Thinning out epoxy with isopopryl alcohol
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Sometimes, not always but sometimes the epoxy will stay tacky if you use 70% alcohol, that is 30% water. Most of us use 91%. Same alcohol, just less water. Usually the 70% works just fine but it's that one time it doesn't that will make you start stocking 90% in your shop. Try it, if it is tacky clean it up with acetone and do it over, not the end of the world.
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RE: Thinning out epoxy with isopopryl alcohol
You can also thin epoxy with acetone, which is usually available with much less water. It evaporates more quickly however, so if you are taking a long time to get coverage the viscosity of the epoxy will change during application.
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RE: Thinning out epoxy with isopopryl alcohol
ORIGINAL: Gray Beard
Sometimes, not always but sometimes the epoxy will stay tacky if you use 70% alcohol, that is 30% water. Most of us use 91%. Same alcohol, just less water. Usually the 70% works just fine but it's that one time it doesn't that will make you start stocking 90% in your shop. Try it, if it is tacky clean it up with acetone and do it over, not the end of the world.
Sometimes, not always but sometimes the epoxy will stay tacky if you use 70% alcohol, that is 30% water. Most of us use 91%. Same alcohol, just less water. Usually the 70% works just fine but it's that one time it doesn't that will make you start stocking 90% in your shop. Try it, if it is tacky clean it up with acetone and do it over, not the end of the world.
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If you build regularly, you might want to just buy some 20 minute Finish Cure epoxy. It's already thinned out and works great full strength for what you're trying to do. Also works for applying fiberglass cloth. Just be sure that you don't try to use it as epoxy glue!
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heat works to thin the epoxy also, and doesn't affect the curing aside from making it faster. I'd suggest 1 hr because of that.
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ORIGINAL: FlyingGatsby
Okay, I see. How much alcohol should I mix in?
ORIGINAL: Gray Beard
Sometimes, not always but sometimes the epoxy will stay tacky if you use 70% alcohol, that is 30% water. Most of us use 91%. Same alcohol, just less water. Usually the 70% works just fine but it's that one time it doesn't that will make you start stocking 90% in your shop. Try it, if it is tacky clean it up with acetone and do it over, not the end of the world.
Sometimes, not always but sometimes the epoxy will stay tacky if you use 70% alcohol, that is 30% water. Most of us use 91%. Same alcohol, just less water. Usually the 70% works just fine but it's that one time it doesn't that will make you start stocking 90% in your shop. Try it, if it is tacky clean it up with acetone and do it over, not the end of the world.
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ORIGINAL: FlyingGatsby
Okay, I see. How much alcohol should I mix in?
Okay, I see. How much alcohol should I mix in?
Old habits perhaps die hard, I use plain old rubbin alcohol (so cheap) and it has never failed me for, well a really long time.
Heat does work also but my preferance is to not have to pull out and put away the heat gun when I can just drip a little 'Rubbin' with an old acid brush.
To answer your question drip one drop at a time in to the just mixed epoxie bubble untill the mix turns milky white and the mixture will freely drip off your raised brush.
The working time for brushing is short so more rubbin drips may be added to extend a little. For this reason keep the batchs small.
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If you already have rubbing alcohol around, yes you can use it if the epoxy is to fuel proof.
Water does weaken the epoxy mix so it's not perfect for everything however. Acetone is epoxy thinner. It usually says that on the can. It's also quite useful for wiping excess CA off iron-on film, or cleaning off a surface that needs an iron-on patch. It does not weaken the epoxy, so it's best to use thinning epoxy you want full strength from.
It's cheap.
It's better when strength matters.
It does other things for you.
It is epoxy thinner.
Water does weaken the epoxy mix so it's not perfect for everything however. Acetone is epoxy thinner. It usually says that on the can. It's also quite useful for wiping excess CA off iron-on film, or cleaning off a surface that needs an iron-on patch. It does not weaken the epoxy, so it's best to use thinning epoxy you want full strength from.
It's cheap.
It's better when strength matters.
It does other things for you.
It is epoxy thinner.
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ORIGINAL: FlyingGatsby
Okay, I see. How much alcohol should I mix in?
Okay, I see. How much alcohol should I mix in?
Whatever you add to epoxy -thinning agents, c. silica, flocked fiberglass, wood dust, etc - ALWAYSmix the epoxy well first and let it set a half-minute (longer for the30minute &longer hardeners)to link before adding your adulterations. You will get much better results.
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RE: Thinning out epoxy with isopopryl alcohol
The best product I could find to fuel proof aiplane engine areas and firwalls is Zap Finishing Resin. It has a much looser consistancy that brushes on like paint, fills in all the voids and goes alot farther than thinned exopy. Jmpups
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RE: Thinning out epoxy with isopopryl alcohol
I prefer thinning 30 minute epoxy, especially for larger firewalls. But it will stay tacky for about 4 or 5 hours. It flows out and looks amazing. Best to do it just before bedtime rather than waste a day waiting for it to dry.
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ORIGINAL: FlyingGatsby
I need to fuel proof a piece of bass wood, can I think out the epoxy with 70% isopopryl alcohol?
I need to fuel proof a piece of bass wood, can I think out the epoxy with 70% isopopryl alcohol?
Short answer, for fuel proofing yes you can use it. Are 91% isopropyl (WallMart), acetone and/or denatured alcohol (Home Depot and Lowes) better for this? Yes they are because they leave a minimum of water behind, except they aren't really necessary for a simple fuel proofing application. Water will dry fine if the coating is thin enough.
How thin? I have used 1 part resin 1 part hardener and 1 part thinner (any of the above, I've used them all at one time or other). I mix the epoxy firts and let it sit for 10 minutes, then thin it
Some one mentioned heat and that's fine, but it could build up weight if not careful. Same for finishing resin, either epoxy or polyester.
I use epoxy paint, clear or colored depending on whether I have to match the plane's color. BTW, if you thin epoxy with any of the above, you may need two coats to fully seal the wood
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Gatsby in my climate and the climate that I have lived in most of my life (of course I cannot speak for your climate) you do not even need to use the 91% rubbing alcohol, Yes the the 70% works just fine.
In my climate it is ridiculous to spend five times the money on the alcohol (denatured) when uneeded. Rubbing stuff is only a couple of bucks good grief give it a try, you likely may even already have some in your medicine cabinet.
This is not about strength, is about fuel proofing and that is the original question. It works great and can be done rapidly without much effort.
John
In my climate it is ridiculous to spend five times the money on the alcohol (denatured) when uneeded. Rubbing stuff is only a couple of bucks good grief give it a try, you likely may even already have some in your medicine cabinet.
This is not about strength, is about fuel proofing and that is the original question. It works great and can be done rapidly without much effort.
John
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Ask an expert. http://www.seqair.com/skunkworks/Glu.../Thinning.html
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RE: Thinning out epoxy with isopopryl alcohol
I use dope to fuelproof fuel tank areas, firewalls, and sometimes use clear to seal monokote edges and seams. Penetrates great. I have some 'Poly-U' also that is very good.
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Gatsby in my climate and the climate that I have lived in most of my life (of course I cannot speak for your climate) you do not even need to use the 91% rubbing alcohol, Yes the the 70% works just fine.
In my climate it is ridiculous to spend five times the money on the alcohol (denatured) when uneeded. Rubbing stuff is only a couple of bucks good grief give it a try, you likely may even already have some in your medicine cabinet.
This is not about strength, is about fuel proofing and that is the original question. It works great and can be done rapidly without much effort.
John
Gatsby in my climate and the climate that I have lived in most of my life (of course I cannot speak for your climate) you do not even need to use the 91% rubbing alcohol, Yes the the 70% works just fine.
In my climate it is ridiculous to spend five times the money on the alcohol (denatured) when uneeded. Rubbing stuff is only a couple of bucks good grief give it a try, you likely may even already have some in your medicine cabinet.
This is not about strength, is about fuel proofing and that is the original question. It works great and can be done rapidly without much effort.
John