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Too much plane?
Iv'e wanted an extra style plane since I started in rc planes not for 3d I just love the way they look, right now Iv'e only flown a trainer but I also have a big stik .40 Im going to start flying soon and once I'm comfortable with it Ill move up to the super sportster .40 I have " I also have a kaos and a couple other trainers" , would this extra be a suitable plane after the super sporster? http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXJ579&P=7
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RE: Too much plane?
A Kaos isn't a trainer, but is an outstanding classic style aerobat. The two big differences between an Extra 300 vs. a sport plane is 1) no self-righting characteristics and 2) a willingness to tip stall if you flare too much on landings. Your hangar includes all the planes that I would suggest for getting competent in piloting. Use the stick to get used to having to control the plane all the time instead of just letting it right itself, and use it to learn at least basic aerobatics. I'll suggest downloading the Senior Pattern Association novice pattern and work through learning all of those maneuvers with your stick. The Super Sportster is a nice first low wing. Between it and your stick learn to do perfect straight takeoffs and spot landings that never bounce. The Kaos is an outstanding first aerobat (for that matter only aerobat) that will instantly improve your flights and make you look like a better pilot than you are. Get the novice pattern nice and solid with it and then start practicing the sportsman pattern maneuvers with it. Once you can at least do the sportsman class maneuvers you'll be a good enough pilot to fly an Extra 300 without much fear of crashing it, and practically anything else.
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RE: Too much plane?
ORIGINAL: jester_s1 A Kaos isn't a trainer, but is an outstanding classic style aerobat. The two big differences between an Extra 300 vs. a sport plane is 1) no self-righting characteristics and 2) a willingness to tip stall if you flare too much on landings. Your hangar includes all the planes that I would suggest for getting competent in piloting. Use the stick to get used to having to control the plane all the time instead of just letting it right itself, and use it to learn at least basic aerobatics. I'll suggest downloading the Senior Pattern Association novice pattern and work through learning all of those maneuvers with your stick. The Super Sportster is a nice first low wing. Between it and your stick learn to do perfect straight takeoffs and spot landings that never bounce. The Kaos is an outstanding first aerobat (for that matter only aerobat) that will instantly improve your flights and make you look like a better pilot than you are. Get the novice pattern nice and solid with it and then start practicing the sportsman pattern maneuvers with it. Once you can at least do the sportsman class maneuvers you'll be a good enough pilot to fly an Extra 300 without much fear of crashing it, and practically anything else. Good advice from Jester. I really like Extras and Edges and those are the planes I fly the most, however I started off on a straight wing plane too early in my learning and it cost me some money as I was not comfortable enough with landings and air speed to understand. Also the smaller Extra airframes are more difficult to fly than the larger ones. I fly 30cc and 50cc and even the difference between a 30cc Extra and 50cc Extra is enough to make a difference. Some of the 40 sizes can be very difficult. Make sure when you do get going with an Extra you are conservative on the control surfaces when you first start out. You can fly them pretty docile if it is one of the higher quality airframes. To me the objective is to have many years of good flying but not waste money crashing your planes. I know some guys that have and do fly planes that are over 20 years old. |
RE: Too much plane?
Gimme an Extra ... and make it snappy!
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RE: Too much plane?
I too would recommend flying the Kaos prior to thinking about getting an Extra,Edge,type plane. Fly the Kaos until you can get comfortable running the pattern at your field inverted. After you can handle that with the Kaos then you can move in to an Extra. I have a 40 size Extra and it is a fun plane that will do almost anything and "get you into trouble quickly" is one of them. You really need to be on your game when flying the smaller size.
Keep practicing and it will come. |
RE: Too much plane?
I fly Extras, I have had them from little 30 size to 40% and to date I have only had one that tended to snap. It was a prototype ARF that was rejected by Tower when they were going to build the Patty ARF, it was an over weight 30% plane. Before I flew any Extra I was already flying the Kaos and a lot of fun fly type of planes. Once someone can fly the Kaos well I see no problem with going to an Extra at all. I did have a 13 year old student that went from the trainer to a 4* 60 then to an Extra 300 and the 300 was too much plane for him so get good with the Kaos first then go for the Extra. The difference between the little 30 size and the 40% is the little plane does everything faster, that's about it. Nothing real tricky about them except the landing speed is about the same as the Kaos. I still fly the old CG Extra and love the plane.
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RE: Too much plane?
ORIGINAL: jester_s1 A Kaos isn't a trainer, but is an outstanding classic style aerobat. The two big differences between an Extra 300 vs. a sport plane is 1) no self-righting characteristics and 2) a willingness to tip stall if you flare too much on landings. Your hangar includes all the planes that I would suggest for getting competent in piloting. Use the stick to get used to having to control the plane all the time instead of just letting it right itself, and use it to learn at least basic aerobatics. I'll suggest downloading the Senior Pattern Association novice pattern and work through learning all of those maneuvers with your stick. The Super Sportster is a nice first low wing. Between it and your stick learn to do perfect straight takeoffs and spot landings that never bounce. The Kaos is an outstanding first aerobat (for that matter only aerobat) that will instantly improve your flights and make you look like a better pilot than you are. Get the novice pattern nice and solid with it and then start practicing the sportsman pattern maneuvers with it. Once you can at least do the sportsman class maneuvers you'll be a good enough pilot to fly an Extra 300 without much fear of crashing it, and practically anything else. |
RE: Too much plane?
Depending on how the fuse is twisted : You might be able to twist it straight and secure it in that position while you spray water on it very lightly and for a long time until you think it might be straight . If it isn't do it some more .
Of course this works best if it's not covered . I straightened one once buy really soaking it right at the twist for a couple days, then let it really dry good . ENJOY !!! RED |
RE: Too much plane?
ORIGINAL: red head Depending on how the fuse is twisted : You might be able to twist it straight and secure it in that position while you spray water on it very lightly and for a long time until you think it might be straight . If it isn't do it some more . Of course this works best if it's not covered . I straightened one once buy really soaking it right at the twist for a couple days, then let it really dry good . ENJOY !!! RED |
RE: Too much plane?
ORIGINAL: Gray Beard I fly Extras, I have had them from little 30 size to 40% and to date I have only had one that tended to snap. It was a prototype ARF that was rejected by Tower when they were going to build the Patty ARF, it was an over weight 30% plane. Before I flew any Extra I was already flying the Kaos and a lot of fun fly type of planes. Once someone can fly the Kaos well I see no problem with going to an Extra at all. I did have a 13 year old student that went from the trainer to a 4* 60 then to an Extra 300 and the 300 was too much plane for him so get good with the Kaos first then go for the Extra. The difference between the little 30 size and the 40% is the little plane does everything faster, that's about it. Nothing real tricky about them except the landing speed is about the same as the Kaos. I still fly the old CG Extra and love the plane. I agree with what Gene says here. Extras in general are great flying airplanes but I would suggest going with one in the 30cc size range. The overall cost is not a whole lot more then the Great Planes .60 size Extra and the 30cc will have a much lighter wing loading. Correctly set up most Extras would make a fine second tail dragger. |
RE: Too much plane?
ORIGINAL: speedracerntrixie ORIGINAL: Gray Beard I fly Extras, I have had them from little 30 size to 40% and to date I have only had one that tended to snap. It was a prototype ARF that was rejected by Tower when they were going to build the Patty ARF, it was an over weight 30% plane. Before I flew any Extra I was already flying the Kaos and a lot of fun fly type of planes. Once someone can fly the Kaos well I see no problem with going to an Extra at all. I did have a 13 year old student that went from the trainer to a 4* 60 then to an Extra 300 and the 300 was too much plane for him so get good with the Kaos first then go for the Extra. The difference between the little 30 size and the 40% is the little plane does everything faster, that's about it. Nothing real tricky about them except the landing speed is about the same as the Kaos. I still fly the old CG Extra and love the plane. I agree with what Gene says here. Extras in general are great flying airplanes but I would suggest going with one in the 30cc size range. The overall cost is not a whole lot more then the Great Planes .60 size Extra and the 30cc will have a much lighter wing loading. Correctly set up most Extras would make a fine second tail dragger. |
RE: Too much plane?
t-max, You've got your planes in the correct order of advancement; trainer, then stick, then super sportster, then Kaos, then Extra. All of the previous advice is right on. I would also suggest that if at any point you are not comfortable taking the next step (next plane) don't be afraid to get one of the experienced guys at the field to help you with the first flight or two. This is S.O.P. and we all sometimes get help from the "pros". Just be selective in who you get to fly your plane and help you. "Bad help" is worse than "no help"! Peter, Gary, and Mike are good pilots and would be good selections.
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RE: Too much plane?
If you have the room and the bucks get the Hangar 9 Extra 300. Great flying airplane
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RE: Too much plane?
ORIGINAL: 52larry52 t-max, You've got your planes in the correct order of advancement; trainer, then stick, then super sportster, then Kaos, then Extra. All of the previous advice is right on. I would also suggest that if at any point you are not comfortable taking the next step (next plane) don't be afraid to get one of the experienced guys at the field to help you with the first flight or two. This is S.O.P. and we all sometimes get help from the ''pros''. Just be selective in who you get to fly your plane and help you. ''Bad help'' is worse than ''no help''! Peter, Gary, and Mike are good pilots and would be good selections. |
RE: Too much plane?
ORIGINAL: jetmech05 If you have the room and the bucks get the Hangar 9 Extra 300. Great flying airplane |
RE: Too much plane?
Hey tmax that why we do it. Love the feeling on the first flight. They are telling you the truth. A GS plane flys so easy that when you fly one for the first time you;ll be somewhat disappointed. It'll be to easy and you think it shouldn't be.
Only you know when your ready for bigger and better. And if your wrong it only costs you a air frame. All the other stuff will go back into a new plane. Dennis |
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Our club president has the GP 40 size Extra and he likes it a lot. He does land it pretty hot. He says he likes to see the tire smoke when it touches down, which is funny sine wwe have a grass runway.
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ORIGINAL: DadsToysBG Hey tmax that why we do it. Love the feeling on the first flight. They are telling you the truth. A GS plane flys so easy that when you fly one for the first time you;ll be somewhat disappointed. It'll be to easy and you think it shouldn't be. Only you know when your ready for bigger and better. And if your wrong it only costs you a air frame. All the other stuff will go back into a new plane. Dennis |
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See your ready for GS. Got the terms down already. I'm too lazy to type that much. You can see my to the left. Dennis
forgot i haven't changed pictures in a while. The bipe had a quick death. Now I'm flying a H-9 Suk. 122" wing with a 150cc. Dennis |
RE: Too much plane?
ORIGINAL: DadsToysBG See your ready for GS. Got the terms down already. I'm too lazy to type that much. You can see my to the left. Dennis forgot i haven't changed pictures in a while. The bipe had a quick death. Now I'm flying a H-9 Suk. 122'' wing with a 150cc. Dennis |
RE: Too much plane?
Never fly anything you cant afford to wreck! Take your time and learn something different from every plane you fly.
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RE: Too much plane?
I went form a trainer to a 4 star 40 and to a Kangke Extra 40 in just a few months and it's still my favorite plane. I bought mine used and upgraded from a .46 with pipe to a .70 four stroke OS. Very nice combination, this is the plane I really learned how to fly with.
You don't want to slow it down too much, it's harder to recover then a trainer, but I didn't find it hard to fly at all. So after your trainer and the Stick you should be ready for the Extra |
RE: Too much plane?
Get yourself an Extra 260 27% from Hangar Nine. They are listed on EBay. This plane flies like a trainer and with the right powerplant will do anything you ask from it.
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Wow, he already said he doesn't want to spend a lot of money . After properly outfitting a 1/4 scale he would be in to it for a good chunk of money plus it is still a huge jump from his 40 size planes to a 1/4 scale. He is on the right track now and given enough time he will be able to fly that 40 size Extra just fine. :)
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RE: Too much plane?
There is no such thing as too much plane, or too much speed.
It's never enough! [8D] |
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