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center diff????
OK iv been asking this around the MT forms and no one can give me a straight answer, I am going to get a mammoth st soon (college books gotta come first [&o]) it will be my first 4WD rc and was wondering what the advantages of the center diff is, Its an optional part and people say it helps but i dont really know what it does, I know it destributes power but whats different from the stock setup without it?? Also what do the different weight oils do?? Iv heard people saying they run different weight oils in the different diffs, why is this?? One last thing, whats the most common way to get the oil in and out of the diffs??
I know these all sound like noob questions but iv never had to mess with diffs before thanx for any help |
RE: center diff????
OK, diffs provide an advantage in that the drivetrain isn't locked into full time 4x4. If the front or rear wheels are bogged or stuck, all the available engine power is transferrred to the wheels that can spin. Plus they offer tuning options for dramatically different behaviour based on the weight of oil (actually it's not oil, it's silicone) you put in them. It's well worth having as an option part, especially if you want to race. If you do a search you will find a lot of info, that's probably why no-one's bothered answering this post until now. And also why I'm not going to bother explaining what different silicone weights do. It's a very often discussed subject around here...
As for getting the oil in/out, there's no trick to it, you open the diff, fill it 3/4 full, put the diff back together...getting thick silicone out is a nightmare, we all have different ways of doing it, but it's never easy. Hope that helps...why don't you get a buggy instead, much faster, tougher, cooler...more raceable... |
RE: center diff????
I'll copy and paste :). Because you'll be running a truck instead of a buggy anything you rear next about diff setup your just going to need some thicker oil because of the larger tires and weight. Anything thats going to be put next is from another thread and its a buggy setup. Also to put the oil in the diffs you need to take the diff out and disasemble it and clean it before you fill it with new diff oil. If your only bashing around non of this is nesissary and neither is a center diff.
Front diff- Thick oil: Thick oil will give you slow turn in because of the resistance between the wheels but strong on throttle grip because it will put more power to both wheels instead of power to the single wheel with the least traction (the inside wheel). Thin oil: very responcive steering and quick turn in because theres little resistance between how fast each wheel spins (this can make the car's handling very twitchy aswell) but you wont get much pull when your on the throttle steering out of a corner because it throws all of the power to the wheel with the least traction. Good choice range would be between 3,000 to 10,000 weight. For an MT... 5,000 to 20,000 weight. Center diff- Thick oil: thicker oil will give you lots of power to all 4 tires under accleration because the diff is getting closer to being locked so you also get a lot more straight ahead pull with all 4 tires putting power to the ground... if your on a high traction track where you can't break the rear tires loose of traction this will give you understeer because the rear tires push the front tires straight ahead.... on low traction tracks this will give you oversteer on throttle because it will break the rear tires loose of traction easily making the rear end slide out. Thin oil: lots of power thrown to the front tires making it more like a front wheel drive buggy so on straight ahead acceleration it wont pull as hard as the thicker oil will... more power to the front wheels = more steering with the wheels turned when your on the throttle no matter what conditions your in but it wont try to break the rear tires loose as easily making the buggy more predictable to drive. Good choice range would be 5,000 to 10,000 weight. For an MT.... 7,000 to 50,000 weight. Rear diff- Thick oil: slow turn in because of high resistance between each wheels speed but when your on the throttle it will break traction to both rear tires because of the "posi" type traction making the buggy loose on exits (this can make the buggies handling a little unpredictable). Thin oil: quick turn in because of low resistance between each wheel... for exiting corners on throttle it puts a lot of power to the tire with the least amount of traction (always the inside tire) making it hard for both tires to break loose and lose grip of the surface which makes handling very predictable and smooth. Good choice range would be from 1,000 to 5,000 weight. For an MT... 3,000 to 10,000 weight. Best base setup is to put close to mid way between each of the extreme I put (about 10,000 front - 20,000 center - and 5,000 rear for your mammoth. I never raced a truck so thats all based on educated guesses really. Atleast you have somewhere to start now) This is a lot of information to take in all at one time but it will really help you get the buggy to handle how you want it to and will be very helpfull if your racing. Good base setup seems to be 5f-7c-3r and thats what I'm running in my kyosho. 5 front smooths out turn in while gived good pull out of the corners... 7 center does give me a tiny bit of push on throttle unless I can break the rear tires loose but it really helps me accelerate hard going straight... 3 rear keep the rear stable letting me turn in easily and still break both tires loose a little when I want to. The best way to learn what diff setups do what is hands on experience but this should really help you out. |
RE: center diff????
2+2 or brake clean gets diff oil out easy :D.
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RE: center diff????
sweet thanx everyone, that will help one last question, how much does the diff oil cost (just an aproxamation)?
thanx again |
RE: center diff????
Here is a search for "DIFF SILICONE" off of Ace Hardware Hobbies page
http://www.acehardwarehobbies.com/2....=DIFF+SILICONE |
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