up and the tail fin can
move slightly away from the plastic brace in the air which can cause the plane
to turn.
Tape or glue the tail fins to the center plastic brace. Also, look for creases
in the foam. If there is a weak spot, it will
cause the tail to flex causing the plane to turn. mine was creased at the
meeting point where the plastic support meets the tail. Looked fine on the
ground, but it was flexing in the air causing a hard right turn leading to
crashes. Replace the tail.

d) Make sure the moveable surfaces are even with the fixed surfaces on the
tail when the stick is centered and the trim levers are centered. You MUST
check this with the transmitter on and the battery attached. If they are not
even, adjust them with the screws on the control horns. The procedure is in
the manual. RTFM

Note, there is a tiny Phillips head screw on the back of the control horn on
the tail. Tighten it or the spool could unwind while the plane is in the
air, causing a crash. (Guess how I know this!)

e) Check to see that the boom is solidly attached at the body. If this comes
loose, it can move
around while the plane is flying causing all kinds of problems. It can also
twist so that the tail is no longer aligned.

If you look at where the boom is attached inside there is a pinched area. I
drilled a small hole through the top of that area and through the boom. Then
I put a 4" nylon tie through to help secure the boom. I also put packing tape
around the boom and the back of the body where the boom exits. Between the
two, the boom is well secured.

The Porpoise

When you apply power the plane starts to climb then noses up, then the nose
drops and it does it all over again. The problem is that the tail needs to be
trimmed. There are two screws on the tail. The procedure is in your
instruction book. RTFM

Center of Gravity

If you are using a 7 cell battery, you will get a faster plane and better
climb, however you will also shift the center of gravity forward slightly.
If you are an aggressive, full throttle flyer, you probably won't
notice. If you are more of a half throttle cruiser, like me, you will find
the plane needs up trim all the time. Here is how you fix it.

The foam that sits between the battery and ahead of the electronics puts the 6
cell exactly where it needs to be to balance the plane, but the 7 cell is
heavier. Remove the side pins and pull the foam out. Now, cut it from top to
bottom about half way in, just in front of where the pins that hold it
in-place enter the foam from the side. Now put the remaining piece back in
the plane. Fly the 6 cell with the foam to the rear and the 7 with the foam
to the front. This will shift the 7 cell about 3/8" and put the CG right where
it should be.

Longer flights

Back off on the power. Both the 6 and 7 cell battery will last five to
six minutes at full power. However, if you back off to half power, your
flights can last 12-15 minutes depending on the wind. Some people have even
reporting catching thermals with the Aerobird and riding them for long long
flights.

Also, when you charge your batteries, charging at a lower rate gets fuller
charges. Also, if you charged your batteries a few days ago, top them up just
be fore
flying. They lose charge just sitting around.

Neck Strap for the Transmitter

If you look at the high priced Futaba, Hitec and other radios, they have a
place where you can clip a cord so that the radio can hang from it leaving you
two hands to make adjustments on the plane. This is very convenient.

Take a large paper clip and bend up the center piece in the middle to make a
place where you can clip a neck strap to it. Now take some sand paper and
sand a spot in the center of the radio. Epoxy the paperclip to the radio. Use
plenty so you can really
embed the clip in the epoxy.

Reinforce the Wing

Got to staples and get some glass reinforced tape. The 3M type that has a
cross pattern is best. I think it is called extreme strength tape. Put a
piece on either side of trailing edge where the prop wants to bite the wing if
a landing is a little rough. Also centered in the front 6" on either side of
the body to help resist damage from the rubber bands.

Make sure you have a spare prop. Since the prop
is less likely to cut the wing, if it hits the wing, it might pop the prop
off, or break it. However normally this does not happen.

If you get a crease or a fold in the wing from a rough landing, this will be a
weak area. The foam is compressed and the wing will tend to fold up under
stress. Tape can not stop this. Take a strip of plastic or wood, about 1/16"
and cut a piece about 1" wide and 20-30" long, or long enough to cover the
crease at least 6 inches on either side. Attach the support to the wing with
double sided carpet tape, not the foam type, the really thin stuff. Make sure
you center it on the wing so that it does not through the wing out of balance.

To finish off the reinforcement, cover it with clear packing tape. Stretch it
for and aft to create a smooth flow
path for the air passing over the wing. Many planes of similar design, like
the T-Hawk or the Firebird XL have
these strips, or rods on the wings when they are new.


Learn to Dead Stick Land

If you run the battery too long, the speed control will cut the power to the
motor while preserving power for the control surfaces. If you learn to land
with the power off all the time, then if you get caught in the air with no
motor, you will have no problem landing. Dead stick is my standard way of
landing.

Parts

These planes have a great distribution system. Parts are very readily found
in most hobby stores. However if you can't get what you need, look here:
http://www.hobbyzonesports.com/Support/


HobbyZoneSports Frequently Asked Questions - Couldn't hurt to look!
http://www.hobbyzonesports.com/Support/FAQ.aspx

Plane Locator

On the Aerobird I use one of these on the plane and one stays in my pocket.
If I put the plane down in very tall grass, or in the woods ( don't ask ) it
can be hard to find. If I am looking for the plane, I click the one in my
hand and the one on the plane answers. If you fly near woods, swamps, tall
grass, etc., get one of these. I mount it under the rubber band that holds on
the wing. Doesn't seem to hurt the lift.
www.keyringer.com

Here is a review of another Emergency Locator Beacon that illustrates its
value. Your keyringer will serve the same purpose.
http://webhome.idirect.com/~arrowmfg...s/elb-revi.htm
Every plane I ever own will have some kind of locator from now on.

Summary

So, here are a few tips to help you live happily with your Aerobird and
help it survive your poor piloting skills. With a little luck, the plane will
make it through the tough part of your training as you pound it into the
ground trying to learn to fly. Don't give up! Avoid the wind, take your time
and you will get it!

Oh, and RTFM ..... read the friendly manual!!!! :-)


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Best regards
AEAJR
www.lisf.org
Old 08-22-2003, 11:22 PM
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I really like the Aerobird. I think I am doing a lot wrong. I need your help.

First I have heard people saying they reinforce their Aerobird wing How do I do that? I have dived and cut back on throttle and have had my wings sear off...not going that fast either and using 6 aerobird rubberbands but the wing is giving way so that has really made me careful with keeping full power on in turns and other times....... is question number 1.

2) I cannot control this plane in the wind. It just takes it away. I hear people saying they fly in high winds. I can pull it over to the right and it would keep going strait till it got out of wind. I joined a Club yesterday and was there today and one of the old guys was there and flew mw plane and he did great! I think it is pilot error a lot of my problems. but I let another guy which these guys are older men and really know what they are doing and have the 3-D planes you know...the big ones. the second guy had the same problem that I had. He said he was holding it over like I did and it flew into a tree. I was watching and it happened to me too the same day. This is the second time to happen to me. I thought it was radio problems. I checked it out with someone that knows more than I. I am pretty good but I was baffled. I even bought another Aerobird because I though I may have had a bad one. But I have the same problems. This is happening close to me.. not far out where I am seeming to lose contact but I do not think that is the case at all. We adjusted the trim and the throw on the elevators these guys know what they are doing and if flew a little better ( I do have the X-tail and 7 cell battery fully charged and a 6 cell fully charged too when it is happeing). But the guy that was flying it when it went in the tree said the wind seemed to got it. I agree because the same thing happened to me. I thought it was me.

Also on my turns the expert that flew it first said it was a little honey and he liked it. But he was watching me fly and helping me and said that when I turn I am slowing down too much and letting it fall in a turn, He said to keep power on almost full. But when I do that it wants to climb. So my turns look spastic. I know you turn roll the plane and give just a little up and make adjustments but sometimes with this plane according to the wind and power you have to give down even! We discussed a shim on the back of the trailing edge of the wing. I did that before and I lost almost all lift!. I am not getting enough height on purpose when I fly. I have gotten shell shot because it gets caught in the wind and starts to fly away. He said more height the more you can do and have time to recover. Of course these guys don't know me and I knew that but I am listening to them. The other guy did the same thing started to fly lower then before after his second flight. But it seems I lose control of the plane in the wind and I ends up in a tree (2nd time) but the guys are going to get it for me at the club. That is a good thing about a club. This field is way too small and it is good for experienced fliers. but if you make a mistake it is not forgiving. It will end up in wires a ways out on the other side of the field and trees surround the whole field.

So If some of you fellow Aerobird fliers will answer my first question about the wing and give your opinion and answer some of the other questions i would thank you very much! I really think I need a really big place to fly this plane. It seems if I had more room there wouldn't be that problem of having to turn so much and dodging trees and everything else!

Thanks
Old 08-23-2003, 01:31 AM
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I have attached my "tips and tricks" post. Perhaps something here will help you.

I have a couple of ideas.

1) Open the hatch and see if you can move the circut board around. It can become lose. If it does, then when you move the stick, when the servo moves, instead of the line moving, the board moves and you don't get the surface movement you should.

Other than that, take a look here and see if you find a clue. I have never seen this wing problem you describe. Are these new wings?

I have been flying my Aerobird since March 2003, and am approaching 100
flights between the Aerobird and my new Great Planes Spirit 2 Meter Glider.

I have pounded the poor Aerobird plane into the ground, destroyed three wings,
and two tails. I had to build a new motor mount because I destroyed that too.
All this, and the plane flies great, but it has taken a real beating. That is
what makes it such a great three channel beginner plane. Along the way I have
had to
solve many problems because I was so reckless with it while I was learning to
fly it. So, I pass on what I have learned.

First - RTFM - If you lost your manual, you can download it here:
http://www.hobbyzonesports.com/Produ...uctID=HBZ6000#

Respect Wind

This plane can definitely fly in 12 - 15 MPH winds. However wait till you have
mastered it. Most of my crashes came from flying in too much wind before I was
ready.

Always launch into the wind and land into the wind. And, fly with the wind
blowing toward you, the wind will not carry your plane away, it will tend to
bring it to you.

Motor Mount

This is the first thing you should do. Before you take a hard nose hit,
reinforce the motor mount. I will not elaborate here, visit this thread to
find the information. It contains advice from other pilots and what I finally
did to reinforce the mount. You should do this before you need it.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...&perpage=15&pa
genumber=1

http://www.shutterfly.com/osi.jsp?i=...21b325c2c38435
here are also some shots of the control board out of the plane which can be
helpful.


Plane Does Not Fly Straight - what could cause this?

Assuming you have not displaced the motor (see above), and you are having
problems with the plane turning to one side, check the following:

a) is the wing crooked or too damaged - try a new wing.

b) Check the trim adjustments. They may have been moved from center. Set
them to center and make all adjustments assuming you will fly with the trim
set in the center.

c) Check the tail. The foam is attached to the center plastic brace by small
pieces that punch through the foam. This can loosen up and the tail fin can
move slightly away from the plastic brace in the air which can cause the plane
to turn.
Tape or glue the tail fins to the center plastic brace. Also, look for creases
in the foam. If there is a weak spot, it will
cause the tail to flex causing the plane to turn. mine was creased at the
meeting point where the plastic support meets the tail. Looked fine on the
ground, but it was flexing in the air causing a hard right turn leading to
crashes. Replace the tail.

d) Make sure the moveable surfaces are even with the fixed surfaces on the
tail when the stick is centered and the trim levers are centered. You MUST
check this with the transmitter on and the battery attached. If they are not
even, adjust them with the screws on the control horns. The procedure is in
the manual. RTFM

Note, there is a tiny Phillips head screw on the back of the control horn on
the tail. Tighten it or the spool could unwind while the plane is in the
air, causing a crash. (Guess how I know this!)

e) Check to see that the boom is solidly attached at the body. If this comes
loose, it can move
around while the plane is flying causing all kinds of problems. It can also
twist so that the tail is no longer aligned.

If you look at where the boom is attached inside there is a pinched area. I
drilled a small hole through the top of that area and through the boom. Then
I put a 4" nylon tie through to help secure the boom. I also put packing tape
around the boom and the back of the body where the boom exits. Between the
two, the boom is well secured.

The Porpoise

When you apply power the plane starts to climb then noses up, then the nose
drops and it does it all over again. The problem is that the tail needs to be
trimmed. There are two screws on the tail. The procedure is in your
instruction book. RTFM

Center of Gravity

If you are using a 7 cell battery, you will get a faster plane and better
climb, however you will also shift the center of gravity forward slightly.
If you are an aggressive, full throttle flyer, you probably won't
notice. If you are more of a half throttle cruiser, like me, you will find
the plane needs up trim all the time. Here is how you fix it.

The foam that sits between the battery and ahead of the electronics puts the 6
cell exactly where it needs to be to balance the plane, but the 7 cell is
heavier. Remove the side pins and pull the foam out. Now, cut it from top to
bottom about half way in, just in front of where the pins that hold it
in-place enter the foam from the side. Now put the remaining piece back in
the plane. Fly the 6 cell with the foam to the rear and the 7 with the foam
to the front. This will shift the 7 cell about 3/8" and put the CG right where
it should be.

Longer flights

Back off on the power. Both the 6 and 7 cell battery will last five to
six minutes at full power. However, if you back off to half power, your
flights can last 12-15 minutes depending on the wind. Some people have even
reporting catching thermals with the Aerobird and riding them for long long
flights.

Also, when you charge your batteries, charging at a lower rate gets fuller
charges. Also, if you charged your batteries a few days ago, top them up just
be fore
flying. They lose charge just sitting around.

Neck Strap for the Transmitter

If you look at the high priced Futaba, Hitec and other radios, they have a
place where you can clip a cord so that the radio can hang from it leaving you
two hands to make adjustments on the plane. This is very convenient.

Take a large paper clip and bend up the center piece in the middle to make a
place where you can clip a neck strap to it. Now take some sand paper and
sand a spot in the center of the radio. Epoxy the paperclip to the radio. Use
plenty so you can really
embed the clip in the epoxy.

Reinforce the Wing

Got to staples and get some glass reinforced tape. The 3M type that has a
cross pattern is best. I think it is called extreme strength tape. Put a
piece on either side of trailing edge where the prop wants to bite the wing if
a landing is a little rough. Also centered in the front 6" on either side of
the body to help resist damage from the rubber bands.

Make sure you have a spare prop. Since the prop
is less likely to cut the wing, if it hits the wing, it might pop the prop
off, or break it. However normally this does not happen.

If you get a crease or a fold in the wing from a rough landing, this will be a
weak area. The foam is compressed and the wing will tend to fold up under
stress. Tape can not stop this. Take a strip of plastic or wood, about 1/16"
and cut a piece about 1" wide and 20-30" long, or long enough to cover the
crease at least 6 inches on either side. Attach the support to the wing with
double sided carpet tape, not the foam type, the really thin stuff. Make sure
you center it on the wing so that it does not through the wing out of balance.

To finish off the reinforcement, cover it with clear packing tape. Stretch it
for and aft to create a smooth flow
path for the air passing over the wing. Many planes of similar design, like
the T-Hawk or the Firebird XL have
these strips, or rods on the wings when they are new.


Learn to Dead Stick Land

If you run the battery too long, the speed control will cut the power to the
motor while preserving power for the control surfaces. If you learn to land
with the power off all the time, then if you get caught in the air with no
motor, you will have no problem landing. Dead stick is my standard way of
landing.

Parts

These planes have a great distribution system. Parts are very readily found
in most hobby stores. However if you can't get what you need, look here:
http://www.hobbyzonesports.com/Support/


HobbyZoneSports Frequently Asked Questions - Couldn't hurt to look!
http://www.hobbyzonesports.com/Support/FAQ.aspx

Plane Locator

On the Aerobird I use one of these on the plane and one stays in my pocket.
If I put the plane down in very tall grass, or in the woods ( don't ask ) it
can be hard to find. If I am looking for the plane, I click the one in my
hand and the one on the plane answers. If you fly near woods, swamps, tall
grass, etc., get one of these. I mount it under the rubber band that holds on
the wing. Doesn't seem to hurt the lift.
www.keyringer.com

Here is a review of another Emergency Locator Beacon that illustrates its
value. Your keyringer will serve the same purpose.
http://webhome.idirect.com/~arrowmfg...s/elb-revi.htm
Every plane I ever own will have some kind of locator from now on.

Summary

So, here are a few tips to help you live happily with your Aerobird and
help it survive your poor piloting skills. With a little luck, the plane will
make it through the tough part of your training as you pound it into the
ground trying to learn to fly. Don't give up! Avoid the wind, take your time
and you will get it!

Oh, and RTFM ..... read the friendly manual!!!! :-)


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Best regards
AEAJR
www.lisf.org
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Great thanks for your input. I have epoxyed the Radio receiver mount in. I have did everything already you have suggested. I am an accomplished pilot I know to fly and land into the wind and try to keep it flying into the wind and let it come back to me..., however this little booger has got me wondering. Even my peers at the club have had the same problem. Like I said I went and bought another one just to make sure it wasn't a lemon. Got another tX too! I have been through three wings. When I come down in a dive I of course cut power back or off then the control surface has no affect and I hit nose first but before I hit the wings shear off and I am able to break my fall. I have three brand new wings. I have just reinforced the wing. I put a wing cover in the middle from another wing I had this time. I did put the tape across both sides. We shall see tomorrow how this does. I have adjusted all the sufaces the last hole and adjusted the tail screws. This should do it! I hope. But the thing that has been happening is that when it is windy there are certain times when there is no control flying against the wind. I would drift to the right and my peer had the same problem when I let him try it and he went right into a tree. A guy that flys 3-D planes and had been flying for 30 years, He knows exactly what I am talking about now. That is what I wanted to show them where I could get some suggestions to fix this problem. We have checked from front to back and across. Nothing is wrong. ...he was going into the wind and it started drifting to the right. I usually try to put it right down if I can then. but he was drifting and there was no control he had it all the way over to the left and it kept going to the right. The NEW Aerobird did the same thing. The wind wasn't that bad but around 10 knots gusting. He had no reaction from the plane. When he did regain control it was too late. Now he was not even 60' away when this started. I changed batteries in the plane fully charged 6 cell. I have a 7 too same problem in the new one. No X-tail on the old one but on the new one I do. The new one is the in tree, I just paid to get the old one out down here at a park. Was there for 5 days. Now to get back the TX had brand new batteries in. no interference. So it has to be the wind taking control for 10 seconds or there about. it always happens when it is windy. Will not happen when it is not windy. Everyone I have talked to say they fly in the wind and do not have this problem. But that is what we have narrowed it down to. Everyone at the club that is in on this agrees....so what do I do? The thrust is aligned. The radio brace is ok..BUT I DID CHANGE TO THE LOWEST HOLE THIS TIME. I have read the threads as you suggested and see that some people have no control when it is in the other holes...Could this be it? I will have to believe it. I will not give up on this plane. I am having a blast with it when it is not windy. I do not have to fool with gas, glow plugs, and all that other stuff for a change. It is great for me because I am in the CT/ NYC area for work and will be going back South in December. So it is just right. all I have to do is charge up the batteries. I nosed one in the ground as I said. But not hard. So no damage just a few dents. Motor was ok. I could not believe the how tough it was. So I bought another one. I may even another too! With what I spend on my gas planes this is fun and a change plus just right for me while I am traveling. I can go right down to Yale field and fly to my hearts content and no one says anything because it don't make noise and they love it anyway! So I think this may have fixed the problem. it is funny that we do not think of the little things which may make the difference. In fact someone said that at the club and I did not take heed to it. That is the problem it has to be. Thanks I will let you know/ The wind is always blowing here off Long Island Sound and the Atlantic so the wind will blow...only early in the morning from 7 AM to 10 AM it can be calm...but the rest of the day forget it! What do you think? Do you think that will make the difference with this little plane? Wow I am glad I came here. You guiys help me and talking about it makes it even better. If it wasn't for you talking with me I would have not noticed this...Thanks!
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Ya got me. I haven't seen these problems, but this is my first plane. Maybe you are expecting the aerobird to behave like your other planes.

I don't know. I wish I could help.
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I will let you know...I am due at the field this afternoon...but I will trying to get my plane out of the tree. The guy that put it in the tree said he would line it up. So I hope he hasn't jumped ship on me. I do not know tese guys from Adam but we are in a club so that is a plus.

If everything goes ok I have my other Aerobird. I worked on it a long time last night making sure everything is ok and set...I see you are in Long Island. I have some friends that live there. Pretty nice.

I am not expecting it to fly like my other ones at all..just fly correctly or me seeing where I am making mistakes. I do not see many of those. Unless I am losing contact. That is a whole different ballgame. No I just want to make sure I am doing everything right. I have flown this plane gosh ...17 times. out of that three crashes and two in a tree. They were a result of the lost of control for 10 seconds or so. It happens when the wind is blowing around 10 MPH.

So I think I may have fixed the problem by moving the control line to the last hole. I do not know yet. But then I will be set if that is the problem. I sure hope so...I will let you know...Do you have your control line in the last hole?
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YOur comments "So it has to be the wind taking control for 10 seconds or there about. it always happens when it is windy. Will not happen when it is not windy. Everyone I have talked to say they fly in the wind and do not have this problem. But that is what we have narrowed it down to. Everyone at the club that is in on this agrees....so what do I do? The thrust is aligned. The radio brace is ok..BUT I DID CHANGE TO THE LOWEST HOLE THIS TIME. I have read the threads as you suggested and see that some people have no control when it is in the other holes...Could this be it? "

You say you are an experienced pilot. You say your friend flys 3D. why are you flying an Aerobird. This plane is intentionally mild on its response to inputs. It has no ailerons and the rudervators only move one surface on a turn, not two like a more advanced V Tail.

Yes, in heavy wind, the plane can be slow to response. Even with the X-Tail it is not anywhere as responseive as a plane with ailerons.

It sounds like you and your friends are accostumend to bigger, more powerful, more aerobatic planes and this one doesn't live up to your expectations.

I can't make any other reasonable guess. From reading your posts, I think this is what it is.
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Yes you are right. Yes....more power...BUt I want this plane to be all it can be! And it made a big difference today. I flew in wind 20MPH. You live on L.I. You know how strong the wind was today! There was a RC meet in Rocky Hill everyone was there today and the wind. So A peer and I was the only two people at the field today. He had a great Cadet and I had my adjusted Aerobird...It responded very good. It took every command and did exactly what I want it to! So I am very happy...I did have to change wings because the other wing.... I went a little over board on the support issue and made it a tad too heavy...but it still did very good. I was able to dive and even with a little power added I felt a lot better about the shear issue. So the last hole on the horn made the whole difference in the performance of the Aerobird. That was the whole problem. So I am happy now. I cannot wait till tomorrow to get out there and have some fun! I have noticed in this kind of wind keeping it closer to you and not getting too high with it...it will not tend to drift out over trees and other hazards...Thanks for listening to me and giving your suggestions and input!
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Glad you and your Aerobird are begining to bond. While I love the plane, it is not the right plane for everyone.

If you want to get a little adventuresome (wreckless) with the plane and stretch out its range, you can put a locator on it so if you drop it in the woods, it is easier to find.

www.keyringer.com

I strap one on top of the wing under the rubber bands and keep the other in my pocket. Helped me find it once in the tall grass.

Enjoy!
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Well...I am getting a little older and tired of going in the woods and climbing trees. So I like going a little slower. The wing I added support to ended up being a little heavy..just enough to slow it down a little. My reflexs are not as fast since my bout that I won with Cancer. A lot of side effects. Nevertheless....I let a peer on Thursday fly my New Aerobird and he flew right in a tree and he was a good pilot. The elevators were not adjusted. I know now what to do. So I went yesterday and I am goinng today to try to get it. The guy never showed up. He hasn't called or anythging. That is ok. I will get it even if I have to cut the tree down I will get it. But now I know what to do and I should not have that trouble anymore. Plus I will not let anyone else fly it either. I mean I would do everything in my power to get someone's plane down out of a tree if I put it there! That is the difference between him and I ....I guess.

But I did get to fly yesterday..that is why I have two Aerobirds! Where I can still fly...So this afternoon back out for a few flights and a few tries at my plane out of tree!

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Well I got my plane down undamaged. Me and another fellow with a pole with many extentions attached to it! Wow we did it. It was every bit on 100'. This guy that put it there I found out id a dentist. Go figure. He owes me a plane. That wasn't very nice to say he was going to line up someone Saturday and nevr showed up or called me. What an As****e. Ok well I know all about him...Then someone that was Mr. Model told me to froget that one and go buy another. What a cop out kind of guy. See I got oit anmd saved $140 to 170.00. I do not have anyway. Man tese guys must be rich!...But never theless..I got to fly the Aerobird number 2 again and we put a tach meter on it that this guy had. All you do is point it at it. We did three different times after I had been flying with the 7 cell battery and each time it came up 10177 RPM. That is very good and also Awesome! They and I was impressed. Thia Little baby was screaming this evening. I had fun. So I guess I am going to take about three days off and see if I get my Capitil flyer parts in on back order since July 8th! Can't fly it with out a shaft!

Thanks for all you help!
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I presume you already know this, but i fyou lose or damage the Aerobird you can buy a fuselage. You don't have to buy the whole package.

http://shop.store.yahoo.com/hobby-warehouse/aerac.html

http://search.ehobbies.com/?AID=9928...tal=232;page=1

above are a couple of sources on-line. Your local hobby store can also order parts for you if they don't stock them.

If you are flying the 7 Cell, did you adjust the CG as I suggested in my post so that it is not so nose heavy? You can fly it slower and more evenly if you do the adjustment for hte 7 cell CG.

I move the battery depending on whether I am usign the 6 cell or the 7 cell.
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Yes and thanks. Hobby -warehouse was the only place that still had my channel in stock. I have already got one just last week. I treid to adjust the elevators and the wheels came off the horns on the X-Tail. I bought the X-tail, Wing, and fuselage. The fusekage has glitch in the right servo. it moves erratically would never fly. I only had it a week glad I started playing with it to check it out. It is a defect. I got a e-mail into Bill at Hobby-ware house. I am sure he will exchange it if he still has my channel. He is charging $6.00 more for it than Hobbyzone. I know they have to make their money but after shipping it is a lot of money when i can just wait till Hobbyzone is restocked. They said they should be stocked today or this week at hobbyzone. Everyone is out of stock! So I will see what he will do for me. I still have another one anyway. I may have to mention the X-tail unless you may shead some light on this. It will not stay connected on the control horn. If jsut keps coming off. When I tighten it to the control horn I cannot turn it to adjust the control line.

Yes the CG is fine. The little things that we ad to this plane makes a difference in the way it flies. The engineers have made it as light and cheap as they could. I know you know and everyone else knows it needs a plastic or wood plate or a couple of tie downs on the back side of the motor, a little more cushing in the nose, a prop that will screw on with a nut, a rush rod made out of something besides fishing line, screws in the receiver mount, velcro or screw in on wing attachment to fuslage, a screw or a tie down to hold the boom in its slot, a lot of the other things we have found that will improve this plane more than it already it!But just like the car or light bulb; they can make them to last 100 years old but how would they make any money if the future if they made it so good...like the Maytag repair man! HA HA HA...but we can do what we can to make it better. The contol board can be a better system also and access to the inside...It is easier for some people just to but another one. but I was talking of the C of G.

I enjoy the plane being a liittle slower at this time in my flying right now. My health is not as good as it was in 1983. SO this is just right to slowly get me back into flyiong RC. So there is a littlew change in my battery placement too. But I have didi so much to this one I need a couple more cells and that would fix the whole problem. But I like this problem of being slower. That is why I bought another Fuslage to have when I am ready to go faster. It will be there. I had a blast yesterday flying. I kept up with the gas planes....well I was really close enough to make them see this little plane is awesome. That is why they put the tach meter on it to see themselves! I think I got everybody wanting to but this little plane because of the hassel freedom of it!

Resting a couple of days now. Talk later
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Gosh Pro! You can melt them all down and get a big wing out them! I am having a blast with my Aerobird. I am able to fly now and run the batteries down! Finally after 30 flights. I can really tell the difference now with the 7 cell battery VS the 6 cell one. I do not believe that I will ever use a 6 cell anymore! I finall got it down. I weighed down my main wing and it flies a lot better for me. It almost will make a loop but I hve to diave a little...Getting the height is the trick and staying up there. I flew with the big planes yesterday and had a blast at the club. I will use my other reinforced wings for the new Aerobird nd do the loops and swoops and all that stuff.

Hey I am looking at a deal at the Hobby shop. A plane trainer, Flight box and all the things you need. the plane is built and ready to go radio engine and everything just buy and go out to the field whicjh is ok if you do noyt like building and learning. I want to build but the deal is really good to have all this for $499.00. That is not bad at all. I am going tomorrow and take a looksee at it and see what it is all about.

I may nmove up anotch BUT I will never quit my OLE AEROBIRD! It got me back started again and hasn't let up yet. But my wife is now telling everythime I go out not to let an Model RC plane follow me back home...I am going to be in the Doghouse bad if I buy it tomorrow than just looking at it and the seeing what the deal is about and putting it on plastic....!!! Can I sleep at you r house for a couple days??? We are and always will be BOYS WITH TOYS! YES STAND UP FOR OUR HOBBY! ...Got to go my wife is calling me.....
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Well Pro I went and did it..... Go to http://www.rcmodelers.com/super/super.html

I did not buy it here. I bought it at my new hobby store for the next four months.
I bought a package and it comes with everything like this does. It is close to the same price. It comes with the O.S.® .40 LA™ engine , Futaba® 4VF radio. A flight box the yellow one that is one this website I mentioned. Comes with a gallon of good fuel. all hardware, covered and they have it all put together and ready to go out and fly for $499.00. Comes with all batteries, Starter, main battery in flight box. Electric pump to fuel. EVERYTHING. The radio had a buddy box plug. He is even going to give me free lessons every Thursday evening.

Good deal....looking forward to it. I am sure I cna fly it by myself. But since he offered. i took him up on it. It has been 20 years since I flew a 4 channel. I am sure it will come back to me. I will be better off letting him help me if anything goes wrong on the first five flights at least you know? He is our president at the flying field and he owns a hooby store that has been in hios family for 50 years. So he is either the son or something I really do not know. I will later. But I am set and ready now. As much as I am spending on the Aerobird and Megatech I just went ahead and did this. i will still fly the Aerobird but I am ready to step up to where I used o be. Looking forward to it now! My wife encouraged me to do it . I thought she would never let me spens that much! but we are doing it on a lay-away-plan. So in 6 weeks it is mine!
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For the guys that fly the Aerobird as much as I do. I have a question and comments:
I got a good five flights in this Labor day. The 4th flight the motor cut out on me for only a second while up. I had a full charged battery. I ran it down. After that I recharged in the car then went back out. While I was charging I decided to try to adjust the flaps because they were off a little and making my loops look spastic. I leveled everything with radio on But seems like it didn't really help that much.

I put the fully charged 7 cell battery back in and it seemed like it didn't want to go up as fast this time and at one time it starting going right and I felt like it did not react to my command. Just likt the motor. That is notacting like inteference. That is a receiver or X-mitter problem I do believe. Then I got up and was a little weary. I did climb on up and did some really cool loops. I was going pretty fast and the engine cut out. i was thinking I might have been going too fast and the motor couldn't keep up?

Then while flying over myself closer in I turned and the motor quit for one second started back and spurtered then started back to full power. I went down wind scared i would lose contact this time. I had been out far like this a lot so I do not think it is a lose contact problem since it did it close in. I came on in for a flawless landing it was beautiful and called it a day..The lights were on at the field but I didn't want to push it! It was lite raining when this started. But had quit and was doing it again without rain. I think I got a problem. what do you think could be wrong?
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I think you are having a problem with the battery connectors.

The connectors on the Aerobird, I think they are called Tamaya, are not very reliable. As you use them they start to loosen up and will cause the kind of problem you are having.

I replaced all my connections with Deans Ultra connectors. When I did that, all the problems went away. The cost about $1.50 per connector, but it is worth it. I have not standarized all my planes and batteries on Deans.

The way I tested for it was with the charger.

Put the battery on the charger. The light should be blinking. Now slowly move the battery around so htat you stress the connectors, but don't hold them, hold the wires behing them. If hte blinking stops, or becomes uneaven, you are seeing the same thing that your plane is seeing. A momentarly loss of reduction of contact.

If you can solder, get the deans and replace ALL of your connectors.
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Thanks. That sounds good. i noticed whoile charging in the car that the light does indeed go completly off sometimes....Everyone else I talked to this evening said it was because of the moister in the air. It is really damp here today and rainy.

But that sounds like that could be the problem.....I see you around everywhere too on the message boards. i have gotten a lot of info from you that has really helped. I say thanks.

I was supposed to go to LI......today well this weekend but it fell through. Meet some friend in the city and ride over with them. But too much came up for both of us. Nice place.

Well i will check that out the connectors. I'll bet that is what it is too!

It is easy to cahnge and solder. I need to solder my wall charger to , but it is ok now. I noticed i cannot charge the batteries butan hour at a time now. I was charging at foirat 3 hours like it suggested. But I have the peak charger in the car and do all my charging there now. Used to take about 40 minutes. Now only 30.
Oh yeah forgot to tell you. Our president at he club runs a Hobby store and has a package deal just like TowerHobby well...it is the towerhobby superstar trainer but he has the flight box, electric starter, tools, batteries, electric pump extra props all kind of extras for 499.00/ I jumped on it. Iit is put together too. All I have to do is charge and go fly. He has offered one lesson a week. Free. i said yes. It has been 20 years since I flew a 4 channel. I am sure i will get it back quick. But I am humbel. I said yes i want them! I am moving on back south the first of the year that is only 4 months away. So I needed to take advantage of this opportunity....But I will always kep my two Aerobirds.
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If you plan a trip to LI, let me know. Our club is the Long Island Silent Flyers, www.lisf.org We have a large grass field in Syosset. I would welcome you as a guest. We fly sailplanes, e-gliders, park and slow flying electrics. Electrics must be speed 400 and 8 cells or less. Fuel planes are not allowed on the field.

I normally fly on Saturdays between 11 and 4.

My Aerobird has served me well but has taken a beating. Now they have released a new Aerobird, the Aerobird Challenger. It includes the X-port that has been available on the Firebird Commander and the Fighterbird. It will accept the sonic combat module for air to air combat as well as the parachute and bomb drop modules. I just may upgrade the plane to add these features.

I spend most of my flying time a sailplane these days. A Great Planes Spirit Select 2 Meter. Came RTF with a radio and all the electronics for $139. I just love flying it.

As much as I enjoy flying the Aerobird, there is something majestic and graceful about having an unpowered sailplane just drift off the launch line, like a sailboat on the ocean. Once launched, we look for thermal up-drafts to take the planes up. The hunt for "lift" is half the fun. And once you find it, you work it as the plane goes up. I have "specked out" a number of times by getting the plane so high that you can hardly tell which way it is going.

Several of the Aerobird and Firebird XL pilots in the club have found that if they are careful, they can thermal along with the gliders. One guy got so high he lost sight of the plane and lost it.

You would think he was upset, but he was thrilled. His Aerobird had seen better days and he planned to replace the fuse anyway, but he said this was the most fun he ever had with the plane, and you should see him fly it. He ordered the new Aerobird Challenger. He performs aerobatic stunts that I would not have believed were possible with an Aerobird.

He was looking into a more aerobatic electric, or perhaps a 3D electric, but I think he may come over to the sailplane side. Thermaling is quite addictive. Part flying, part hunting, part sailing.

Finally, I have started to fly my Electrajet. This is a foam delta wing plane. Speed 380 and a pusher prop, but it looks a little like an F14. This is another learning plane for me.

http://www.harcohobbies.com/show-art...icles/1208.asp

This is an ARF, so it is my first kit. I had to order and install the electronics. Now I am working on component placement and balancing the plane. Finally since this is an aileron/Elevator plane using elevons, it will be my trainer for this type of flying.

If you ever make it to Long Island on a Saturday, let me know. We will fly together.
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Ok I sure will. I hope to come before I have to go south. I have some friends there. If I do I will come see ya!

Yes the Aerobird if fun. The lflight sim has helped my moves and stunts. SO I understand about your friend. I am able to to stuff I didn't hink possible or would hve tried if it wasn't for the sim. The sim is on it for sure! The plane reacts almost the same. I have a new Fuse so I will be flying the aerobird for a long time hopefully!

Yes I missed out of the four channel Aerobird. Oh well....Iwill get one if I get a friend to get one and wants to fly combat.

I got a superstar now to train again on the 4 channel. I have been out of a serious balsa plane for 20 years. So I was offered lessons one a week until Dec. I am going to take all of them. i am sure there will be rain days and other causes fo misses, so I want them all! They are Free! so yes. I need it! I think the Aerobird has pplished me up to go right in to it with an instructor. He said they way I fly that Aerobird that I will be soloing in a no time. It is the fear factor that gets me. I think about the $$$ spent....I will not have a plane to fly if I crash.....Well you know what I mean. So I want it to be fun noit a worry. SO I am going to do it right and if it happens I will get anoyther one or fix the one I crash. This happens...but as you go along like I have with the Aerobird the crashes get few and far between when it comes to pilot error ya know what I mean?

So I want to at least get the first 5 flight without tearing it up. So I am taking the instructor offer. I have committed myself to this. That way I have a good chance of keeping this plane a long time....

I will let you know if I get to come anytiome soon.....

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The new aerobird is still only three channels. They do something with the throttle to fire the post.

What simulator are you using that has an Aerobird model?

Good luck with your flight training.
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New Aerobird is not a 4 channel.....? My old Hobby Shop up in Manchester, CT The Time Machine" (Wayne) told me he had 15 that he ordered to sell. Promised me they were 4 channels.

You say they are not. I have no idea now.

I have moved back to gas. But I will always have an Aerobird to fly! I will still fly it everytime I go.

BUT I SEE The Aerobird Challenger was created for the express purpose of giving experienced HobbyZone pilots, or any one who flies R/C, a ready-to-fly experience unlike any other. It's powerful motor, proportional 3-channel control system and big, highly effective control surfaces will have you flying circles around most any ready-to-fly right out of the box.

It says itis a 3 channel still. He stillsays it is a 4 channel.
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If you would like ot take a look at other threads with lots of dicusssion about the aerobird challenger visit this one:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...5&pagenumber=1
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