how does combat work
 

[sm=confused.gif] i am new how does combat work do u mount guns to your planes or what tell me the rules

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Goto RCCOMBAT.COM for a full run down, where's cushing, tx . we have meets this month in Dallas, and in November in Houston, come to one and chat with any of us, we will be more than happy to get you started.

No guns, we chase denemcrap streamers..

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Looks like you are not too far from Nacogdoches. Cajun, hook this boy up!

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cushing is 23-24 mi from nacgdoches it is not on a map we have a pop of 637

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denemcrap stremers??????

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In RC Combat, we tie crepe paper streamers on the tails of the planes, then try to cut them off each other.

The RCCA (Radio Control Combat Assoc) is the official AMA SIG (special interest group) for combat. The offical AMA rules are based on the RCCA rules, and you can find the full rules on the RCCA site or in the AMA rulebook. The RCCA website is http://www.rccombat.com

Some areas fly slightly different rules, but in RCCA/AMA rules, the streamers are 30feet long, and attached with a 5foot string leader. The contest is decided by points. You score 100 points each time you cut another guy's streamer, and you get 4 points for each foot of your origional streamer that you manage to keep when you land.

Anywhere from 4-12 planes can be in the air at a time, depending on the contest. A heat starts with all the pilots ready, with engines off. A "Start engines" call is made by the CD (contest director) or line marshall. Pilots then have 90 seconds to get in the air. After 90 seconds, "start combat" is called. If you are in the air and ready to go at "start combat", you score 20 points. The heat then lasts 5minits of combat. If you fly out the 5min with out crashing or funning out of fuel or whatever, you score another 20 points. You also get the 20point "complete round" score if you crash as a direct result of a mid-air collision.

Here's a couple of action shots.
5 planes up early in a heat:
http://www.wheek.org/airplanes/mac8.jpg


The thrill of victory:
http://www.wheek.org/airplanes/4fsa6.jpg


The agony of defeat: (it's not obvious, but the two planes on the right just hit each other and are going down)
http://www.wheek.org/airplanes/4fsa1.jpg

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To see some great shots taken by combat pilot and photographer extradonaire, Mark Laboyteaux, at the AMA NATS this year click:

[link=http://www.rccombat.com/asp/nats/nats.htm]http://www.rccombat.com/asp/nats/nats.htm[/link]

Under the 2003 Album link are the shots that will give you a good view of RC Combat. Up close and personel... :D

Enjoy...

A.J. Seaholm
TEAMseaholm
[email protected]

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The tick,

What's on the rudder on this pix ?

http://www.rccombat.com/sections/nats/DSC02322.jpg

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Strykaas,

That is the denecrepe (special crepe paper) streamer rolled up and held on with a rubber band. This has become standard operating procedure. When "Start Your Engines" is called the pilot's judge or spotter will take streamer off the tail and toss it in the air during launch.

In short, it keeps the streamer from getting tangled up during launch...

This picture shows my lovely spotter and fiancé tossing the streamer as I toss the plane.

A.J. Seaholm
RCCA WEBmaster
www.rccombat.com

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Thanks for your input !

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qhuck question, are you guys just opposed to landing gear or is it not allowed or are only really small planes allowed or what, i didnt see a single set of LG in those pics, plz PM me as i will probably never find this thread again.

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landing gear adds no essensial weight to the planes. there are no points for taking off and landing, so why bother. We cut the engines and glide in and land on the grass. We clock the prop so it stops on the engines compression stock, so it stops at the 9 oclock/3 oclock position, which prevents the prop from getting damaged on landing...

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ahhhh thanx, what about planes like mustang with belly scoop?

also i have an old herr mustag that the wings got utterly trased, i was thinking of making new wings (not mustang wings but nice easy tapered ones) could i do this and fly combat with it? or do is there some rule i dont no of as of yet... thnax

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That depends on a lot of things:

Here in the US, your Herr Mustang does qualify for RCCA Open (specific class determined by the engine you install), and might qualify for RCCA SSC (depending on the wing you make for it and the engine you use). But, it doesn't qualify for Scale because it doesn't meet the rules.

All of the RCCA rules are here:
http://www.rccombat.com/asp/rules/rules.htm

If you aren't in the US, or aren't using RCCA rules, check the rules that are in use where you are to determine if your plane qualifies.

Another thing you might want to consider before you spend time or money on getting your Herr Mustang to qualify for combat is that it will not survive the rigors of combat. Even if you do build a state-of-the-combat-art wing for it, the fuselage is still far too fragile.

HTH,
D

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thanx for the info... ill still try since theres no use for the mustang since its trash ne way and i got spare balsa to build the wing, cant fhurt and even if i cant fly it combat it will stil le a fun put put plane...

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how do you cut the streamer?

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In RCCA/AMA rules combat, we put some sticky substance on the wings to snap and rip the streamers. Prop cuts also occur. And sometimes you get a cut with the tail and I've even seen two streamers get knotted and one get pulled off. So basically "any way you can". In RCCA/AMA rules, the only thing that isn't allowed is devices built on to a plane just to cut a streamer, so you can't have some bits of rod or whatever hanging off to try to cut streamers. In some areas guys fly combat with their own local rules that sometimes don't allow wing stickum and such. In that case, it pretty much comes down to prop cuts.

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so your saying i cant strap a .25 on there and fiber glas the whole thing then sink a ton of lead in the tail?

also, what do you guys do about belly scoops?

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Tone it down Balsa Master.

No, your model doesn't qualify for RCCA/AMA Scale Combat because of its innaccurate outline. Feel free to "strap a .25 on there and fiber glas the whole thing then sink a ton of lead in the tail" and fly it in Open class (provided it meets the other rules).

As for belly scoops: if the plane has one, then the plane lands on it. Small scoops can be left off, but the P-51's scoop is too prominant to go un-noticed if left off.

HTH,
D

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can you round the front up with clear plastic so the edge soesent catch on the ground?

what doesent make the herr 51 scale? besides the cowl whitch i have to rebuild anyway since i trashed it when i remounted a new engine.

could i just go ahead and use the dimentions of my GP mustang kit to scratch a combat plane? im very good with a knife and autocad.

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So does your 30 ft streamer need to be one continouse streamer? or do you just need 3oft of streamer on your plane? because i have seen pictures and videos of planes with streamers on the wingtips and tail.

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BM,

1) The RR Merlin engined P-51 (B, C, D & K) belly scoop slopes up at about 45 degrees. Still, these details just don't matter when it comes to belly landing because the plane will land fine. Really.

2) The Herr kit isn't with 10% of 1/12th scale. It has many errors in its shape. Check it against a good 3-view for specific problems.

3) DO NOT use any kit's plans for reference. Most kit's plans are NOT accurate because designers tend to make concessions that ease building and/or manufacture. If you are refering to the GP .40 size P-51, it is a "fun scale" design that isn't very scale at all.

There are ACCURATE 3-views availble from numerous sources, including here:
http://www.flightjournal.com/plane_p...g_drawings.asp

Please, if you intend to build a plane for Combat, do NOT build it from balsa because it will splatter before you have a chance to have any fun with it. If you can scrape together $36 (plus the shipping), I highly recommend the JK Aerotech P-51 kit. Do a search here for "JKA" and read through what has already been posted about them.

Watch_ur_6,
The streamer starts out 30' long and all one piece. The streamers you saw on wings and tails were cut from other planes.

D

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lol that makes sense!

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ok thanx for the help. i see quite a few differences already, (nose slopes down, wing filits, scoop, wheel position, and the big one, no scoop under engine... wow never noticed that.)

foam holds together than balsa and fiberglass? (id imagin it weighs no more than solid foam covered in coro) i really wont want a foam plane, any other options? (i have no problem with spads though not sure why exactly) somthing about foam just doesent feel like building to me. although for the sake of combat ill d othe foam if i must :(.

dumb question of the day:

doesent the asphault grind the underside of the plaen to shreds just as fast as the rigors of combat?

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we don't land on the runway, we land in the grass