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Huge Debate on MM

Old 01-20-2008, 04:18 PM
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I race a novak 6.5 gtb system in a t4 along with about 5 other people. We race against the mambas, and they usually wind up 6th or worse. I am not kidding and am not trying to start something. I will race anybody with a mamba system on an actual off-road track. If you want to race a smooth track "not technical" i would gladly put my mamba in to stay with ya.
Old 01-20-2008, 06:36 PM
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Well I figured out that the guys at my LHS might be banning the use of MM ESC's in races because it is an unfair advantage. They are complaining that since the MM is PC programmable that you can set throttle curves and brakes curves and a bunch of other setting's so that you will race a little better. I dont blame the guys, if they want a fair race then the MM has to be banned. What do yuo guys think of this?
Thats why its not roar legal..... Too me as a racer without it its unfair...
Old 01-20-2008, 07:05 PM
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I do not think that mamba max esc's should be banned from racing. It is just another tuning option for your vehicle. A person that is really good at throttle and steering control should be just as good as a person with a programable esc, it is just the matter of being able to control the power you are putting into your vehicle.


Again, this is just my opinion.
Old 01-20-2008, 07:31 PM
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Let the Mambas race. If they really feel so strongly about ostracizing them, then like I said before, just give them there their own race separate from the others.
Old 01-20-2008, 08:30 PM
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I agree that they should be banned from racing, along with computer radios, regular ESCs, MSCs, different shock oils, different tires, ect [sm=50_50.gif]

Seriously, tuning is what the hobby is all about.
Old 01-20-2008, 10:32 PM
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Racing (RC or full scale) has always been, is, and always will be based on a few key things.

Money
Skill
Cheating (enough to win but not to get caught)

Before everybody flames me, the last one is a reality. Yes, there are plenty of honest racers who would never cheat, but as was mentioned earlier, what about the computer pro who hacks another esc to gain an edge.

Assuming everyone is honest, if you don't have a big bank account then you better have great skills or expect to lose. Of course the most consistent bet is on those with lots of money and great skills.

On this particular issue, I agree with most. It is a form of tuning and should be allowed. I am not a racer, but it does seem like these are the types of things that keep the hobby moving forward. New technology is allowed everywhere else, so why not in RC racing?
Old 01-20-2008, 11:14 PM
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Im with nikg any racing sport has cheating. Look at Nascar, NHRA motocross. Cheating = winning. Winning = Money. Most of the cheaters usally win. I have a personal account on cheating. In Super Stock and Stock racing. They have very tight guide lines and rules. We over bore, use cloxs (nitromethane) witch we put in the oil pan and is pulled in to the bottom of the intake to boost octane . This long post is really simple the advantage wins every time
Old 01-20-2008, 11:16 PM
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Seems to me like they are just looking for something to complain about until they have an advantage.[sm=cry_smile.gif]
Next time you have a meeting tell the more experienced nitro guys they are not allowed to race because they are better at tuning their engines then the new guys. To make it fair they should have one person tune every motor.[sm=spinnyeyes.gif]
Having fun and enjoying the hobby just isnt enough for some people.
Old 01-20-2008, 11:54 PM
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You guys have to remember that I have no say in this. Its completely my track owners decision.
Old 01-20-2008, 11:56 PM
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the track owner is a dummy

why drive away customers who are already at a disadvantage due to an inferior motor/ESC combo?
Old 01-20-2008, 11:58 PM
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He might let the MM's run in the same catagories as the others but their going to have to be set up a certain way.
Old 01-21-2008, 12:48 AM
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ORIGINAL: Takedown

You guys have to remember that I have no say in this. Its completely my track owners decision.

Actually you do have a say.................... by not going to the track or purchasing parts from the shop.......................
Old 01-21-2008, 12:51 AM
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ORIGINAL: Takedown

You guys have to remember that I have no say in this. Its completely my track owners decision.

Actually you do have a say.................... by not going to the track or purchasing parts from the shop.......................
Oh thats impossible for me. I enjoy going to my LHS to chat with the owner and the guys that work their. I learn something new every time I walk out. Plus I go their about 3-5 times a week. I will be working their hopefully come next summer.
Old 01-21-2008, 01:05 AM
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IC...............[&:]

You just like starting starting threads that get into a heated debate........................LMAO

I stopped going to the LHS that has the only indoor dirt track in the area because of comments posted by one of the employees on another forum.................
Old 01-21-2008, 01:09 AM
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IC...............[&:]

You just like starting starting threads that get into a heated debate........................LMAO

I stopped going to the LHS that has the only indoor dirt track in the area because of comments posted by one of the employees on another forum.................
Ya I like to get everyone's opinion. Where do you race now?
Old 01-21-2008, 01:12 AM
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I don't race anymore due to working 2 jobs, coaching my son's basketball and baseball teams and being the Umpire in Chief of our local Little League....
Old 01-21-2008, 01:14 AM
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I don't race anymore due to working 2 jobs, coaching my son's basketball and baseball teams and being the Umpire in Chief of our local Little League....
Wow looks like you got your hands full.[sm=omg_smile.gif] How do you ever have time to run your r/c's?
Old 01-21-2008, 01:21 AM
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I run them most of the time in my dreams.......................LOL

I try to run them in between games and on Sundays or on my lunchbreaks..................

But I will always run mine using the Mamba setups..................when I do get to the track I run TC's at Big Dad's Raceway.
Old 01-21-2008, 10:22 AM
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I think tracks should ban M8, M11, Nomadio and all tunable transmitters. My Traxxas TQ transmitter doesn't do all that stuff. It's just not fair that others can monitor their temps and batteries from their transmitter when mine won't do that. Nope, transmitters should control left/right and speed only. All that other stuff just gives guys an unfair advantage.
Old 01-21-2008, 10:24 AM
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I think tracks should ban M8, M11, Nomadio and all tunable transmitters. My Traxxas TQ transmitter doesn't do all that stuff. It's just not fair that others can monitor their temps and batteries from their transmitter when mine won't do that. Nope, transmitters should control left/right and speed only. All that other stuff just gives guys an unfair advantage.
That is a very good point happy! Ill talk to them about that to.
Old 01-21-2008, 10:33 AM
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That's where I disagree happywing! I just shelled out $330 (with shipping) for a Spektrum DX3R! Yes, I have an ability to tune like never before, but when it finally comes down to waiting on the starting line for the "go" signal, doesn't all that just not mean anything anymore and it all becomes skill? Sure, the DX3R can make on-the-fly adjustments, but I'm not about to stop my car for 20 sec. to make one little, negligible adjustment. When it comes to actually racing, all you can think about is left, right and throttle.

I now say, let the Mamba and high quality transmitter people race! I don't care if we end up in a different division or heats or anything. Just let us race! Once you start to ban newer technologies, then where does it stop?
Old 01-21-2008, 01:15 PM
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thats BS man, all the programming means is tuning your car, like someone said its like setting up your car... if they are giving this a problem well then when it comes down to brushes in brushed motors they have to be all the same cuz some brushes are better than others. or the different types of grip solution for tires, some do work better than others giving the advantage.
Old 01-21-2008, 01:29 PM
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I'm no racer, because that all to me sounds like it all has to do with money. There could be a driver out there that has amazing driving skills and can't afford a high tech radio that some of the people that have a bigger buget can. Giving them the advantage. I think mambas should be allowed because they are considered basicly tuning cars. Camber ajustments, toe in, tires, those are legal. I don't see why Mambas shouldn't be.

I just don't think it's fair that if someone like me that doesn't have a big buget goes up against someone with a little more to spend has a disadvantage. It's really not fair for someone that is held back by money to have the disadvantage before the race even starts.
Old 01-21-2008, 01:37 PM
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I think we should have the people at our LHS that have all the high tech stuff race all the low tech stuff and see if their driving skills are any different. That will atleast show some difference in lap times.
Old 01-21-2008, 04:45 PM
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When I was growing up we used to have wagon races. One guy would ride in the wagon and steer (by using the wagon handle pulled back) and another guy would push the wagon. Going off the track meant a loss, otherwise the first team across the finish line won the race. There was one guy who was bigger and stronger for his age than the rest of us; he and his little sister (who would steer) would dominate the races and mostly our races just became a contest for second and third place.

Some of the kids in the league thought the big guy was unfair and whined, they tried to get him banned but the rest of us liked him so he stayed. Eventually the whiners complained to their parents and the league was shut down by whiny parents who thought it was dangerous or unsafe. It was pretty fun while it lasted, but it seems like everytime people start to have fun, some whiner has to come along and try to ruin it. Most of us really didn't care if we won or lost, we were just trying to have a good time.

The people who can't win against the mamba really have no clue. Look at things like the 20 minute electric A mains thread that was posted a while back. The winners were all using Novak(!). I don't remember a single winner who had used a mamba. It really doesn't matter what you use, I have seen mambas beaten with brushed setups or with first-generation brushless systems and any reasonable setup can win the race if the track is well-designed and the driver has solid skills and a half-decent truck. Blaming the equipment that other people have is just the cop-out of someone who doesn't understand the way racing works and/or doesn't have the level of skill to compete.

The shop owner or others can try to make it illegal and even call the cops on people whom he catches using it, but I can gaurantee that the cops will just laugh at him. Or maybe if the track is an outlaw track, it just ends up completely shut down by the cops. It's really up to the people who run the track, ROAR has no rules against ESCs or says anything about ESC approval and the track people generally want as many people to race as possible. A track that starts to turn away people over meaningless things isn't going to be around for long in this day and age. We get people like this all the time in paintball, 'oh I lost b'cos they all had better guns', no the reason you lost was b'cos you couldn't shoot straight, take cover right, or run fast enough. The guns don't count for #@&*.

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