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Old 02-06-2013, 02:36 PM
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Hummm, ive got mixed thoughts, mostly bad ones lol

Its got a very strange front suspension setup reminds me of the VW's u see racing in the BAJA 1000

But it hard to tell but it could possibly have rear suspension like on the older Kyosho mini Z
or it its anything like the E10, the chassis has more flex than the rock hard springs and shocks lol

Looks like it will be neer impossible to drive, those little wheels are going to have problems with traction.....


All i think....Highspeed runs anyone?

hey who rembers the Traxxas Street Sport?
throw a MM2200 on 6S should really fly with the direct drive setup
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Well...I kinda made my own rear wheel drive car...Ford Escort Mk2 Rally...

You can see some parts of the build here (I need to update it some more)...I just got the front disc brakes working....
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_11..._3/key_/tm.htm


Or the full build over here ( if its allowed)..
http://www.scale4x4rc.org/forums/showthread.php?t=71407
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Well...I kinda made my own rear wheel drive car...Ford Escort Mk2 Rally...

You can see some parts of the build here (I need to update it some more)...I just got the front disc brakes working....
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_11..._3/key_/tm.htm


Or the full build over here ( if its allowed)..
http://www.scale4x4rc.org/forums/showthread.php?t=71407
the what is a highly probable piece of crap this thread is about doesn't compare to the slightest of your well designed vehicle that it looks like a lot of planning, and thought was put into

This HPI design on the other hand reminds me now that I think about it of a $25 tyco I had in the early 90's that had no suspension at all, and handled like crap. I think it also had a solid rear axle come to think of it.
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Well...I kinda made my own rear wheel drive car...Ford Escort Mk2 Rally...

You can see some parts of the build here (I need to update it some more)...I just got the front disc brakes working....
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_11..._3/key_/tm.htm


Or the full build over here ( if its allowed)..
http://www.scale4x4rc.org/forums/showthread.php?t=71407
the what is a highly probable piece of crap this thread is about doesn't compare to the slightest of your well designed vehicle that it looks like a lot of planning, and thought was put into

This HPI design on the other hand reminds me now that I think about it of a $25 tyco I had in the early 90's that had no suspension at all, and handled like crap. I think it also had a solid rear axle come to think of it.
Hey thanks...I understand fully!...I was weened on the HPI Supers and still have a couple of them...what boggles the mind is if someone like myself without any engineering skills, but just basic skills built up from tinkering with rc cars and trucks can come up with a halfway decent build, how come they won't?

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Im not running to the store to buy it but I wouldnt mind one. Kind of unique.
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It's reminiscent of the HPI Dash that was sold about 10 years ago. It was labeled toy grade even by HPI. I have one sitting at the bottom of the closet as Itype this. Itoo hope it's priced VERY reasonably otherwise it will be a premature flop like it's predecessor, the Dash.
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The Dash was a technological marvel compared to this.
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Just to shed a little light on the tc12 thingy, 1/12th gt style car that isn't an all out pan car, easy to maintain and cheap. I don't know if its something you guys have seen much of where you are, but here in the UK its a fast growing class for indoor carpet racing. It makes for cheap, close racing. This car might be a bit late to the fight for us, everyone already has the Schumacher Supastox or the Mardave CEC. But if its really cheap I'd give it a go. On carpet these things are extremely grippy and quick!
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I can't agree because the Dash didn't have digital proportional controls. The steering servo would swing full left or right and "wiggles" at the end of it's travel to find the center point. The only thing that could be shared with hobby grade vehicles were the body, battery, wheels/tires and shocks. The new TC10 / 12 look like some thought went into them compared to the image below. The new cars appear to use standard electronics too.


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If i was going to get a RWD touring car I would look for a old one of these....all the other things look like a pan car
Can anyone rember these?

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If i was going to get a RWD touring car I would look for a old one of these....all the other things look like a pan car
Can anyone rember these?

Traxxas street sport. I remember when they sold those.

Thing is, although the tc10 is marketed as a touring car, it's much closer to a pan car. So they can't really be compared.

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I agree that u cant compare a pan to touring, I thought id post it up anyway for the people that have not seen one

mind u, when u compare the TC10 to other pancars even the vintage ones, it doesent look very promising.

IMO things like this can hurt a manifactures image, It doesent really spell quality for HPI
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Well...I kinda made my own rear wheel drive car...Ford Escort Mk2 Rally...

You can see some parts of the build here (I need to update it some more)...I just got the front disc brakes working....
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_11..._3/key_/tm.htm


Or the full build over here ( if its allowed)..
http://www.scale4x4rc.org/forums/showthread.php?t=71407
the what is a highly probable piece of crap this thread is about doesn't compare to the slightest of your well designed vehicle that it looks like a lot of planning, and thought was put into

This HPI design on the other hand reminds me now that I think about it of a $25 tyco I had in the early 90's that had no suspension at all, and handled like crap. I think it also had a solid rear axle come to think of it.
OMG, I totally agree.
Prestonalal, This thread would be wholy different if HPI released a car like you have built!
A front motor, rear drive solid axle, with front disk brakes..... a thing of absolute beauty!

We always say have RWD trucks dont handle well, because breaking only happens on the rear....so if you turn while braking the truck does a 180.
But with front disk brakes the result should be very different. And you can with modern ESC's and some servo calibration you could effectively set a braking bias how you like!

Seriously, with all the shaft and belt driven onroad cars availible, what hasnt any company decided to build a TRUELY scale RWD car. If it was true scale with a solid axle and front brakes then it should handle decent. Sure, it wont be a racer or hang with 4wd cars, but it would be tons of fun to drive. Who wouldnt want to do a burnout....without havign to put your foot in front of the car?!

Presonalal, if I had a ton of spare cash right now Id make you a generous offer on that car. Its a wonderful build. Its really sad that the big rc companies dont see what true hobbiest build and then do likewise on a production scale. It does seem many of them only care about pumping out new models to make a quick buck, instead of coming up with truely unique and wonderful models.
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thats a very good point about breaks on rwd drive cars

are they really needed? I know a german company is devoleping a disc set for pan cars, but all the diehard racers think it will slow them down because of the increased weight.

then when we look at touring car racing, some guys fit one way diffs to there cars to make it only rear wheel braking(i know thats not essentially why they fit them) its more to do with having the pull from a locked diff on power and haveing a open diff off power
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A Tamiya has the idea with the CC01 chassis. It could be done and marketed as a scale on-road car instead of a performance racer like a 4WD touring car. Make car and truck bodies for them too. I think you guys are on to something.
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I can't agree because the Dash didn't have digital proportional controls. The steering servo would swing full left or right and ''wiggles'' at the end of it's travel to find the center point. The only thing that could be shared with hobby grade vehicles were the body, battery, wheels/tires and shocks. The new TC10 / 12 look like some thought went into them compared to the image below. The new cars appear to use standard electronics too.

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You're right, I was thinking of something else, my apologies, thanks for the pic.
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I agree that u cant compare a pan to touring, I thought id post it up anyway for the people that have not seen one

mind u, when u compare the TC10 to other pancars even the vintage ones, it doesent look very promising.

IMO things like this can hurt a manifactures image
, It doesent really spell quality for HPI
If you haven't noticed HPI has no qualms about that
bone headed things HPI's done in their recent history
Sold the Brama 10b, and E10 at high prices(and keep them there) even though they have glaringly huge quality issues which make newbights look like they had a ton of R&D, and quality control testing
Recon insane replacement parts cost, weak rims that shatter on normal use, brittle shock towers to name a few issues that effect them
Trophy's weak drive chain all around
Bullet flux, originals shipped with a 35A EZ-run setup which I don't know what the guy at HPI was smoking when he thought a 35A EZ-run would be a good idea to put in a heavy 4wd monster truck... I think even a 65A setup is kind of a stretch for this truck

Then the whole debacle of what they are doing with their HoBoa exclusive in the US... Honestly HPI should just discontinue a good chunk of their lineup outside the savages, blitz, and firestorm, and just replace them with the HoBoa version which I think they would do much better with and probably regain some of their image.
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i agree 100% there

They allready have hobao and HB cars so IMO why not focus on those?
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I would buy one if the price is right, I love RWD cars.
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Idon't know what all this fuss is about. It looks like HPI is dabeling into the beginer World GT class.
Yes, WGT is rear wheel drive pan cars with direct drive. Same size as a touring car. You all must remember, not everyone that wants to play RC
has an unlimited budget, so sometimes we need to start off with something less expensive and work up to a full blown race rig.
A full WGT race set up can put a guy back $500 plus. So I see nothing wrong with HPI offering up a less costly alternitave.


P.S. Don't like it, don't buy one, but why do you feel the need to discourage someone just because you don't like it?
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I don't know what all this fuss is about. It looks like HPI is dabeling into the beginer World GT class.
Yes, WGT is rear wheel drive pan cars with direct drive. Same size as a touring car. You all must remember, not everyone that wants to play RC
has an unlimited budget, so sometimes we need to start off with something less expensive and work up to a full blown race rig.
A full WGT race set up can put a guy back $500 plus. So I see nothing wrong with HPI offering up a less costly alternitave.


P.S. Don't like it, don't buy one, but why do you feel the need to discourage someone just because you don't like it?
If you're right, then I have no argument, unfortunately available evidence doesn't support this hypothesis (that they are entering a new racing class or dabbling in one or breaking into one). Also, I'm not bashing it cos 'I don't like it', I have no feelings either way about it, it's not aimed at me at all. I question its value to the hobby and wonder what HPI believes this adds to their portfolio. Lastly, we don't even know if it will be cheap yet, cheap hasn't been HPI's style lately.

We'll see...
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I don't know what all this fuss is about. It looks like HPI is dabeling into the beginer World GT class.
Yes, WGT is rear wheel drive pan cars with direct drive. Same size as a touring car. You all must remember, not everyone that wants to play RC
has an unlimited budget, so sometimes we need to start off with something less expensive and work up to a full blown race rig.
A full WGT race set up can put a guy back $500 plus. So I see nothing wrong with HPI offering up a less costly alternitave.


P.S. Don't like it, don't buy one, but why do you feel the need to discourage someone just because you don't like it?
If you're right, then I have no argument, unfortunately available evidence doesn't support this hypothesis (that they are entering a new racing class or dabbling in one or breaking into one). Also, I'm not bashing it cos 'I don't like it', I have no feelings either way about it, it's not aimed at me at all. I question its value to the hobby and wonder what HPI believes this adds to their portfolio. Lastly, we don't even know if it will be cheap yet, cheap hasn't been HPI's style lately.

We'll see...
pretty much

I'm mainly wondering if HPI is trying to go bankrupt releasing stupid things, as I own a fair amount of older HPI's that I love and would like continued parts support
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Idk it looks good enough for me but why is there no suspension?
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I see trailing arms up front and a link style pod. So it has suspension.
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Well...I kinda made my own rear wheel drive car...Ford Escort Mk2 Rally...

You can see some parts of the build here (I need to update it some more)...I just got the front disc brakes working....
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_11..._3/key_/tm.htm


Or the full build over here ( if its allowed)..
http://www.scale4x4rc.org/forums/showthread.php?t=71407
the what is a highly probable piece of crap this thread is about doesn't compare to the slightest of your well designed vehicle that it looks like a lot of planning, and thought was put into

This HPI design on the other hand reminds me now that I think about it of a $25 tyco I had in the early 90's that had no suspension at all, and handled like crap. I think it also had a solid rear axle come to think of it.
OMG, I totally agree.
Prestonalal, This thread would be wholy different if HPI released a car like you have built!
A front motor, rear drive solid axle, with front disk brakes..... a thing of absolute beauty!

We always say have RWD trucks dont handle well, because breaking only happens on the rear....so if you turn while braking the truck does a 180.
But with front disk brakes the result should be very different. And you can with modern ESC's and some servo calibration you could effectively set a braking bias how you like!

Seriously, with all the shaft and belt driven onroad cars availible, what hasnt any company decided to build a TRUELY scale RWD car. If it was true scale with a solid axle and front brakes then it should handle decent. Sure, it wont be a racer or hang with 4wd cars, but it would be tons of fun to drive. Who wouldnt want to do a burnout....without havign to put your foot in front of the car?!

Presonalal, if I had a ton of spare cash right now Id make you a generous offer on that car. Its a wonderful build. Its really sad that the big rc companies dont see what true hobbiest build and then do likewise on a production scale. It does seem many of them only care about pumping out new models to make a quick buck, instead of coming up with truely unique and wonderful models.
Hey there Nitro,
Did a small test vid.....!
Still need to do some more fine tuning and still need to strip it all down to paint the interior!

http://youtu.be/Be7EmTvUPVw



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