borley1863

I just seen these on ebay they loook very cheap quality for HARM.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HARM-Hobby-Lin...1%7C240%3A1318

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HARM-Hobby-Lin...1%7C240%3A1318

I just thought HARM were top end even though i have no experience with them.
thanks
Guy

SAVAGEJIM

I personally have never heard of HARM RCs. I just did a Google search on them and the only thing I found were people tryng to sell them, but no HARM site it self (You know, how like HPI has HPIracing.com, Losi has its own site, etc.).

This guy selling these in you links is brand new, only 2 replies. I personally would wait and see how he pans out before jumping in and buying something from him.

borley1863

Hi Savagejim, i wasn`t thinking of buying any of them i`m just wondering wether they realy are HARM products as HARM i think is based in eaurope like FG.
Thanks
Guy

Lars from Norway

Here is [link=http://www.harm-racing.com/]H.A.R.M's[/link] site.

SAVAGEJIM

Ahhh! thanks! That was my problem, I didnt put any petiods in between the letters.

bryan70546

My Feedback: (4)

looks like smarttechs or clones of a clone

sheograth

Yeah those ebay specials don't look like HARM unless they're older and I've never heard of them

Buying 1/5 scale off ebay is becoming such a joke.

Apache-

Nothing that looks like a common HARM product or is related to HARM.
HARM is not specialised in plastic cars, they are more high-end orientated with an alloy line of cars.

Using someone else his brand name to attract sales is what it is.
I would be very carefull myself.
But hey maybe it is an excellent clone (though I doubt this) and worth the penny

Team5hite

Youll find that the e-bay seller is the new owner of Rapid Racing

Think there selling a cheaper "Hobby" type car just to bring in some extra money as "Harm" cars are
mainly high end Race cars.

Giorgos_cupra

Those are not H.A.R.M products....They are not even close.I know H.A.R.M rcs are not very popular in US,but in Greece they are the leader in 1/5 on road racing.Almost everybody in the Greek on road championship uses them

carty

Ive been looking at these recently, yes they are new harm cars sold as the Hobby-line of buggies truck etc, much lower cost than usual Harm cars, 1/5 seems to be growing at the moment and i guess they want a share of the action as ibet they can sell a lot more of these at the price, quite nice for the money front disks and all and you can shout you own a Harm

M0NAR0MAN

Those are River Hobby cars. They are cheap and crap. The chassis bend like butter. No way are they anything to do with HARM. Go to www.Riverhobby.com and see for yourself.

slicrick

look at his feedback,it actually is a sale of a real Harm bx2,but the cars he's selling are fake,i think the feedback is fake also.

mooman007uk

here's the H.A.R.M site where they sell the blaze but it is not a harm product it's a clone,
[link]http://www.harm-racing-products.com/product_info.php?info=p1480_Buggy-RTR-Blaze-2WD-Chassis.html[/link]
and around xmas I'd definitely be leary of people selling high value items with very low feedback....if it smells like sheet it is sheet[:'(]

SAVAGEJIM

I cannot agree more. Only 2 feed backs, and I cannot help but think this guy is a scammer who sold, got banned, and simply made a new account to scam again. Now, if he had like 500 feedbacks, and not even 100%, (maybe like 99% or even 98%), then his feedbacks would be more credible. Only having 2 feedbacks seriously feeds my incredulity.

Buy with absolute caution.

slicrick

i cant beleive that the real Harm website is selling that crap as beginner cars,how degrading to the Harm name

dgav407

He is not a scammer - he is the official HARM importer for the UK (www.rapid-racing.co.uk). I would guess he has no choice but to stock these.

Unfortunately HARM have been selling rebranded chinese junk for sometime now. Seems a guaranteed way of ruining the reputation of the company - at least the previous rebranded (CARSON) cars could be upgraded with quality parts from the HARM product range.

Clive

carty

They are either going to destroy the company name (one of top quality products) and maybe even finish Harm off, or if they can keep quality control standards high then possibly could tap into the budget market and expand, a lot of other companies do it its the way the worlds heading.

SAVAGEJIM

Thanks for the info. I had no idea this fellow was an actual bonafide importer. I guess he was always up and running, but decided to try to expand his exposure by creating an EBay account.

Personally, I agree. They should remain focused on higher tier products instead of reselling beginner lower tier RCs.

sheograth

It's scary how much of the 1/5 scale side of the hobby has become cheap low end imports.

SAVAGEJIM

Personally, if they want to step into the extremely cheap and beginner RCs, I believe they should have not stepped into reselling. They should have designed some of their own beginner RCs or alternatively, looked at some of their existing RCs and considered watering those down to a more budget version. That way, they remain in perfect control of the quality controls instead of putting themselves into the hands of another.

mooman007uk

I have dealt with rapid racing in the past...first class people.
i imagine they've opened a different ebay account so their name isn't associated with these clones.
And thanks for clearing up the low feedback/scammer point...(one can't be too careful these days) that's the beauty of forums everyone's knowledge is shared[sm=thumbs_up.gif]