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freeonthree 01-11-2007 02:34 AM

I want to learn some stunts
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I don't care about 3D, and I don't think it would be considered pattern, I just want to discuss basic stunts. Been flyin over 3 years, and just started doing knife edges and inverted flying tonight. Is there a thread for basic stunt flying ?

alan0899 01-11-2007 03:03 AM

RE: I want to learn some stunts
G'day Dennis,
Check out these sites, They may help.
The first one gives good drawings on aerobatics,
This one has links to everything RC you can think of, & some that you can't.

freeonthree 01-11-2007 03:13 AM

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Thanks Allen ! I'll go check em out right now. Nice to hear from you again...

freeonthree 01-11-2007 04:47 AM

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Allen, i've been doing those for years now. (loops, rolls, emilman turn, split S, and hammerhead) Just started inverted flying and knife edges earlier tonight on the sim and will practice on friday, if the weather guessers are telling the truth. Im interested in learning the lomshevac, flat spin, and some other popular stuff. I'll be doing this stuff with my 40 size Super Stearman with a Saito 72 i've been flying for about 3 years now. Can you describe the lomshevac ? Im sure I have the spelling all wrong... and how do you put the plane into a flat spin ?

freeonthree 01-11-2007 04:56 AM

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Just found this one...
The Lomcevak is a freestyle family of maneuvres performed at airshows or in four minute frees. It is not in the Aresti catalogue and therefore may not be flown in competition.

The maneuvre consists of tumbling the airplane through the pitch axis (end to end) while it travels in a lateral direction (wingtip to wingtip).

[edit] Flying technique
Flying a Lomcevak will vary in technique from aeroplane to aeroplane and pilot to pilot. This is probably the most common technique described for a clockwise rotating engine.

Pitch up to the 45, simultaneously roll to the left with aileron and kick in full left rudder, then shove the stick full forward. The aeroplane should do about two full rotations before running out of energy. Neutralise all controls and the aircraft will recover with the nose down. Fly out of it and correct accordingly. It may be necessary to reduce the power when recovering in certain instances.
This is generally the same technique used for a knife edge spin (up or down).

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lomcevak"

Since our engines rotate counter clockwise, the inputs haved to be reversed I suppose... I have seen this one done, and it looks pretty cool... Now to find the flat spin...

alan0899 01-11-2007 05:03 AM

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G'day Dennis,
I think you may have trouble flying knife edge with a biplane, like a Super Stearman, I dunno have never tried it.
I think you are asking about 3D flying, Knife edge circuits, Harriers, walls & so on, If I'm right then you will need a more specialised plane to do that, check out that web site, the one I posted with all the links, It will have all the info you need, I'm sure.
Here is a pic of the plane I'm flying at the moment, I am currently practising Knife edge circuits, Knife edge figure 8's, & 4 point rolls, They are all much easier, with the right aircraft, & power setup.

freeonthree 01-11-2007 05:31 AM

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Real airplanes have 2 wings and round engines. lol Im a biplane freak ! My friend Greg can knife edge my Super Stearman and gain altitude easily while doing so. I just never tried it before until tonight on the sim. He can do outside loops with it good too. Im ready for the knife edge and inverted flight now, but that will get boreing fast im sure. I've been practicing tail slides, but im not too good at them yet. My favorite pilot is Sean Tucker who fly's the Red Pitts. My next plane will definently be a Pitts. My newest plane is a Cessna 182 that I put a saito 56 on, but it's just a cruiser, and it is sooooooooooo boreing compared to the Stearman. I don't think the Cessna has enough power or rudder to even do a knife edge, but i'll certainly give it a few tries. I've had a few low and mid wing planes, but I get bored with them fast. The Giles 202 would have been cool because of the size, but without a gas engine, there's no way I would have been able to afford to fly the thing. It would have been too stable to be fun for me too. One of the things I really like about biplanes is that when ya back the throttle off, they almost stop from all the wing drag, and will land pretty slowly, I like that alot. Of course steering them after landing can be a bit tricky, but thats what im used to... On the ground, the Cessna is like an RC Car, and I find that kinda boreing too now. Biplanes rock ! ! !

freeonthree 01-11-2007 05:47 AM

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Here ya go Allen. Check out Sean Tucker... the video's are great ! The Pitts is my favorite plane hands down, and soon I will have one with at least a Saito 72 on it.

alan0899 01-11-2007 06:05 AM

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G'day Dennis,
My Giles 202 has an OS 160FX, swinging an APC 17x10 prop, not a "gas" engine.
You won't get bored with anything like the Giles, Extra or Edge, trimmed properly & powered Properly. And they can be landed at just over walking pace, if trimmed correctly, ie. not nose heavy.
Dennis, try flying inverted cuban 8's, or inverted flat figure 8's, & maintain altitude, don't climb or dive all the way around, & see if you find it boring, & I'm not talking about a simulator.
Precision aerobatics are the hardest to fly properly, & you must centre all the manouvers in front of you. In fact I'm willing to bet that you can't fly a loop accurately, meaning perfectly round, starting & finishing dead level, & at the same altitude.
I'm not having a go at you, but even a "simple" loop is a very hard manouver to fly PROPERLY.

freeonthree 01-11-2007 06:25 AM

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Yeah, I have seen alot of those planes lately. Seems like their the most popular right now. Thats just not me... I have to be different for some reason. Greg got me into biplanes from the begining of my RC flying career, and I am hooked on the look and the handleing. Some planes fly to easily, and that takes the fun out of it for me. My favorite part of flying is landing, and the harder the plane is to land, the more I like it. My Stearman likes to hop sideways down the runway if you don't stay on top of it, and that is the fun part for me. If my landing isn't picture perfect, I have to go up and do it over again. On a given evening of flying here, I bet I land and take off maybe 20 to 30 times, and I don't do touch and goes, I actually land and come to almost a complete stop then take off again. I love landing more than just about anything. Thats where the real rush is I think. But if a plane is easy to land, it's just no fun for me. When ya get to that website, click on enter, and then click on the headings at the top of the page. Performance is the first one I think. That dude can fly ! and that Pitts is absolutely beautiful ! 400hp at 1100 lbs, and two wings ! How can ya not love it ? lol

freeonthree 01-11-2007 06:52 AM

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Im sure I don't do them accurately also, but thats ok, im just doing this for fun. Funny, I never even thought about that before. I do try to keep my altitude the same most of the time, but I can only do it just flying around. All the sim does is teach my thumbs what to do automatically, the rest comes easy then. If it wasn't for my sim, my nitro heli would be in a bucket by now, so the sims do work.

freeonthree 01-11-2007 07:05 AM

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Greg did a flatspin one day with his Stearman, but he couldn't pull out of it for some reason, and went splat. I think he holds them way too long anyway. Like the guys who try to get as close to the runway as they can, doing an inverted pass. Thats asking for trouble. lol I like to do all my crazy stuff high up where there's nothing to hit, like the ground. lol It's supposed to be nice friday, so maybe i'll get a chance to practice some knife edges and some inverted flight. I gotta try a few of them lomcevaks too ! Greg does them all the time, and they look real slick. I gotta get that one down for sure. Something tells me im going to be doin alot of loops now too Alan, you really got me thinking about that now. lol

alan0899 01-11-2007 03:06 PM

RE: I want to learn some stunts
G'day Dennis,
Good on ya Mate, have fun!

freeonthree 01-11-2007 03:59 PM

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Thanks Alan, right back at ya... it's a little windy here today, but im gettin ready to head to the site anyway. I may be crazy, but I have a good time. I figure that if ya just take off, you'll find a way to get er down when it's time. When it real windy, I just fly, and only land when I have too. Sometimes it takes 5 or 6 tries to get er done, but down is down none the less. lol
Sometimes I think mother nature is in a bad mood... Happy flying !

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