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Old 10-17-2009, 02:16 AM
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Now that's just plain horse feathers, Dar.

I propose that there actually is no such thing as the European super synthetic oil at all. If it were real, it would be for sale here, where much more fuel is purchased and used.
Ed,


I own no stock in Motul, in [link=http://www.modeltechnics.com/]Model Technics[/link], or in Sachs...

We all have to face the fact that all over the world; even in North America, glow fuel is not a very significant segment, for which large oil manufacturers will go out on a limb...
No one is taking any risks for us.

Please see the [link=http://www.klotzlube.com/techsheet.asp?ID=54&submit2=View]tech sheet[/link] for original, 100% synthetic Klotz Techniplate.
In particular, see the 'Film Strength' figure of '8'... Klots'z own [link=http://www.klotzlube.com/techsheet.asp?ID=2&submit2=View]BÄ“NOL[/link] scores a perfect 10 in this criterion.

[link=http://www.aerosynth.de/pages/pdfs/ASynthEng.pdf]Aerosynth III[/link] does not have an on-line tech sheet; but it does contain an EPA (Extreme Pressure Additives) that enhances its wear protection.

[link=http://www.modellismo-rc.it/files/Motul_Micro_Ing.pdf]Motul Micro[/link] has EPA too, as does [link=http://www.aerosynth.de/pages/pdfs/ASaveEngl.pdf]Fuchs Aerosave[/link].


These European lubes prevent wear to such an extent, that engine manufacturers; ([link=http://www.webra-austria.at/download/en/motor.pdf]Webra[/link], for instance, tell you not to use them for break-in, since they will not allow the necessary mutual honing of parts; and that you must use castor oil instead.

These lubes offer more wear protections than castor oil; a statement is completely untrue of Techniplate.
Interestingly, [link=http://www.morganfuel.com/2-cycle.html]Cool Power oil[/link] does contain an EPA; their proprietary CP-07 friction modifier...

But since its use is still not endorsed by Hobby Services, I suspect it is not good enough for ring-less engines.
...Not to mention corrosion protection, as witnessed in these pages, by those who need to replace their engine bearings much too often...

I don't know enough about which oils are used in other US made fuels, but I suspect it is mostly Techniplate, as it is widely available, rather cheap and most fuel makers are too small to develop their own oil.


I do not believe that the owners of Hobby Services have enough clout to prevent anyone from using the European oils (Motul/Aerosave) in the US. I do believe that the higher cost of the European oil might be a factor.

If the oil that you are currently using provides you with a satisfactory amount of longevity at a price that you can live with, why change? And why did the Europeans change? Were their old oil formulas in poor favor with their country's version of the EPA? There is so much we commoners do not know. It is nearly impossible to even make an educated guess.

And no, I do not have anything against Europe or Europeans, or any other people or place for that matter. My ancestors, as far as I know, were German and Irish with a pinch of Native American thrown in for good measure. And Lord knows what else. So I'm not picking on anyone - anywhere, about this oil issue.


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Old 10-17-2009, 02:55 AM
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...it had clearly been run on The Green Stuff. Pulled the back-plate and found it dry as a bone and full of rust with green stains.
I don't think I would be too quick to libel a company and its product, just because you ''think'' someone used Cool Power in the engine that you bought from eBay.
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That blue-green color is a dead giveaway...
Old 10-17-2009, 08:58 AM
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...it had clearly been run on The Green Stuff. Pulled the back-plate and found it dry as a bone and full of rust with green stains.
I don't think I would be too quick to libel a company and its product, just because you ''think'' someone used Cool Power in the engine that you bought from eBay.
Ed,


That blue-green color is a dead giveaway...
Thanks for watching my back Dar!

Ed, not that it really matters to you, but I've been around long enough to recognize an engine that has been run exclusively on Cool Power - other than the GREEN STAINS, there's the horrid smell, yes, smell... As a side, this eBay engine, which has been run considerably, has minimal external staining, an actual benefit of fuels containing synthetic lubes.

The pros and cons of castor -vs- synthetic has been debated here ad nauseam, and there is never, ever, a clear-cut winner - much like many of the Chevy-vs-Ford-vs-Dodge type debates that go on here. The bottom line is, people are going to use whatever they are comfortable with (or have available to them). Shoot, give me an example of ANY thread here where the "vote" on whatever subject has been unanimous!

I am amused at the folks that look to the forums on The All Mighty Internet for answers... and I find it hilarious when people get so bent out of shape defending their stand on a subject.

Thanks Ed for showing me your feathers, makes for some great Saturday morning entertainment.

-Joe

Old 10-17-2009, 11:16 AM
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These European lubes prevent wear to such an extent, that engine manufacturers; ([link=http://www.webra-austria.at/download/en/motor.pdf]Webra[/link], for instance, tell you not to use them for break-in, since they will not allow the necessary mutual honing of parts; and that you must use castor oil instead.

I've seen the same statement about U.S. synthetics.
Old 10-17-2009, 11:47 AM
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These European lubes prevent wear to such an extent, that engine manufacturers; ([link=http://www.webra-austria.at/download/en/motor.pdf]Webra[/link], for instance, tell you not to use them for break-in, since they will not allow the necessary mutual honing of parts; and that you must use castor oil instead.

I've seen the same statement about U.S. synthetics.
Barry,


Not Cool Power, I presume...

Maybe the Cooper Fuels lube, or ???
Old 10-17-2009, 12:12 PM
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I understand that with some of these miracle oils the oil need not be mixed with the fuel. If a couple of ounces of the oil is placed in close proximity to a container of methanol for a moment the methanol can then be used as fuel, providing hundreds if not thousands more RPE than other fuels, requiring no break-in running and giving infinite longevity to the engine which runs for long periods on only a few drops of the miracle mix.

There are rumors that the next generation of the oil will enable the substitution of tap water for methanol.

jess
Old 10-17-2009, 01:05 PM
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I understand that with some of these miracle oils the oil need not be mixed with the fuel. If a couple of ounces of the oil is placed in close proximity to a container of methanol for a moment the methanol can then be used as fuel, providing hundreds if not thousands more RPE than other fuels, requiring no break-in running and giving infinite longevity to the engine which runs for long periods on only a few drops of the miracle mix.

There are rumors that the next generation of the oil will enable the substitution of tap water for methanol.

jess
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Viva la Cool Power!

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Old 10-18-2009, 08:23 AM
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Where do you guys buy this extra castor oil at. I usually just buy my fuel and use it as is. Sorry for the dumb question, I have been flying a long time and never added anything to my fuel. I generally use the Wildcat brand from my local hobby shop which I think is only 16% oil. I have never noticed any problems with my engines but who knows. Looks like I need to study on this subject a bit.
Old 10-18-2009, 08:25 AM
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YEAY!!!! Oil threads are awesome!!! Either two stroke glow and the castor/synthetic debate or in gas engine at the ratio debate - I LOVE IT!!!
Old 10-18-2009, 08:30 AM
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As a added dumb note, I used about 3 to 4 ozs of old fuel once to start a brush fire. Let me tell you this stuff burns like crazy, sorta scared me to think that you have a fairly large fuel tank that close to a hot engine. Im not joking I couldn't believe how this stuff lite the fire off [X(], made me think,,,, ALOT about my safety around this fuel. I do not want anyone smoking around me when im dealing with the planes. Anyways, off subject but maybe this will keep someone from getting hurt by letting you know about the danger here.
Old 10-18-2009, 08:52 AM
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Where do you guys buy this extra castor oil at? I usually just buy my fuel and use it as is. Sorry for the dumb question...
Brad,


Since you think it is so, who am I to contradict you?


Try in these places:

[link=http://www.sigmfg.com/cgi-bin/dpsmart.exe/MainMenuFV4.html?E+Sig]Sig[/link].

[link=http://www.klotzlube.com/proddetail.asp?prod=BC-175_Pint&cat=8]Klotz[/link].


Just to name a couple...
Old 10-18-2009, 08:57 AM
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YEAY!!!! Oil threads are awesome!!! Either two stroke glow and the castor/synthetic debate or in gas engine at the ratio debate - I LOVE IT!!!
That being the case a search on RCU will make you a happy camper for many days. The search for universal agreement can keep one occupied for a lifetime.

(BTW, I have heard rumors that some of the European Synthetic Miracle Oils {ESMOS} hold promise as a cure for tormenting rectal itch.

jess
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The old school says run what ya brung. Synthetic fuel lubes have been around for a long time and are only getting better. Yes corrosion is a factor, but nothing lasts forever. Do the after run oil and change bearings when beeded. If the engine has to be treated with kid gloves you probably don't need it.

Go with Super Tigre products. They run what seems like forever and and are relitively inexpensive. No one asked but it's only my opinion.

If you need all the power you can get from the engine and want more, ad a second engine. Besides twins sound better!
Old 10-18-2009, 10:40 AM
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buy the right fuel to begin with, castor syn, mix and you'll be ok...............RON
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HI flying 20 years a lot only two cycle gloused cool power the first two years- -bad engine wearon liners and bearinggreen fuel tank stains-RUST on bearing using MORGAN OMEGA the last 18 yearsinside my engines all the time for different reasons-find little to no wear on my engines the last 18 years i will sometimes add extra castor oil on my China clone engines and in extreme heat conditions 90 degree plus temps in FLORIDA and or cowled engines-try to fly my cowled engines in the cooler times of the yearadd 1 1/2 oz of castor oil to a gallon to increase the percentage by 1% etc. OMEGA is an 80/20 mix of syn to castor and is 17 % oil in totallike to add 2% castor to the mix sometimes-but very often run OMEGA out of the jug-adding castor does reduce the nitro level some -MORGAN OMEGA has changed my RC life for the better my engines run unbelievably greati cannot remember the last time i had to change a bearing or sleeve due to wear in 18 years- ENJOY REGARDS -TONY LENTINI "the omega man " think pink !! do you think i like this fuel
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You do not have to add Castor to your fuel.I have been running cool power blue in my engines for years with no problems .
Guys that i have seen run their engines in carefully with Castor added as they think it helps do not seem to have a better life out of their motors ,in fact one guy had his rust out in no time at all after leaving it sitting for a few weeks ,the motor had score marks etc on the piston also and he did not run it lean .
The mess Castor leaves over everything is not something i want to put up with .Gums up the internals something awful
So I am a Cool Power Blue 18% - 10 to 20% Nitro man . I run it with confidence
I believe Coopers is even better .
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The mess Castor leaves over everything is not something i want to put up with .Gums up the internals something awful
How do you manage to create this mess??
I have run between two and three hundred engines over the past few decades on fuels containing up to 30% castor without such problems, and I am curious as to how I might be able to duplicate your results.

jess
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I have a gallon of Cool Power 5% and a gallon of Omega 5%. Cool Power is for ringed engines and Omega is for non-ringed engines. I trust the folks at Morgan Fuels, and have never been disapointed. [8D]
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HI I run OMEGA in both ringed and ABC type engines with out any problems at all as stated in my post abovesee no need to change fuels when one type will run both type engines just makes life and flying much easier and i am now flying an average of 4-5 times a week -more than most (retired in FLORIDA )when using castor oil just give the plane a quick wipe up after every flight-well worth keeping the engine in like new condition for many years -I BEEN THERE DONE THATand explained the damage i saw done using CRULE POWER castor will protect to 100 degrees (THINK 130 DEGREES ) over the syn oils-and it clings to the metal when the heat riseswhat is so hard to understand here-heat is a major destroyer of any engineespecially and aluminum oil cooled two cycle typeit is not- if you run lean but -when you will run lean that superior oil protection comes into play-do you choose to destroy a liner or protect it when you run lean that is the choise you are making here -wise up the green STUFF SUCKS BIG TIME and if you continue to use it in your two cycle glo engines it will cost you in shortened life regarding bearings and liners -over choising to us castor in your fuels YOU CAN BRING A HORSE TO WATER BUT YOU CAN NOT MAKE HIM DRINK !! AND I SURELY WOULD RATHER CLEAN OIL OFF MY PLANE -THAN KEEP IT CLEAN AT THE COST OF MY ENGINES LIFE EXPECTANCY REGARDS TONY
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And the lube fight goes on! Its their engines, let them use what they want. Those that do not heed the warnings are destine to suffer failure.

So all things in moderation please.

Chip

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