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Old 12-02-2004, 09:44 AM
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Default Anyone run white gas (Coleman/Ozark/etc.) in their cars?

I know using Coleman or Ozark fuel is fairly popular with the 2-cycle air and water crowd, but what about our cars? I was wondering if the different load characteristics on our models would cause any problems that the plane and boat guys might not have. I really like the thought of keeping my car free of the gas smell along with my garage (attached to house). Everything I have read about using the fuel seems fairly positive even with its realitively low octane rating except that people say its hard to get a sparkplug reading (to determine a/f ratio problems) because it burns so clean.

I've searched these forums, but as I said almost everything I have found seems to be boats or planes. Many of the boats use the G230/260 based motors so I don't think there would be too much difference. Any thoughts?
Old 12-02-2004, 10:40 AM
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Default RE: Anyone run white gas (Coleman/Ozark/etc.) in their cars?

This was discussed in another post recently, I can't find it now either, so am glad you brought it up again.

My life would be perfect if I could run a non stinky fuel, my Girlfriend, though extremely tolerant of my hobby hates (not unreasonably) the smell of petrol.

I'd be very interested to know if it's available in the UK at all..................
Old 12-02-2004, 10:46 AM
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My problem is that my house is built on a concrete pad and the furnace and everything is actually in the attic above the garage. Then when it kicks on, it pulls fumes through it and blows the smell throughout the house. Although I have even started the Beetle yet, my Triumph sprung a leak last winter and WOW did that ever stink the house up.
Old 12-02-2004, 11:22 AM
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Default RE: Anyone run white gas (Coleman/Ozark/etc.) in their cars?

I thought white gas was nothing more than unleaded gas.

The reason its made for coleman stoves is the absence of lead for cooking and lanterns.
Old 12-02-2004, 03:02 PM
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Default RE: Anyone run white gas (Coleman/Ozark/etc.) in their cars?

If you are looking for "non stinky fuel" then give Aspen fuel a go.

http://www.aspen.se/Templates/standard1.asp?PN=107038

http://www.chainsawspecialists.co.uk/aspen.htm

It works as well as ordinary Petrol (Gas(oline)) does not smell (well only very slightly) last a lot longer in the "can" and does not contain many of the harmful chemicals that petrol/gas does.

It is also premixed with oil, but I added some Castrol 747 to bring it up to the FG recommended oil mix.

I've been using from day 1 on my Marder/Beetle (Zenoah G260/04, FG Tuned pipe (using Leopard header)) and it worked perfectly.

The only downside is that it is a bit more expensive than Petrol/Gas but a lot cheaper than nitro fuel

Here is a short video taken at my local park with a digital camera in video mode.

http://www.rcpics.net/view_single.php?medid=21964

The Beetle/Marder is a bit loud in this video because the pipe had come off the header but I carried on driving as it sounded soooo good
Old 12-02-2004, 03:17 PM
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Default RE: Anyone run white gas (Coleman/Ozark/etc.) in their cars?

I saw the post in the "Fumes" post in the Boats forum, it can be done, you just have to richen up the needle valves a little bit because it is a lower octane meaning it burns more thorougly in the combustion chamber instead of letting so much heat into the exhaust.
Old 12-02-2004, 08:15 PM
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OK, I too have always wonder about this just for the "smell" issue! I got these links from VKSY (Thanks) and reading thru these posts have made me decide to make the switch! I bet you guys read thry these you will switch, that is if the smell is an issue for you. It definatly is for me, I have all my gas jobs in the celler, sometimes you can smell it, sometimes you cant. But in the car is the big "Stink", transporting them smells bad. According to the info I have read, and this info comes from guys who run the white gas in there heli's, and those are BIG $ to risk them crashing because of the fuel. Check it out... I for one amd making the switch!

http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t33428p1
http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t109201p1
http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t126062p1
http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t119080p1
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All these guys say that they DO NOT TOUCH the needle settings when they switch. But from what I have read you might want to bring up the H needle just a touch.
Old 12-03-2004, 05:40 AM
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Default RE: Anyone run white gas (Coleman/Ozark/etc.) in their cars?

It is hard to find that stuff. Like Aspen any one know where to get that stuff from.
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Default RE: Anyone run white gas (Coleman/Ozark/etc.) in their cars?

Jared1106:

Enjoy the fresh air dude!


gregmax/FGUK/drago:

I was told altenative fuel is not race legal in the UK. Is this true? If you're a backyard basher, then I guess it's a non-issue.

Here's a link of UK gasser heli dudes talking about Coleman fuel:
http://runryder.com/helicopter/t129848p1

Here's a funny quote ripped from the RR gasser heli board:
"Just priced up some coleman camper fuel here in UK having read so much about it, !!!!! wait for it its sold in 500 cc bottles at £3.99 a bottle, that works out at $62.84 a gallon, Uk gallon which is 4.5 litres. Firstly please thank god you were born in the US secondly can anyone sponser me to live in the USA i am desperate The UK sucks"
Old 12-03-2004, 12:13 PM
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Default RE: Anyone run white gas (Coleman/Ozark/etc.) in their cars?

WOW...Coleman fuel here is around $3.00 a gallon. I think I am switching to Coleman fuel, that is if I ever get a chance to run again. It's been cold, windy and rainy here. Snow will be here all to soon.

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Here's my experience so far to help clear the air.

I was in the same boat like most of you in the beginning. I fly only nitro helis, so my knowledge with camping fuel comes 100% from my buggy. I had major doubts, but who can ignore the lure of stinkless fuel? So I asked several gasser heli engine experts and decided to use camping fuel with their help. The following is what I did:

1. Bought Coleman fuel from Wal-Mart
2. Bought Lawn Boy Ashless oil from Home Depot
3. Mixed 3 ounces of oil to the first gallon
4. Kept engine needles at the stock position
5. Fueled, fired, and let the engine rip

I don't play with the Marder too much because I want to sell it. So there's still some fuel left in the first can. But let me just say the engine runs just as good as any weedwhacker.

The gasser dudes also suggested that "Amsoil 100:1" must be used after 1-2 gallons at 2 ounces. Lawn Boy supposedly makes the Zenoah run hotter which seats the piston ring faster. Amsoil is for ultimate protection, so if used first, it'll take forever to break-in the engine. Amsoil is that good in their opinion.

If you follow the advice given to me, remember to buy the smallest can of Lawn Boy because you will not use much of it.
Old 12-03-2004, 02:12 PM
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Default RE: Anyone run white gas (Coleman/Ozark/etc.) in their cars?

vksy....Why do you want to sell your Marder? I have the MB now and would love to get my hands on a Marder too.
Old 12-06-2004, 09:41 AM
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Default RE: Anyone run white gas (Coleman/Ozark/etc.) in their cars?

amitysanimal:

I don't want to stray from this topic, but you can read about it [link=http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/Should_I_sell_or_keep%3F_Please_help_me_decide%25/m_2352468/tm.htm]here[/link].
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Default RE: Anyone run white gas (Coleman/Ozark/etc.) in their cars?

We have a couple of R&D's on white gas( coleman fuel) there is a very definate smell, it is not like gasoline but to say it has no oder would be wrong, it is for most a more appealing odor.

Power seems similar, we have no large difference in performance so far, We have done apples to apples, no change in needles and no change in oil or mixture( we always run amsoil mixed 50:1)

top end is comparable, and low seems similar also, unfortunatly it will be until next season before we can hard pressure the fuel but in the general offroad running I would say you will not lose anything. You will though gain the urg to have bacon and eggs over the coleman stove while driving due to the marder now smelling exactly like a cooking stove while running.

we plan on leaving a couple platforms running on the fuel to see if we see any motor or carb issues good or bad arrise in longterm use.
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I hate the smell of nitro, so every time I buy fuel for my Kyosho Inferno, I put a grape scented additive in, to mask the nitro smell. I love it, but I have not noticed if anyone else at the track has tried it. It may sound a little fruity, but it sure makes my neighbors happier than they were. There are several different scents (cotton candy, pina colada etc.) I wonder if you could mix it with the gas/oil mixture in a 1/5th scale vehicle as well?!! I don't see what it would hurt...it is like adding an extra bit of oil in the miture and it will make the exhaust fill the air with wholesome goodness!
If you are wondering what a 1/8th scale man is doing replying to this post, it is because I am in the market for a Monster Beetle and I want to learn all that I can before I invest!
Old 01-27-2005, 05:35 PM
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I have used nothing but coleman fuel in my statioanry model engines for a long time now.
It works better with the lower compresion the the miniature engines ( the hand made ones ) have.
I have never even considered using it in my gas car !
Gunna do it this weekend though !!
There is a smell but it goes away fast not like gas much nicer to deal with.
Old 01-28-2005, 02:28 AM
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I have used white gas now for more than 15 years in my Heli's and my large scale cars with out any issues. Keeps my wife happy and makes transporting more bearable. My oil of choice is Royal Purple at 32/1. I did allot of testing 10 or 15 years ago when i was running my Zenoah engine business (Robertson Performance Products) doing mods for model helicopters mainly and found the fuel to be a non issue and much more bearable fume wise. I also did Alc mods which was a big hit because the engines ran so hot in Heli's. It was common to get a 50-75 deg temp drop which improved engine longevity and performance. This was all done to the old G2D but applies to the newer Zenoah's as well.

Jim....
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tried coleman camp fuel today
25 mill oil 1 litre coleman
reset needles a little ( -20 today )
runs 110%
Actualy I was having problems with a fouled plug quite a bit with gas, havent had an issue in 2 tanks of coleman.
This stuff smells about 5% as bad as gas , I intentionaly left it right in the front door to see if my G/F could smell it.
Passed her test
I wont go back to gas ever
Thanks for the thread as I have used this stuff for years in other 4 cycle engines I have hand built but never considered mixing for 2 cycle.
I recomend this to everyone who loves the big cars but hates the gas smell.

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