Diff. between .21 and .28
Yes, forgive my dumb and noobish question, but I never found out why people run .21 and they like it better than .28... isn't .28 suppossed to be "faster" and give out more displacement? My guess is that .28 has lots of torque and good top end, but .21 has more of a comperssion ratio (just spittin words out) and gives out more power?
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RE: Diff. between .21 and .28
I assume you're referring to the use of a .21 in a truggy over a .28. Anything over a .21 is not legal in a buggy for any class but "sportsman" at club level.
The reason is very simple. Fuel economy. When you get to the upper levels of truggy racing winning comes down to missing a jump, a bad marshall, or a fuel stop. If I can run a 15 minute main and only pit once because I'm running a RB Concepts C6BB .21 with their 2045 header/pipe combo and get 9 mins on a 150 ml tank then I only need to pit once. While the guy running a cheap .28 engine can only get 6 1/2 mins and needs to pit twice. That 10 second pit stop may be the difference between winning and losing. |
RE: Diff. between .21 and .28
There about a .07 difference... :D
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RE: Diff. between .21 and .28
Being this is the buggy thread I am guessing he is talking about buggies correct me if I am wrong. One of the main reasons is most if not all sanction racing the limit is .21 on buggies. You would be surprised how much less the fuel consumption is on the .21 over bigger engines. On a 7 or 8 pound buggy a good .21 is all you need.
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RE: Diff. between .21 and .28
aznbash, come to Leisure Hours in Joliet, IL. and race indoor nitro with us on Sundays. You'll learn a lot more there than on line. Check it out www.leisurehoursraceway.com
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RE: Diff. between .21 and .28
i was thinking about getting a .32 sure fire for my duratrax axis then should i not get it then is it going to burn a lot of fuel. but when u gun it it sucks up more air than fuel right. and what kind of diff. oil would i want to get on it would it mess up everything of my diffs.
thanks mike |
RE: Diff. between .21 and .28
in my opinon .21's have more bottom end power for fast take off's, most 1/8 tracks are usally reasonably tight so bottom end power is needed more than top end.
big block's (.28,.30 etc) are good for open tracks with fast straights but lack bottom end power and are also illegal except for sportsman and unlimited classes. |
RE: Diff. between .21 and .28
ORIGINAL: sexyfingaz in my opinon .21's have more bottom end power for fast take off's, most 1/8 tracks are usally reasonably tight so bottom end power is needed more than top end. big block's (.28,.30 etc) are good for open tracks with fast straights but lack bottom end power and are also illegal except for sportsman and unlimited classes. |
RE: Diff. between .21 and .28
It also has to do with the fact that until recently when truggies got popular most engine companies were focusing there technology on .21's since that was the only race legal big block. This made the engines better than the big blocks that were floating around. Now the big blocks are catching up, but the .21's are still faster in a buggy as that is what they are designed around.
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RE: Diff. between .21 and .28
ORIGINAL: Super_Dave ORIGINAL: sexyfingaz in my opinon .21's have more bottom end power for fast take off's, most 1/8 tracks are usally reasonably tight so bottom end power is needed more than top end. big block's (.28,.30 etc) are good for open tracks with fast straights but lack bottom end power and are also illegal except for sportsman and unlimited classes. Ohh yes they can get the same rpm, they are just not ported for it like you said. |
RE: Diff. between .21 and .28
The reason is because the maximum legal displacement is
.21 ci, a .28 built to the same standards as a .21 should be faster. |
RE: Diff. between .21 and .28
ORIGINAL: axisrc i was thinking about getting a .32 sure fire for my duratrax axis then should i not get it then is it going to burn a lot of fuel. but when u gun it it sucks up more air than fuel right. and what kind of diff. oil would i want to get on it would it mess up everything of my diffs. thanks mike |
RE: Diff. between .21 and .28
axisrc, I wouldn't suggest a Surefire .32. It's just not a very good motor. Believe it or not, but a lot of the top racers around Chicago who have the RBs and Novarossi engines have a healthy respect for the Sportwerks .26v2. If you're looking for a powerhouse motor that won't kill your wallet that's the motor. Another is the SH ProSpec .28. I run that and it's amazing for the money.
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RE: Diff. between .21 and .28
ORIGINAL: satoch axisrc, I wouldn't suggest a Surefire .32. It's just not a very good motor. Believe it or not, but a lot of the top racers around Chicago who have the RBs and Novarossi engines have a healthy respect for the Sportwerks .26v2. If you're looking for a powerhouse motor that won't kill your wallet that's the motor. Another is the SH ProSpec .28. I run that and it's amazing for the money. |
RE: Diff. between .21 and .28
Doesn’t SH make the Sportswerks? I think so and SH makes good engiens.
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thanks i will look on it today
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which powerhouse engine dam that sh engine anit that much might get it
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where should i buy it from ebay says buy it now for $130
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also does any of those engine take a lot of gas. should i get a new gas tank it has to fit in the duratrax axis with no problems. like some kind of tank that will be good for that engine bigger tank.
thanks mike |
RE: Diff. between .21 and .28
http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...oducts_id/7458
$125 This one has a pull start if you need one without the pull start then try here: http://www.horizonhobby.com/Search/D...twerks&CatId=E You don't need a bigger fuel tank for bashing. The .26 doesn't take that much more fuel then a .21 but when your racing you need all that you can get. |
RE: Diff. between .21 and .28
Sanctioning rules a side. There are 2 reasons companies put larger than .21 in buggy kits in my opinion.
1.) Bigger sells if someone off the street walked into a hobby shop and saw to RTR buggies for about the same price one with a .21 and one with .28 they would most likely buy the one with the bigger motor. 2.) Entry level .28 are cheaper to make and will have better performance than a cheap entry level .21. It cost almost nothing in material and tooling to add .07cm to a sleeve and piston to fit in a .21 block. It cost a lot more money to tool a production run to manufacture a performance level .21 ( percision porting , timing, crank shaft, etc) |
RE: Diff. between .21 and .28
quote; "the Nova will last 10+ U.S. gallons"
Do nova, or rb for that matter, make an engine which will last longer than this?! |
RE: Diff. between .21 and .28
ORIGINAL: microengine quote; "the Nova will last 10+ U.S. gallons" Do nova, or rb for that matter, make an engine which will last longer than this?! |
RE: Diff. between .21 and .28
Well, I have a turmoil buggy converted to a truggy. Should I stick with .28? how about .32? [>:]
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