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glow fuel
How about glowfuel prices went to hobby store today to pick up a gallon and it was about five dolloras more, they told me it because of the olympic games in China and they had to shut down the factories intell they are over do to polution, has anyone herd this or any other reason for the price increase and how long is them olypic games going price of gas for your car goes up and now airplane fuel, food going up everthing is going up now days but are pay
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Don't know about glow fuel, but I've heard that China is hoarding the gasoline and concrete, being responsible for driving up the price of both, which is affecting the price of other goods too.
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Most methanol is likely produced locally. If you have any sort of chemical industry near you someone is producing methanol; it is a basic input to many chemical processes. Have a look in the yellow pages for motor racing fuel suppliers or chemical suppliers.
Down here methanol is quite cheap but it depends on the quantity you purchase. Basically the suppliers segment the market - when you buy 200 liters (50 gallons?) the price is much lower than when you only buy 5 or 20 litres (1-4 gallons?). I think the last time I looked at the local racing fuel supplier they wanted about $215 for a 200 litre drum and $40 to 50 for a 20 litre drum. They won't deliver 200 litre drums to a residential address because of safe storage rules - can you imagine what a 200 litre drum of methanol would do in a house fire? Buying it in 20 litre drums makes financial sense though and it's still a lot cheaper than buying at the LHS. My LHS wants $45 for 5 litres of mixed fuel. Search out a motor racing fuel supplier - they'll have nitro and methanol. My LHS sells oil. Have a look around RCU for details on mixing your own fuel. Hope this helps. Joel |
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Methanol and nitromethane are made from petroleum. I don't know how it is in Arkansas but all petroleum products have gone up in Texas. I'm surprised that it has taken so long to see glow fuel prices go up.
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Hobby People is having there 7 day sale plus there 4th of July sale?? 15% Power master is 15 magic beans, the 20/20 is 20 magic beans. They have A sale on every big weekend. I just save up all my magic and go there and stock up.
My local GOOD hobby shop has about the same prices as there sale prices all the time but not on Power Master so I do like to stock up!!;) |
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Word on the street is that the Nitromethane is the commodity that is in short supply. There are only a few plants around the world that make it, and one of them is in China. Whether it was shutdown for pollution prevention for the Olympic games or not, I'm not sure, but the price of Nitromethane has skyrocketed.
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I heard what the last poster said, that there are only a handful of nitromethane manufacturers; and I did hear that one is in China, and that they are not producing due to air quality and the olympic games. Haven't seen the price increase yet though.
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Thank goodness, I thought I was going crazy with everyone saying it comes from oil.
I also noticed a decrease in run time with an increase in nitro, and again they told me I was nuts. |
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Bottom line is everyone is in a panic, and rumors run rampant, and people are led to believe all kinds of things. I like the one where giving up a good truck to save fuel is cost effective. It's not. Simple math proves you go in the hole buying the so called fuel efficient car for at least 7 years. But that would be another thread.
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ORIGINAL: carrellh Methanol and nitromethane are made from petroleum. I don't know how it is in Arkansas but all petroleum products have gone up in Texas. I'm surprised that it has taken so long to see glow fuel prices go up. so NO amount that goes into GLOW fuel is petroleum based. That is all for todays chemistry lesson. |
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The hobby and automotive sports, only use 10% if not less combined, out of the total domestic production of alcohol. I doubt we ever "scaled back", there just was never a high demand for the fuel, and there still isn't. China has not been a primary supplier of this product for the USA overall. Only one manufacturing plant exists domestically, easily meeting the demand to produce other things, besides glow fuel, so I've read.
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ORIGINAL: carlosponti ORIGINAL: carrellh Methanol and nitromethane are made from petroleum. I don't know how it is in Arkansas but all petroleum products have gone up in Texas. I'm surprised that it has taken so long to see glow fuel prices go up. so NO amount that goes into GLOW fuel is petroleum based. That is all for todays chemistry lesson. |
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To be more specific, Nitro methane is produced by heating a mixture of propane and nitric acid. It is an exothermic reaction (meaning it produces heat) and results in a mixture of several different nitro organics which must then be separated by distillation. Propane, as we all know, is a petroleum product.
Most of the methanol used today is also produced from petroleum or coal, not by anaerobic fermentation. Most of the oil in our glow fuels today is from synthetic oils which are made from non-petroleum feedstocks. Brad |
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I wasn't thinking that propane comes from oil, but it can. If I would have remembered my chemistry I would have realized it: C3H8 is propane; it's a hydrocarbon! :eek: I imagine 'they' can obtain propane from nearly anything with an abundance of C's and H's, sobit also can come from other fossil fuels/natural gases. I think most of it comes from these sources, but apparently not all of it.
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ORIGINAL: carlosponti ORIGINAL: carrellh Methanol and nitromethane are made from petroleum. so NO amount that goes into GLOW fuel is petroleum based. That is all for todays chemistry lesson. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methanol Methanol is often called wood alcohol because it was once produced chiefly as a byproduct of the destructive distillation of wood. It is now produced synthetically by a multi-step process: natural gas and steam are reformed in a furnace to produce hydrogen and carbon monoxide; then, hydrogen and carbon monoxide gases react under pressure in the presence of a catalyst. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitromethane Nitromethane is produced industrially by treating propane with nitric acid at 350–450 °C. - I believe natural gas and propane are generally considered to be petroleum products. At the very least they are "fossil fuels" that come out of the ground, and prices on them have gone up. |
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Natural gas is a rather generic term. Most of it is methane (CH4), but other compounds are present. Besides being used for methanol production, it is the primary ingredient used in the production of the agriculture fertilizer known as anhydrous ammonia (NH3).
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carrellh i think i was trying more to point out the posts already in the engine forum and everywhere else. including nhra forums. the suppliers in the US dont supply to the hobbyists and nhra both of which get theirs primarily from china now which has shut down production. i dont know the particulars however as far as everything I have ready this isnt a product of oil prices but a flow problem from china which has deeply effected the nhra. at the end of summer its expected to resume. reguardless of how wrong i misread the nitro production in wiki :P
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I rrrrrrrrad he information and has fin bu h las gallon of fuel sold a helocal hobby shop fo 28.00..and I wa told ha whn he nex shipmn arives h price fo gallon(no a case) will be in neighborhood of forty five dollar..all I can say i I am glad I am into electrics.
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well I spoke with a large hobby retailer and whatever is the reason glow fuel is going up expoentially and in some cases its not in stock and no new shipments are anticipated until later this year.so in some instances it looks like planes will be grounded.there are few nitro plants anywhere.we had one in the us years back and when it burned down the price of model fuel jumped 5 bucks .so with china as the primary source for now the tap has been turned off and it simply wont be around. glad I have my 3Dhobby planes..
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Actually there is one producer of Nitro left in the United States, it is ANGUS, which is a subsidiary of DOW. Currently they do not sell their product to the NHRA due to lack of compliance with Nitro handling standards. However, they will sell to anyone that passes a Nitro Certification test. Right now, the only fuel manufacturer that uses exclusively ANGUS Nitro is Magnum fuels, who still sells their fuel relatively cheap (30% Heli blend for $22 a gallon) They are a US company, and Buzz the owner is a super nice guy. Some members of my club got together, and I put in one order for us, which ended up being 15 cases. 8 Gallons of 30%. . . $176. . . sign me up. American made components, mixed by americans, sounds good. For reasons I won't get into here (do all the research and think of implications why and long term effect) I won't be supporting any fuel manufacturer that uses Chinese Nitro, even when it does come available. Besides less obvious reasons, if they will just shut things down as they please to leave their customers stuck. . . then charge at the wazoo. . . that's not a company that has my best interests at heart, and doesn't deserve my hard earned $$$
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well I my self just paid about $35.00 for a gallon of omega pro 20% here in Nova Scotia canada and my local hobby shop owner has said that 15% and above will not be available for a while rite now he is out of 15% and can not get any more for a while and thats coming from morgan fuels in the USA.
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Hey Mr502go thanks for the info about Magnum fuel, I'am with you I would rather buy fuel from united states as well, and ya know shutting down a factory and chargeing more for a procduct is not right anyway.
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Hmm... maybe it's time for me to switch to electric, like I've been thinking about for a while anyways.
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