Suggestions for slope soaring glider please
hi...
i'm want to build a glider until 2 meter of wing approximately ,That the glider will not be with engine i.e. glider that you throw and fly. The most important that he will be easy to build (balsa body and wing with profiles). so.... i'm thinking on the ninja or the t-dancer... what you recommend to me? thank you very much daniel :D |
RE: Need help with a choice plan to glider
These are two different types of airplanes. The Ninja is a slope soaring model and won't be good for thermal flying. The Thermal Dancer is a thermal model and won't be very good for slope flying except in light winds. For thermal flying it will also need a winch or high start to launch it. What kind of flying do you want to do?
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RE: Need help with a choice plan to glider
I'm want slope soaring model ....
the ninja is good? what you recommend to me? |
RE: Need help with a choice plan to glider
For slope soaring in medium or heavy winds the Ninja is your best bet between these two models. However I don't slope fly so you want to get more opinions on a good slope model.
I'm changing the title of your thread to draw in more answers along this line for you. In the meantime it would help if you can list off the slope models that are available in Israel or that you can easily mail order from Europe or the US. It's easy to make a recomendation but that doesn't help if you cannot get the model folks recomend. Best of luck with your new model. |
RE: Suggestions for slope soaring glider please
dodgeman,
If you want to learn to slope fly, your best bet is an EPP foam plane.They stand up to a lot of punishment and are certainly worth the money. What kind of plane you should get depends a lot on the place you'll be flying from, especially the strength of the winds you'll encounter. Other factors include landing zones (or the lack thereof), your own skill level, and your budget. The Ninja is a fine flyer, but its plywood fuselage doesn't stand up too well to hard landings. Just off the top of my head, I'd reccommend the "Cobra" from Magnum models, the "Redback" and the "Eraser 48 sport" from California Sailplanes, or one of the "Zagi" wings. All of them are built to absorb a lot of punishment. Do a Google search under "Slope Gl;iders" and you'll be amazed at what you find. Slope is a great time. welcome aboard. papermache |
RE: Suggestions for slope soaring glider please
I must echo papermache's comments. EPP Foam planes are becoming the standard in the US for first slope planes and, for some, the only kind of slope planes they wish to fly.
You have told us nothing of your experience flying radio controlled aircraft. We also know nothing about your flying conditions. Both would be important for us to know to recommend a plane to you. Almost any glider can be flown on the slope. I fly thermal and slope gliders on the slope. I have also flown small electric model airplanes on the slope. While slope planes can be any size, I have seen that is common for them to be in the 1-1.5 meter size range. This is typically smaller than the thermal duration gliders which are more common in the 2 meter and larger size. The reason is that slope planes do not need to climb high to find lift. Very often they are flown close to the pilot, so size is not as important. My favoriate slope plane is 48 inches, about 1.2 meters. Most of the slope planes flown ar our sites are under 2 meters. While there are many rudder/elevator slope planes with dihedral in the wings, most of the slope planes I have seen have aileron/elevator or elevon controls to allow them to turn faster than a rudder/elevator controlled plane. When you are flying in a strong wind, having this more positive turning ability is an advantage, but is not required. However if you are new to flying RC planes, you might be better served with a R/E plane that is more stable. Many people slope soar Spirits and Gentle Ladies in lighter conditions. They are gentle flyers and are very stable. But due to their light wood construction they can be very easy to break under poor landing conditions and are not well suited to high winds. There are slope gliders of similar design made of EPP foam. I fly slope, thermal and discus launched gliders in addition to small electric planes. When it comes to slope soaring, I pick my plane based on the landing area first, then wind conditions and lift. I have three dedicated slope planes and also fly some of my thermal gliders on the slope. I also have a discus launched glider that I plan to try on the slope for very light lift conditions. These are my dedicated slope planes and how I decide which one to fly. I have an EPP Foam Zagi 3C wing that I will slope soar anywhere and anytime because I can land it by flying it into a tree or bush if I have to. I have landed it in concrete parking lots and in places where there is no landing area at all. I am still learning how to hand catch it. Regardless, I have never done serious damage to it regardless of how bad the landing. It flies very well and gets plenty of air time. I have an EPS (Styrofoam) plane that is smaller. This one can take a somewhat rough landing area, but not too rough. It is not as tough as the EPP foam Zagi. I want some grass or smooth beach sand for this one but it doesn't have to be a large grass area because the plane is small and light. I have a 2 meter fiberglass plane. For this one I must have a large landing area with plenty of grass or open ground that does not have a lot of rocks. This plane is fast and will not tolerate bad landings or it will end up on the repair bench or in the trash. So I am very selective as to where I fly this one. I recently flew one of my 3M balsa sailplanes at the slope. I thought I would have enough room to land it but I overestimated my talents. It is now on the repair table. Hopefully this is useful information. Please tell us more about yourself and the slope conditions in your area. I will list some examples of EPP foam planes that might be suitable for you if, you are a new flyer. FLYING WING/TAILLESS SLOPE PLANES Zagi 5C - $55 http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXHWX5&P=7 http://www.zagi.com/index.php?main_p...ac40893326ae4f http://www.myzagi.com/ Wingspan: 48" (1219mm) Wing area: 2.03 sq ft Wing loading: 8.5 oz sq ft (25 g/sq dm) Weight: 17.5oz (496g) Airfoil: Zagi 101.3 (semi-symmetrical) Zagi THL - $42 http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXHWX6&P=7 This is a hand launched thermal glider, but I hear many people slope it. Low wing loading would suggest it is good for light lift conditions. Wing span: 48" (1219mm) Wing area: 2.83 sq ft (.182 sq dm) Airfoil: Zagi 999 Wing loading: 4 oz sq ft (12.20 g sq dm) Weight: 11.5 oz (326 grams) The Weasel Pro - $50 http://www.dream-flight.com/weaselpro.html Review http://www.slopeflyer.com/artman/pub...icle_338.shtml Video http://www.dream-flight.com/moviefil...aselmaiden.wmv Wingspan: 35.4 in (900mm) Wing area: 362 sq.in (23.3dm) Weight range: 11-13 oz (312-370gm) Combat Wings - RTF - three choices http://www.combatwings.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=21 Combat Wings XL - kit - $64 http://www.combatwings.com/catalog/p...roduct_name=XL - Review http://www.slopeflyer.com/artman/pub...icle_257.shtml Video http://www.combatwings.com/catalog/p...products_id=32 http://www.combatwings.com/catalog/p...roducts_id=193 http://www.combatwings.com/catalog/p...roducts_id=108 Bee - EPP combat wing - $50 bottom of web page http://www.windrider.com.hk/products/product.cfm?id=9 Video http://www.windrider.com.hk/image/bee10.mov MULTIPURPOSE - SLOPE/DLG MINI WINGS/TAILLESS PLANES These can be slope soared in very light lift AND can be side arm/discus launched from flat fields for glider fun or to hunt for thermals. Sort of muliti-purpose planes. Good to keep in the car. I have the Boomer. Boomer DLG flying wing - $60 Wingspan: 33.5" Wing Area: 318.25 sq. in. Root Chord (including elevon): 13" Tip Chord (including elevon): 6" Wing Loading: 2.805 oz/sq. ft. Product has been taken over by Mountian Models www.mountainmodels.com This is a product review - be sure to watch the video http://www.rcgroups.com/links/index.php?id=4524 Mini Weasel - $40 http://www.dream-flight.com/miniweasel.html Wingspan: 23.6 in (600mm) Wing area: 174 sq.in (11.24dm) Weight range: 4-5 oz (113-142gm) Alula - $45 http://www.dream-flight.com/alula.html Wingspan: 34 in (860mm) Wing area: 234 sq.in (15.29 sq.dm) Weight range: 4.2-4.6 oz (120-127gm) MORE CONVENTIONAL FUSELAGE/WING/TAIL PLANES Easy EPP - Rudder/elevator - $50 http://www.windrider.com.hk/products/product.cfm?id=9 Video http://www.windrider.com.hk/image/Looping_A.wmv http://www.windrider.com.hk/image/easy_pattern.mov Easy Pro EPP - Aileron/elevator - $50 http://www.windrider.com.hk/products/product.cfm?id=9 Video http://www.windrider.com.hk/image/Easy_Pro_test_9.mpg http://www.windrider.com.hk/image/Easy_Pro_test_7.mpg Eraser - 60" $125 (really like this one) http://www.californiasailplanes.com/...p/Eraser60.htm Wingspan - 60" Length - 35.4" Weight - 28oz. Airfoil - CS ER Eraser sport - 48" $105 http://www.californiasailplanes.com/...epp/Eraser.htm Wingspan - 48" Length - 31" Weight - 21oz. Airfoil - Selig 3016 P-38 Lightning- $79 http://www.mtntoys.com/p38.html Wing Span: 52 in. Length: 30 in. Airfoil: S3021 Wing Area: 422 sq. in. Weight: 32-36 oz Construction: EPP Foam See anything interesting? |
RE: Suggestions for slope soaring glider please
I decided to build a hand launch glider.
i mean the glider that you throws like this: http://www.rcgroups.com/links/index.php?id=4506 so... Suggestions for glider like this... |
RE: Suggestions for slope soaring glider please
ORIGINAL: dodgeman I decided to build a hand launch glider. i mean the glider that you throws like this: http://www.rcgroups.com/links/index.php?id=4506 so... Suggestions for glider like this... If you have never seen a discus launched glider, this link has a page that explains the launch method. http://www.jancomodels.com/discuslaunch.htm I purchased the Boomer EX2 DLG/SLG wing glider. Easy to build kit, easy transport, high fun factor. My second choice was the DL50, also from Mountain Models. Many of the models I list below have videos of them being launched and flown. Most are kits, some are ARF, and one is an RTF. Typically the ones over $200 are ARF composite construction planes. More competition oriented. I was looking for more of a fun/sport plane that I could keep in the car for instant fun! FLYING WING ELEVON STYLE DLGs Some have video links on their pages Seem to have a very high fun factor to them Boomer EX2 - DLG flying wing - This is the one I brought to the meeting. Reported to thermal very well, easy transport in car, good for light slope lift Product has been taken over by Mountain Models www.mountainmodels.com http://www.mountainmodels.com/order_planes.php This is a product review - be sure to watch the video at the end of the review http://www.rcgroups.com/links/index.php?id=4524 Second Video http://www.stocker.rchomepage.com/Boomhivis2_0002.wmv Red Herring - DLG Flying wing - $60 Very light wing loading available as EPP for added slope capability or lighter EPS with protective nose cap at 2 oz wing loading http://www.liftworx.com/pages/redherring.html Video http://www.liftworx.com/videoclips/redherring.html Alula - DLG Flying Wing $45 interesting forward swept wing design EPP foam with removable tail. http://www.dream-flight.com/alula.html Review - Starts on Page 24 http://www.b2streamlines.com/RCSD-2004-10.pdf RUDDER/ELEVATOR STYLE DLGs - Some have video links on their pages - One is a RTF plane Mountain Models DL50 - $70-kit This will probably be my next one http://www.mountainmodels.com/DL50.php Review http://www.rcgroups.com/links/index.php?id=4542 The Gambler+ = $70 - Kit http://www.wrightbrothersrc.com/our_kits/gambler.htm http://www.rcgroups.com/4506 The Seeker - $79 kit - smaller than the ones above This one breaks down for easy transport http://www.liftworx.com/pages/seeker.html NSP Calysto $139 - ARF http://www.nesail.com./detail.php?productID=2955 The Spinner - An EPP DLG - heavier than the others in the group http://www.upslopesailplanes.com/Spinner.html avenger - $275 http://www.jancomodels.com/avenger.html MiSAL - RTF This comes all built including all electronics on your channel of choice. You add the radio and go! They also sell radios to go with it if you like http://www.edgerc.com/MiSAL%20DLG.htm AILERON/ELEVATOR/RUDDER STYLE DLGs NSP Huron - ARF $128 http://www.nesail.com./detail.php?productID=760 NSP Apache - ARF $139 http://www.nesail.com./detail.php?productID=1178 HobbyClub Salsa (aka Salmoe) $179 http://www.hobbyclub.com/salsahlg.htm Review http://www.hobbyclub.com/rcmsalsa_dhlg.htm Hyper DLG - - ARF $250 Two piece wing and removable H-stab for easy transport. R/E/A http://www.nesail.com/detail.php?productID=3059 Art Hobby Bobolink $91 Kit http://www.arthobby.com/gliders/specs/bobolink.html ArtHobby Hyper DL $131 Kit http://www.arthobby.com/gliders/specs/hyperDL.html The Spinner XT - An EPP DLG - R/E/A Primarily if I wanted a slope plane that was also a DLG Wing loading is a bit high. http://www.upslopesailplanes.com/Spinner.html |
RE: Suggestions for slope soaring glider please
thank you very much aeajr
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RE: Suggestions for slope soaring glider please
Ed: I recently purchased a used "Ninja" slope soaring airplane at a local RC auction. Would you know where I might be able to down load its manual to better understand what servos, receiver, etc to mount in it? And most important were to locate the CG? Thank you in advance for your thoughts.
Rocky Mtn Fly Boy Boulder, CO |
RE: Suggestions for slope soaring glider please
I don't know the Ninja or who makes it.
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RE: Suggestions for slope soaring glider please
Thank you, Ed. I'll try a general post!
Rocky Mtn Fly Boy Boulder, CO |
RE: Suggestions for slope soaring glider please
I might suggest The Raptor...It is an ultralight (8 oz. flight weight) that is fun to fly.
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