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Old 01-27-2012, 10:16 AM
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Several years ago Lee Acher was credited with five kills.During the war the USAAF didn't think it was good puiblicity to allowed the black pilots to become aces.
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I saw the movie last Saturday with my wife. I thought the Mustangs, real and computer generated, where great. Like all movies there are some with a lot and some without a lot of historical facts (in the scene where they were not suppose to escort all the way to Berlin, but because the other fighter group didn't show, they did, they would not have been able to escort the B17's all the way to Berlin and back without wing tanks). Either way the movie was a pleasure to see. Just go and enjoy!!!

Also, about the high scoring German Aces, I don't know if those high scores include aircraft shot up on the ground, but it isn't hard shooting down bi-planes that only fly about 100mph with a single .30 m/g when you are flying a state-of-the-art (at that time) ME-109 with m/g's and a cannon. I also don't think the scores would have been that high had they been engaging aircraft close to theirs in performance and firepower (Mustangs, Spits ect).

p.s. I wish the would make a movie about the highest scoring Mustang Ace, Maj. George E. Preddy jr. They say if he had not been killed by friendly fire on Christmas Day 1944, he could have very well been the highest scoring American Ace in WWII passing Maj. Bong's record. I think actor Billy Zane would be perfect for the part, he looks so much like him.
Old 01-27-2012, 04:00 PM
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Hi 340cudaman
The top German ace, Erich Hartmann did not get into the war until, I think, around 1942 or so, when the Russians had many modern planes. Like you, I thought the Russians only had very old planes. I was surprised to read how modern some of the Russian fighters were. I believe he also encountered P-38s, P-39s and possible P-51s piloted by Russian pilots. In one encounter he was providing top cover for ME-109s attacking one of our B-17 formations. He shot down 5 of our P-51 in one day. In the next day or two he shot down 2-3 more P-51s.
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ORIGINAL: LesUyeda

''There was also a complete Japanese battalion ''

Actually, two of them, as I recall. The 100th and the 442. I had an uncle in one of them, but I cannot remember which.

Les
See, the only one I heard about was the 442. I read one book and there was one movie that I know of. It was one of the most decorated units in the war. My father gave me the book to read years ago and I don't recall the title.
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Hi 340cudaman
I forgot to also mention that Erich Hartmann's book also includes the drawings and performance specs of Russian fighters, given to the German pilots, plus many photos of the Russian fighters. One of the Russian fighters had armor around the engine and the pilot, but Hartmann would sneak up on a formation, frequently from behind and below, then close to range of about 50 yards, and put a short burst into the oil cooler behind the pilot. One day he shot down something like 5 planes and only expended something like 380 rounds total, I believe from the center 20MM cannon. The book also has a copy of his log book which shows the type of plane shot down, and other details. Unfortunately, the second, or later, log books where taken by the Russians when he was captured, and those actual details were lost. The book authors, who I believe were American airmen, did heavy research for the book. Since Adolf Hitler personally decorated Hartmann on reaching 200 and then 300 victories, those propaganda photos survived and are included in the book. I highly recommend the book, details of which are shown above.

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