rsieminski

They have unbelievable prices, but are they for real? Are the ingredients measured by volume or weight?
I've emailed them 3 times with no response.

stick flyer

I HAVE USED S&W FUEL FOR YEARS AND HAVE NOT HAD ANY PROBLEM WITH THE PRODUCT. IT IS MADE IN PA. BY A SMALL COMPANY AND IS SOLD OVER A WIDE AREA OF THE EAST COAST.

THEY HAVE BEEN REASONABLE IN PRICE.

STAY 10 MISTAKES HIGH.

majortom-RCU

My Feedback: (40)

Standard practice in mixing fuels is to blend by volume, not by weight. I expect S&W follows standard practice. I don't know anyone who mixes by weight. It all goes by gallons and ounces of methanol, castor oil, synthetic lube, nitro, other little additives that some mfrs use (anti-foaming, etc.). Plain old methanol and high grade castor oil is all you need, and all that went into early glow fuel mixes. Nitro is nice for a little extra power, better idling. Europeans use little or no nitro, because it's so expensive there. They still have a good time flying. Synthetic is not as gummy as castor, will burn in the combustion process where castor will not. Most engine mfrs like a castor-synthetic blend, anywhere from 10% up to 50% castor, 90% to 50% synthetic, total lube anywhere from 12% for big Supertigres to 20% for breaking in, 15% to 18% after break-in for ABC and ringed two strokes & four strokes. I am not an expert, but this is what I've gathered from my time in the hobby.

Crash Master

Is there a URL for S & W Hobbies? I'd like to look into their fuel(s).

Thanks,
Crash Master

Wonder

My Feedback: (7)

www.s-whobby.com
1-800-583-5632

You can order a case of quarts to save the hazardous freight fee. The fuel cost more this way, but is cheaper in the end then having to pay the freight on gallon jugs.

Tim

rwh

I use nothing but one type of S&W fuel, 15% normal mix, in all my engines, 2 and 4 stroke from a little Enya 0.35 to the OS 160 with Saito 0.91's in the middle.

I use about four cases (16 gal) per season, no trouble at all.

stomper

My Feedback: (20)

S&W Is the only glow fuel I use!

Doug

SARGE

My Feedback: (8)

I also have used S&W with good results. By the way Byron measures their fuel by weight.

hauckf

Byron's percentages are by weight, and some of Powermaster's fuel's percentages are by weight. "The lower percentage fuels are by weight to avoid conflct with the quanity of nitro in the fuel." is the e-mail response I got from Powermaster when I asked the question. I've read that sentence a dozen times and I still don't know what it means! Neither Byron or Powermaster mention the fact on their websites that they calculate by weight. I don't know how many manufactures do calculate by weight, but I know that Morgan and Wildcat percentages are 'by volume'.

bigbadbowtie

I actually talk to S&W on the phone. He said they actually bottle fuel for a few of the "NAME BRAND"
companys. I am ordering a case of there fuel when I run out of my current supply.

Sounds like a pretty stand up company.

Ray

f2racer

I've burned through about 4 gallons of S&W (most of it 15% 50-50 mix) and 2 gallons of Sig Champion 15% in the last year. I can't see a difference in the fuel with the exception of price (S&W is about $4 cheaper per gallon if bought at RC Buyers Warehouse, or over $8 cheaper per gallon when my club buys in bulk). It's good stuff. I'm now using their FAI with good results on my MVVS 40...

f2racer

Tim exactly how much was shipping for a case of quarts?

Thanks!

Wonder

My Feedback: (7)

f2racer,

Sorry, but I just cleaned my desk out last week an threw the slip away. I don't remember the cost, 5 or 6 bucks maybe, not sure. If you go to their web site you can email them and find out before ordering.

Tim

bdtsr

My Feedback: (5)

I am currently using S&W fuel, nobody locally has Omega. I find the Omega provides a little more performace. In the spring I will be ordering a bulk order of Mach 7 fuel which is Morgan's direct sell brand. I like this fuel alot!. The prices are decent and it runs very well in my engines (OS,Enya,Magnum,Webra,ST,ASP). The S&W is used by many of our club members with good results, just not my first choice.

DaveB

Virtually all members of the Atoms RC club use S&W Fuel. They're close and we pick up the fuel as needed. No problems.

DaveB

f2racer

This will likely be the case. Omega only has 17% oil content. The lower the oil content, the higher the power potential (given the same nitro content). Most S&W blends have 20%. It's not uncommon to find pylon racers who run as little as 12-15% oil. Problem is as you decrease the oil content, the likelihood of catasrophic failure if running lean goes up exponentially. For this reason, I never fly with any glow fuel that doesn't have at least 20% oil content.

Mgreenberg1951

The prices are good. However I received the 2 gallons leaking. Since I couldn't use 2 gallons immediately I wound up losing a 1/2 gallon of fuel. When I e mailed Stanley the owner he was very defensive and arrogant. Blaming it on the the carrier instead of the slimsy boxes he packed the bottles in.
I also believe the fuel itself is reacting to the plastic the bottles are made from, degrading the packaging and causing the leakage to accelerate.
Poor customer service and poor quality. Buyer beware, you get what you pay for!

1QwkSport2.5r

I wasn’t all that thrilled with my customer service experience with Stan either. It’s still cheaper to mix my own fuel with nitro at $80 a gallon anyway, so I don’t care.

Old thread necrobump, eh?

Lasergr

S-W Fuel has been in business for over 35 years
Been dealing with him for at least that many years.
he uses the same bottle company since day one.
your problem i can be sure it was damaged from UPS.
I am at his shop at least once a week he puts fuel bottles
in sealed plastic bags and bottles are packed in peanut foam
You should of filed a claim with UPS the day you got the items..

Mgreenberg1951

No peanuts, packaging, just a single walled carton.
NO CUSHIONING ! NONE! NADA! , ZILTCH!
Shippment wasn't leaking upon delivery, leaked into sealed bags afterwards. Then into box.
The box sat under my workbench UNTOUCHED for a month.
I noticed staining on the box getting worse over time.
Compared his plastic jugs to competition, Stanley's are flimsy and thin walled.
There is Possibly a chemical reaction to his fuel and his cheap jugs.
I offered to pay him a buck or 2 extra for better packaging.
The product problem is fixable.
Stanley's attitude ..probably not!
I'll be telling my club membership and the others in my area of my experience with S&W Hobby supply.
M

billlvrcs

I'm in Pennsylvania and have been flying Stans regular 15% for easily 20 years and more than likely 100 gallons later I have not had ONE leaker. Everything is very professionally sealed, labeled and packaged. His fuel is excellent. Bill in Pa.

Mgreenberg1951

That's what i would have expected also.
However that wasn't my experience.
In any enterprise mistakes happen, suppliers of components change, employees make mistakes, etc.
It's how management handles customer service issues that determine a company's continued sucess.

billlvrcs

SW is a one man show-Stan. He takes pride in producing an excellent product at a good price and doesn't cut corners. I'm flying his 15% today!

Mgreenberg1951

Okay.
Glad you're satisfied.
I wasn't.
Stanley's pride got in the way of resolving a legitimate issue.
And I'll tell you another possible problem, ive got a suspicion that this expensive Y S fuel was mixed incorrectly.
I think the fuel reacted with the plastic of the jugs.
i also noticed that after the fuel contacted the air it damaged any plastic it touched.
It also caused my hands to burn as if it was reacting to bleach. Even thru mynitril gloves.
I have never seen nitro do this.
I question his expertise and now I wonder if his product damaged my YS engine.

Jesse Open

Oh boy???