Air-kill is coming back!
06-14-2015, 06:18 AM
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Not a lot of documentation out there for the Ta-152. I went to the NATS with mine as well and no one knew what it was. I had judges telling me I had wrong colors on my plane and that pissed me off. I even have pics and research from the one at the Smithsonion Cherry Hill facility and this guy is an expert, not. The packet I made for my plane I copyrighted and was planning on selling a docs set. The Scale Masters guys absolutely loved the book I made.
06-14-2015, 06:25 AM
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I'm working on a Holman Dora. I've got everything for it, I just need to work up the ambition to glass the wings and tail. Most of the rest is done and ready for paint. About a year ago I got to see a full-size 190A fly with the original BMW engine. Glorious! A 190D-13 lives in the same hangar with it and also has it's original Jumo 213. 
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06-14-2015, 06:35 AM
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I think that's the one from the old Chapmam Fighter Museum that was located in Pheonix. I saw that one run one day when I was there but it never flew. WAY COOL! The Smithsonian has the original Jumo from the Ta-152h on display, now that is Awsome for sure. I wish they would get the rest of the plane out of storage and get it restored. It's the only one in existence. If you look through the old pics in books on the Ta-152 you will find pics of the aircraft that was operated by the French after the war and was evaluated. The one in the Smithsonian is the very same aircrafts and the markings in the pics are still visible on it today.
06-14-2015, 06:42 AM
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You're right, it is the one formerly owned by Doug Champlin. The Museum of Flight in Seattle bought most of the collection and brought the Dora along with it. A few years later, Paul Allen added it to his collection at Paine Field. While airworthy, there are no plans to fly it.
06-14-2015, 07:36 AM
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Airhead, The TA 152 is a fascinating subject, and I have been gathering docs now for a long time. The aircraft in the Smithsonian was originally Green 4, and it flew in combat, with confirmed kills.
I bought a color chip book, that is used officially by the NASA judges (AMA Nats), and used those chips to match my paint. So, there should be no arguing over my colors. I will be using that color chip page in my docs. But from what I understand, the judges have one as well for reference. Colors can be problematic when you do not have actual color photos. So that is the issue with a subject such as the TA 152. I was told Dave Platt uses black and white color and marking page, and only submits chips to the judges. This may be a good tactic.
The Yellow 10 aircraft is a D 13. Although, the Holman could be turned into that variant. It needs the elliptical scoop like the TA 152 instead of the round one of the D9. I have a Holman D9 as well. It is in the corner, waiting it's turn.
I bought a color chip book, that is used officially by the NASA judges (AMA Nats), and used those chips to match my paint. So, there should be no arguing over my colors. I will be using that color chip page in my docs. But from what I understand, the judges have one as well for reference. Colors can be problematic when you do not have actual color photos. So that is the issue with a subject such as the TA 152. I was told Dave Platt uses black and white color and marking page, and only submits chips to the judges. This may be a good tactic.
The Yellow 10 aircraft is a D 13. Although, the Holman could be turned into that variant. It needs the elliptical scoop like the TA 152 instead of the round one of the D9. I have a Holman D9 as well. It is in the corner, waiting it's turn.
06-14-2015, 07:42 AM
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Also, it is great to see Airkill coming back on line. I am wondering though, what is your target market? While I am not going to say that it is dead, scale combat is not what it was, and wood planes lost popularity all the way back when we were flying in Montana. Funny how the TA 152 became so dominant, they changed the rules to make other designs competitive, as the TA 152 is all that you would see at contests. It is the only airplane I ever flew in scale combat. I loved those things.
06-14-2015, 07:56 AM
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That is why I developed my design. I was the first guy to make it work and it set the event on its ear. Everyone was cussing me out but I was coming back with all the streamers. I got out because of all the back bitting and rule *****ing. I can't see my way to develop designs for sale only to have the rules changed to make them less competitive. In real life the Ta was the baddest plane flying , it only holds true the model would do the same. As far as a target market, it sure is not scale combat. I am providing my stuff again because those who saw value in my stuff
Miss it and there are a lot of folks out there who still appreciate a scale outline on the models they fly. Wether it's electric or nitro or scale combat, racing or sport I don't care. Really I would like to find someone interested in buying the whole business as it is. I really don't have time to build and fly any more or even the drive. I looking to sell the design rights and tooling if you know of anyone 😎
Miss it and there are a lot of folks out there who still appreciate a scale outline on the models they fly. Wether it's electric or nitro or scale combat, racing or sport I don't care. Really I would like to find someone interested in buying the whole business as it is. I really don't have time to build and fly any more or even the drive. I looking to sell the design rights and tooling if you know of anyone 😎
06-14-2015, 08:06 AM
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As far as wood goes, I would fly my wood planes against any others made of foam any day. Properly built and reinforced my planes will weather any combat contest and be ready to fly anytime. When I won the 2610 Championship I did it with flying only 3 Ta-152 for the entire year. Those
Aircraft had 12 mid airs total and all were still flying at the end of the year.
Aircraft had 12 mid airs total and all were still flying at the end of the year.
06-14-2015, 08:30 AM
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Welcome back Jeff!
FWIW I was the 2105 points champion in 2000 flying foam Bearcats with K&B .21 FIRE engines. I was as fast a Jeff with that combo.
I was wondering what happened to ya. I quite becasue it went to Battle Bots and for me the fun was the scale stuff.
Sparky
FWIW I was the 2105 points champion in 2000 flying foam Bearcats with K&B .21 FIRE engines. I was as fast a Jeff with that combo.
I was wondering what happened to ya. I quite becasue it went to Battle Bots and for me the fun was the scale stuff.
Sparky
06-14-2015, 08:51 AM
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It was easy for guys to fly the wrong plane when there were 9 up at a time. I remember some trying to find bright color schemes. Those days were a lot of fun. I got burned out on fixing planes all of the time. I pretty much only do scale now, as I like to have them around for a while, and while it is probably more work in the end, I am currently finding it more gratifying. So many aspects to this hobby now.
I would guess many that would build these kits in 1/12th scale now would make them electric. Although, I would not mind having a slightly blown up version of the TA 152. Maybe 1/7th scale. Something in the 60" range.
I would guess many that would build these kits in 1/12th scale now would make them electric. Although, I would not mind having a slightly blown up version of the TA 152. Maybe 1/7th scale. Something in the 60" range.
06-14-2015, 08:58 AM
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I preferred to fly the Ta-152 because of its ablility and its plan form. Easy to pick out by sound, speed and looks. Especially when there were 3 or ore streamers hanging off the wings. Do they still allow Leading edge grip augmentation devices. Spray 77 glue?
06-14-2015, 09:08 AM
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I am sure they do. I chose the TA because of the high aspect ratio, and it's abilty to turn very tight, while losing less speed in the turn. The larger wing area, helped on hand launch as well. They were also fast, more so than some of the big designs like the corsair and Hellcat. A perfect balance really. Of course the long wing helped grabbing streamers.
06-14-2015, 06:52 PM
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Just got back from the TA 152 maiden. You are not kidding she is snappy! Got some trimming to do. I have 2 degrees of washout, but I think I may raise my ailerons a bit. Seemed to drop it's nose inverted, so I do not think I am tail heavy. Any trimming tips you may offer for the Andersen?
06-14-2015, 08:49 PM
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I had 3 degrees in mine and made
It nose heavy to begin with. The tail moment and volume are over powered by all that wing. Once it stalls it stalls hard. Use flap to hold down speed and trim for slight nose down. Adjust power to obtain desired decent rate just like real aircraft . Use only minimal elevator input on final and keep speed up. Once you touch down flaps will blank rudder authority so suck up the flaps quick on touch down and let the weight settle the plane on the ground and dance the rudder as required. It is just like a real full scale hail dragged. You have to keep flying it until the tail is firmly on the ground then you can sit back on the elevator and steer the tail wheel with confidence. Itvtakenpracticw to get all that down but once you get it that plane makes you looks good. Try landing on grass if you can the first few times.
It nose heavy to begin with. The tail moment and volume are over powered by all that wing. Once it stalls it stalls hard. Use flap to hold down speed and trim for slight nose down. Adjust power to obtain desired decent rate just like real aircraft . Use only minimal elevator input on final and keep speed up. Once you touch down flaps will blank rudder authority so suck up the flaps quick on touch down and let the weight settle the plane on the ground and dance the rudder as required. It is just like a real full scale hail dragged. You have to keep flying it until the tail is firmly on the ground then you can sit back on the elevator and steer the tail wheel with confidence. Itvtakenpracticw to get all that down but once you get it that plane makes you looks good. Try landing on grass if you can the first few times.
06-15-2015, 05:04 PM
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What wver the difference between the 25FX and the 32 SX . Probably less than a couple of oz. I'm guessing. The weight increase was not detrimental in light of the increase on power