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Old 02-01-2009, 09:15 AM
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Default mamba max or Velineon or dx3s

when i get the money i want to upgrade my slash. which should i get? im thinking the dx3s b/c you need control to handle brushless.
Old 02-01-2009, 09:44 AM
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Default RE: mamba max or Velineon or dx3s

i would say mamba, but also i am hearing that the slash runs pretty good with brush and many are not switching, but dont take my word for it if i am wrong.
Old 02-01-2009, 10:04 AM
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Buy the MM ESC, for easy programming, buy a VXL motor, solder new plugs so they work together. And now you have a cool running motor that is very programmable. Then buy the dx3s later on, if your not a serisous racer, may want to look into the dx2 or dx3
Old 02-01-2009, 12:24 PM
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The DX3R is more of a racers radio than the S. But I would definitely go for the radio first.
Old 02-01-2009, 01:46 PM
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+1 radio first
Old 02-01-2009, 02:00 PM
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+2 for radio first. A big initial investment, but you will thank yourself later! With the DX3S, you get 2 receivers and telemetry, so if you ever get into nitor you can always see your temp of the engine which is really handy in a pit stop.
Old 02-23-2009, 12:53 PM
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For a slash, Vxl + 3s? Or mamba max system (motor and Ecu), i wanna go really fast, wanna be able to bash and do NOT want over heating of anysort , I wanna buy the Cooling fan for a VXL system but iv heard word that the Mamba is faster? i have no clue just been assumed and told.. its like a 3500 motor vs a 5000 something, does that mean its way faster? but sacrafise Run time?

Either way soon like within 2 months i would like to buy and install it and i wanna Run a Lipo and i allready have 2 8.4v , what would a VXL speed be on a 8.4v? like 45+?? and a lipo like 65+? Im highly considering the Vxl though, but i have no clue about the Mamba max,, and it would be my 1st brushless, i v had my slash for 1 month now and its fun, but has More potential that just 35mph.. iv cleared a semi truck cabin/ cab and landed on top of the trailer.. it was cool but burshless vs whole semi? that would be amazing!

You can send me a personal message or on here either way please like if theres a side by side comparision site let me know.. Thank you.
Old 02-23-2009, 03:02 PM
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ORIGINAL: BlK VeNoM

For a slash, Vxl + 3s? Or mamba max system (motor and Ecu), i wanna go really fast, wanna be able to bash and do NOT want over heating of anysort , I wanna buy the Cooling fan for a VXL system but iv heard word that the Mamba is faster? i have no clue just been assumed and told.. its like a 3500 motor vs a 5000 something, does that mean its way faster? but sacrafise Run time?

Either way soon like within 2 months i would like to buy and install it and i wanna Run a Lipo and i allready have 2 8.4v , what would a VXL speed be on a 8.4v? like 45+?? and a lipo like 65+? Im highly considering the Vxl though, but i have no clue about the Mamba max,, and it would be my 1st brushless, i v had my slash for 1 month now and its fun, but has More potential that just 35mph.. iv cleared a semi truck cabin/ cab and landed on top of the trailer.. it was cool but burshless vs whole semi? that would be amazing!

You can send me a personal message or on here either way please like if theres a side by side comparision site let me know.. Thank you.
I would say that the first thing to do is to get a the Radio.. BL systems and AM don't go together well. I would get a MM and a VXL.. If you want to spend 20 bucks more you can get a medusa motor wich won't even compare to a VXL... On a 8.4v you will see around maybe 35-40.. Stock these things do 25-30..On a 3s lipo you might be able to get to 50 but thats pushing it.. No way you are getting 65 without if flipping with all the air and its high stance... Plus the gearing would make the motor run hot unless its a Medusa to try and get 65 mph.. Trying gearing for around 45-50 believe me its fast enough and plenty of fun.
Old 02-23-2009, 07:10 PM
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Default RE: mamba max or Velineon or dx3s

What kind of speed do you get with 8 Cell Nimh, VXL ESC+ motor and stock gearing?
Does this combination give atleast 45mph?

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Old 02-23-2009, 07:17 PM
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What kind of speed do you get with 8 Cell Nimh, VXL ESC+ motor and stock gearing?
Does this combination give atleast 45mph?

Thanks
...With what car? What brand battery? Brand makes alot of difference. A great matched 6 cell will have more power and WAY more runtime than a Tenegy 7 cell.
Old 02-23-2009, 07:26 PM
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Default RE: mamba max or Velineon or dx3s

it will definately be faster than any brushed set up. i run the stock TQ radio on my rustler i converted to VXL and have not had any problems.

the mamba 5700 will be faster than the VXL motor. the problem is the mamba is a 5700kv and the VXL is 3500kv. the mamba motor will get hotter so you'll have to gear lower to keep the temps manageable which will in turn make it slower but you'll be roughly the same speed as the VXL.

so probably a mamba ESC and a VXL motor like said before should be a solid setup.

as far as the DX3S radio i couldn't tell you about it i've never ran one. people say it's a great radio tho.
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What kind of speed do you get with 8 Cell Nimh, VXL ESC+ motor and stock gearing?
Does this combination give atleast 45mph?

Thanks
...With what car? What brand battery? Brand makes alot of difference. A great matched 6 cell will have more power and WAY more runtime than a Tenegy 7 cell.

On Traxxas slash VXL with 8 cell Ener-g 4600mah Nimh unmatched pack.

Thanks
Old 02-23-2009, 09:10 PM
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Default RE: mamba max or Velineon or dx3s

....well the vxl motor is 3500kv so 3500kv x 8.4=29,400RPM
mamba 5700kv x 8.4=47,880RPM
mamba 4600kv x 8.4=38,640RPM

for future reference
vxl-3500kv x 11.1=38,850RPM
mamba 5600kv x 11.1=63,270RPM
mamba 4600kv x 11.1=51,060RPM

it is rumored (I MYSELF HAVE NEVER TRIED IT) that the 4600kv combo can run 4s lipos so if you ever want balls out 4600 x 14.4=64.860RPMs i would also THINK (in other words i'm not sure) the same applies for a VXL motor for 50,400RPM.

this is Free running RPMs at the motor so i don't know what speed you will get, i think there is a calculator out there somewhere but i don't know what it is called

here is a video explaining it all-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpcgGd9GJ8A&feature=channel_page

I would recamend the 5700kv motor with the MM ESC. 3s will be plenty for anything you want to do, and you will still have the wow factor of being able to do 50+.

just my .02
Old 02-23-2009, 09:20 PM
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Default RE: mamba max or Velineon or dx3s

ill get the dx3s first. how is the mmm for bashing
Old 02-23-2009, 09:27 PM
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Default RE: mamba max or Velineon or dx3s

if i want to keep my (future) vxl's running at 45ish mph would the vxl or mamba be better?

Edit: will be running with zippy flightmax 3c 25c 5000mah lipos
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either one will get you there mamba or VXL. i know my VXL is around 40mph in the grass. i use the cars going by my house as a reference b/c the speed limit by my house is 40mph and i can keep right up with them going by. and i'm only running SPC 7.4V 2s1p 5000mah.

i have it geared a little lower for running in grass 21/83 to be exact and i would estimate it around 40mph.
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either one will get you there mamba or VXL. i know my VXL is around 40mph in the grass. i use the cars going by my house as a reference b/c the speed limit by my house is 40mph and i can keep right up with them going by. and i'm only running SPC 7.4V 2s1p 5000mah.

i have it geared a little lower for running in grass 21/83 to be exact and i would estimate it around 40mph.
Have you measured accurately? I am yet to get a Stadium Truck beyond 35mph on the grass (measured with a radar gun) without the motor seriously overheating. I have the rustler geared 16/83 VXL/3500KV 3s LiPo and the E-firestorm geared 13/86 MM/5700KV 3s LiPo, the rustler is ~32mph and the E-firestorm ~35mph on grass that is well-cut. The only thing I have that can reliably do 40mph+ on the grass is the E-Revo MMM/2200KV 6s LiPo, radared as high as 45mph. Grass is really tough to run on and there is a big differece between 32mph and 40mph when you're on a surface like that. When I geared the VXL 20/83 on the grass, I ended up overheating the motor and my old maxamps LiPo.
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i run a mamba max with 7700 kv on a 7.4v 2cell lipo on my slash. it didnt handle the speed very well so i reworked the suspension and now she sits 1 1/2" in the rear and 1/2" off the front, outfitted with proline road hawgs she does very well at speed and tops out at about 50 because i have it geared for my backyard track. as soon as i change the gearing and fix my latest break (slammed into a curb at about 40), i should be hitting well over 65mph, maybe more. and then i'll buy a 3 cell.
Old 02-24-2009, 03:28 PM
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ORIGINAL: Matt_Gruizinga

I would recamend the 5700kv motor with the MM ESC. 3s will be plenty for anything you want to do, and you will still have the wow factor of being able to do 50+.

just my .02
You kidding me that motor would fry up in a second on 3s in a slash.. If you want to go fast and have cool run times and have a good amount of speed ( probably around 50, That would be the fastest you want a slash to go) I would suggest the Mamba max.. FAR superiors to the VXL and a Medusa motor.. There one of the best motors out then.. Aside from the obvious ( Neu, lehner etc..)

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