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Old 03-19-2003, 11:42 AM
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I have a friend that thought he would run coleman gas and instead of amsoil ,he would use klotz oil .Now that he has mixed a gallon it don't seem to be such a good idea as the klotz mixes with the coleman gas about like oil and water .Has anyone else tried this ???? and what was your results???
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Old 03-19-2003, 05:05 PM
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I'm about to try, Yamalube and colmen fuel. I hope I don't have the same problem.
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Why fool with success? Just run Amsoil, you will eventually, why not do it from the start. Klotz was formulated to mix with alcohol. Yamalube is semi-synthetic, leaves this nasty goo behind.
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Thanks for the reply ..I have run Yamalube for 2 yrs as that is what the guy that sold the heli to me said to use.My friend is a constant tinker and you have just convinced both of us to use the Amsoil as I find the yama to do the goo thing and he the klotz to not mix with coleman gaswell.
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Larry, make sure you buy the Amsoil that says 100:1 on the bottle, as they make other two stroke oils. We use two (2) ozs per gallon of 87 octane, for a mixture of 64:1.
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Default RE: coleman gas and Klotz oil

Guys,
Question:
Can Coleman fuel be used in gasoline engines, such as, generators or even
automobiles or model airplane engines?
Here is an answer directly from Coleman:
"Coleman fuel is not a good choice for gasoline engines.
It has low octane, around 55. By contrast, automotive gasoline
octane ratings are in the 87 to 93 range. A car engine, for instance, will
knock like crazy if it only has Coleman fuel in it. Pre-detonation could be
severe enough to cause overheating and piston damage."
Due to a very recent experience with a new engine that was destroyed
by using Coleman fuel, it really should not be used for model airplane engines,
or any other engine for that matter.
The following is a typical formula for lantern (Coleman) fuel: Solvent
naphtha 45-50%, Aliphatic petroleum distillates 45-50%, Xylene 2%, Toluene
Hope this helps!!!
2%."
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Default RE: coleman gas and Klotz oil

Mike, so what's your point?
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Default RE: coleman gas and Klotz oil

Like Mike suggest unless your looking for a hole in your piston Coleman fuels isn't a good gasoline for these engines. If your looking for a good white gas I suggest using Amoco. There are several types of Klotz oils also. Some designed for methanol only, some for gasoline only, and some for both fuels.
http://www.klotzlube.com
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Fact is, we run this fuel in our gassers all the time. No holes in pistons. Same performance as gasoline, same temp, no smell. G23's and similar have low compression( 8:1, and lower), and very conservative timing, not requiring any higher octane fuel. If anyone is interested, visit www.runryder.com, a forum where the top helicopter people hang around. Do a search there for Bill Meador, the top guy in gas helicopters. Also, I would suggest staying clear of the Klotz, and sticking with Amsoil 100:1. I would also refraim from asking someone at Coleman camping products, anything about engines.....pre-detonation????? really.
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Default RE: coleman gas and Klotz oil

I have been running ozark fuel and Klotz original techniplate at 2 oz per gallon. No smoke, no overheating, no predetonation, and i really hope the piston is still in there. Tonight i will mix some ozark and klotz in a crystal container to see what you mean. The description on klotz web site said that it will mix with gasoline and alcohol and that is stays in suspension. Suspension really means it does not mix but i will post on results tomorrow.
Felipe
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Default RE: coleman gas and Klotz oil

OK, im back with the results. First I took some mixed fuel from my one gallon jug and poured it on a crystal container. The mix had a homogenous color, meaning that the oil was in suspension. Second I added extra oil(original techniplate)generously. Now i can see what you mean that they wont mix. What really hapopens is that the oil goes to the bottom of the container and would seam that it wont mix. But as soon as you start to stir the container you can actually see the oil go into suspension and mix homogenously. For a test I left the container outside overnight at 33degrees F and the mix stayed in suspension.

Long story short, Klotz is Ok to mix with naphta based fuels and wont make a hole in your piston.
64:1 is what I use, 2-1/2 oz per gallon.
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Felipe

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