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What's the difference??? Edge, Extra, Yak?
This is an education question for you aircraft experts. I just bought a Seagull Edge 540 60. ;)
In researching this plane it was hard to tell the difference between an Edge and a Extra???? Also what do the numbers mean? Whats the difference between an Edge or Extra 260, 330, 300 or 540???? I know it's not size since I have seen all sizes of each aircraft. Also, how do these aircraft differ from a Sukoi, Yak or a Cap? :eek: Thanks for the education.. Tom |
RE: What's the difference??? Edge, Extra, Yak?
Extra No.'s are the engines hp.
Since you've researched the planes, you noticed the rudder area difference, elevator area and the wing shape / location difference. |
RE: What's the difference??? Edge, Extra, Yak?
extras have a tapered leading edge as far as the numbers they mean the modle for the airplane but a 260 the wing and the horizonal are in a straight line were a 300 and a 330 the horizonal is higher than tha wing in real life i think there are only 2 260's and i think only a few 330 bit alot of 300 the edge 540 i don't know much about except the leading edge of the wing is a straight line making the plane not want to stall very eazy that makes it a great 3d plane but not good for imac
a cap is a low wing plane same wing as an extra but tends to be snappy unless the cg is perfect and there set up right also another great 3d plane and in my oppion yaks and sukois suck i just don't like the way they look |
RE: What's the difference??? Edge, Extra, Yak?
Extra: Origin is German by a man named Walter Extra. The number is the model and if it has a modifier that is a special version such as the 300S and 300L (two seat version) 260 is mid winged and now favored by many modelers because it has the thrust line, wing, and tail all near the same axis. Other variants include 300S, 300SH, 300SHP, 330, 300XS, 300L, 300LP, 300SP and 300SR.
Edge: Produced by Zivco Aeronautics. Popular models of the 540 include the 540T and 540X. Has a straight leading edge which makes it favorable for 3D because the mean aerodynamic chord (MAC as it is often abbreviated) is actually swept forward and causes a stall to begin at the root of the wing instead of at the tip. Like the Extra 260 is mid winged and has engine, wing, and tail on same axis. Cap: French design, low wing, models often have trouble with coupling during knife edge flight. Sukhoi: Russian design with radial engine. Used to be fairly popular in the RC world but has fallen out of favor with most manufacturers for some reason. In my opinion only, it is a beautiful design. The SU-26 model was the original single seat version. The SU-29 has two seats for aerobatic training, and the SU-31 is the top end of this design with a stronger engine and some versions having retractable landing gear. Yes, this is the same Sukhoi company that produces Russian military aircraft. Yak: Russian manufactured by the Yakolev company (again, military origins dating back to the 40’s) Popular models include the Yak 54 and 55 with variants of both. With it’s similar layout and radial engine, Yaks are often mistaken for Sukhois. Popular with modelers for marketing reasons mostly. In 2004 Extreme Flight RC brought to market a phenomenal model of the Yak for 50cc 3D. Very light, strong, and had great flight performance, the company released only a limited number to the public because of supply problems being a new company. With a long list of customers wanting the be all end all yak from EFRC and no planes to fill orders, most other major RC companies jumped on the Yak design and sold them to hungry modelers everywhere. That combined with QQ flying a Yak in competitions continued the marketing of Yaks to the masses. |
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ORIGINAL: bobby crashes my planes "in my oppion yaks and sukois suck i just don't like the way they look" The above, is only my opinion and some information which I have heard from others. My opinion, a buck and a quarter, buys me a nice hot cup of coffee! |
RE: What's the difference??? Edge, Extra, Yak?
so who's right about the extra numbers
is it the horsepower or model nimber? |
RE: What's the difference??? Edge, Extra, Yak?
It's mainly horsepower, but Extra also produces an Extra 400 and 500. The Extra 500, a turboprop with 450 shp, seems to follow a model number pattern. The 200, 230, 260, and 300 all seem to follow a horsepower designation, though.
www.extraaircraft.com The Edge 540 is so named for the displacement of engine. |
RE: What's the difference??? Edge, Extra, Yak?
Extra also makes two place versions and the numbers describe these variations although I can't tell how.
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RE: What's the difference??? Edge, Extra, Yak?
The "L," as in "300L," is for low-wing, tandem seat. The "S," as in "300S," is a single-seat version with more of a mid-wing. The "300SP" and "LP" are their latest versions; they include upgrades (like carbon-fiber cowlings) that saved about 30 pounds from the "300S/L."
-Clint |
RE: What's the difference??? Edge, Extra, Yak?
Here are the Wikipedia links that will answer your original question best.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Extra http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zivko_Edge_540 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-54 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-26 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAP_Aviation_CAP-232 Aerosman [8D] |
RE: What's the difference??? Edge, Extra, Yak?
hello all, <div>
</div><div>Talkin about RC planes....what one is the easiest and the hardest to fly?</div> |
RE: What's the difference??? Edge, Extra, Yak?
ORIGINAL: andrebiasoli hello all, <div> </div><div>Talkin about RC planes....what one is the easiest and the hardest to fly?</div> |
RE: What's the difference??? Edge, Extra, Yak?
ORIGINAL: andrebiasoli hello all, <div> </div><div>Talkin about RC planes....what one is the easiest and the hardest to fly?</div> I've had several different sizes of these aerobats.. In general, and my experience, I'd have to say the Extra's were the easiest. I've had 3 sizes ranging from .40size up to 50cc, and each one seemed more stable then all the rest. Then come the Edge's.. of which I've had 3 of those.. ranging in size from about 200watt electric, up to 1.80 size...These planes are just a bit different then the Extra's in general.. where the Extra was like a race car stuck to the road carving a track.. The Edge on the other hand is more like a dirt racer overcoming terrain.. it just seems "looser".. not quite as hooked up in flight.. which allows for a bit more hot-dogging(so to speak)...put a different way.. the Edge is more "slippery" in manuevers... which is actually really cool. The Sukhoi's... wow.. I've had 2 of those.. a .40 size that was a very lively little tiger..short coupled and squirlley.. just a little hand-ful until you figured out it's combo... then I had a 1.20 size that was more of a *****-cat... but still didn't have any of the better traits of an Extra or an Edge.. I just don't think the Sukhoi ended up being as nice in model form as some would have liked.. and there's evidence of that in the fact that there doesn't seem to be nearly as many company's with Sukhoi's.... large or small.. I personally fell in love with the Extra aircraft when I saw them coming out in early/mid 90's.. and they not only look great.. the things fly incredibly well.. every one I own. The Edge runs a very close second though.. very close. Its just a matter of my mood when choosing one to fly. :) |
RE: What's the difference??? Edge, Extra, Yak?
Remember. These models only generally resemble the full scale aircraft they are modelled after. There are many, many differences between the full scale and model examples and even between the different brands/sizes of the same named plane. It would be difficult to state catagorically that all models looking like a Yak 54 would 'fly better than' all models looking like an Extra or Edge or Sukhoi or whatever.
Terry in LP |
RE: What's the difference??? Edge, Extra, Yak?
ORIGINAL: Lomcevak Duck Extra: Origin is German by a man named Walter Extra. The number is the model and if it has a modifier that is a special version such as the 300S and 300L (two seat version) 260 is mid winged and now favored by many modelers because it has the thrust line, wing, and tail all near the same axis. Other variants include 300S, 300SH, 300SHP, 330, 300XS, 300L, 300LP, 300SP and 300SR. Edge: Produced by Zivco Aeronautics. Popular models of the 540 include the 540T and 540X. Has a straight leading edge which makes it favorable for 3D because the mean aerodynamic chord (MAC as it is often abbreviated) is actually swept forward and causes a stall to begin at the root of the wing instead of at the tip. Like the Extra 260 is mid winged and has engine, wing, and tail on same axis. Cap: French design, low wing, models often have trouble with coupling during knife edge flight. Sukhoi: Russian design with radial engine. Used to be fairly popular in the RC world but has fallen out of favor with most manufacturers for some reason. In my opinion only, it is a beautiful design. The SU-26 model was the original single seat version. The SU-29 has two seats for aerobatic training, and the SU-31 is the top end of this design with a stronger engine and some versions having retractable landing gear. Yes, this is the same Sukhoi company that produces Russian military aircraft. Yak: Russian manufactured by the Yakolev company (again, military origins dating back to the 40’s) Popular models include the Yak 54 and 55 with variants of both. With it’s similar layout and radial engine, Yaks are often mistaken for Sukhois. Popular with modelers for marketing reasons mostly. In 2004 Extreme Flight RC brought to market a phenomenal model of the Yak for 50cc 3D. Very light, strong, and had great flight performance, the company released only a limited number to the public because of supply problems being a new company. With a long list of customers wanting the be all end all yak from EFRC and no planes to fill orders, most other major RC companies jumped on the Yak design and sold them to hungry modelers everywhere. That combined with QQ flying a Yak in competitions continued the marketing of Yaks to the masses. |
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that was really good info. Thanks guys!!
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This is very interesting info on the history of this type of aircraft.. thanks to all that shared that. As far as flight of the RC versions.. I can only speak of my experiences with my own aircraft.. and really it is in generality, and my own personal preference. Each owners aircraft is going to be obviously different, and varied.. and that's totally cool.
I do invite anyone's opinions/experiences with thier finding on that sub-topic.. not to get off topic at all.. I think its well within the original topic.. sameness or differences in flight, one plane to the next, and experience is how we learn. Maybe a bit of an interesting note here.. I seem to recall reading that the first series of Extra's(WalterExtra) borrowed the wing from one of the Cap aircraft.. that's a vague memory, but if anyone has insight, please share.. Somewhere I found out also.. the Midwest Extra300 and the Midwest Cap21 share an identical wing... I actually own a Midwest Extra.. and from what I can tell.. it is the same wing.. but has anyone had both, and can they confirm my suspicions? :) Again, I don't mean to take this off topic at all... but these are also questions I've had about similarities/origins.. I do think I'm an UnlimitedAerobaticJunkie.. :D So any info is appreciated. Thx. :) PS... don't forget to rate the original post... It was a very good question.. high rating in my book. :) |
RE: What's the difference??? Edge, Extra, Yak?
Tom.. how is that Edge going? That's one I've eyed now for a while. I still fly a Hanger9 Edge.. a good old plane.. Moki 1.80. It just keeps on going. One of the funnest planes I think I've had.. out of all of them.. Extra's/Sukhoi's/Edge's.. this one is the funnest. Your really going to like it. It will do anything in the book I'm sure.
The aerobats are all similar in ways.. but different in subtle ways.. but I'd have to say if there was a scale to judge fun.. the Edge would win. :) |
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Wow!!! This is 3+ year old post.
I now have 520 flights on the Edge with the original Saito 125 engine. I love to fly this plane. It's good at pattern and acrobatic flying, although, no the best at either. I did win a Senior Pattern Novice contest in 2008. I have since had a AeroWorks Yak that I felt was no better than the Seagull Edge although it cost twice as much. I lost it in the Sun and did a perfect nose plant on the runway. I replaced it with a Great Planes Venus II which is a real pattern plane. |
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So was there any substancial difference between the Edge and the Yak..? other then price... LOL :)..
I've never owned a Yak.. I think it might have to grow on me first.. I do have an EFlite QQ Yak54-3D foamy.. which is nice, but fit for another thread.. What was it that made you decide on the Yak..? as that does seem like a widely replicated plane by many companies in todays market.... do they fly that extremely well? :) |
RE: What's the difference??? Edge, Extra, Yak?
Good post
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Quique's Yaks (QQ) were his own modified design; they should fly better (at least according to him) than a typical RC Yak. I believe two of the major changes were overall length (longer tail moment) and an adjusted wing height.
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RE: What's the difference??? Edge, Extra, Yak?
My 2 favourites are the edge and the extra 260, I like the edge for imac work, set up right it tracks like its on rails, and move cog back for 3D its very lively indeed. the extra 260 is also good all round plane, again, as with any airframe, how it flkies will greatly depend on how well its set-up and where you have the cog.
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ORIGINAL: gaRCfield Quique's Yaks (QQ) were his own modified design; they should fly better (at least according to him) than a typical RC Yak. I believe two of the major changes were overall length (longer tail moment) and an adjusted wing height. Hey Joe; He also modified the horizontal stab vertical position (more aligned to the longitudinal axis of the plane), wingfoil (replaced the "fat leading edge" with a laminar type one) and rudder surface (enlarged). Aerodynamically speaking, the modifications he made gave the plane better capabilities for pattern alike maneuvering, something harder (but not impossible) with the previous configuration. Cheers Guille |
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