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Old 01-19-2011, 05:09 AM
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F-22's are trash, that's why they are being replaced. No chinese plane would ever win. It's not the plane it's the pilot, in a dog fight yes it's partly the plane, but mostly the pilot's ability. Our pilots are very well trained.

And who cares if it's better than the f-22s, we are getting new aircraft. Stop looking at the f22, look at the f-35 that is going to replace it.

You should go back to your video games or whatever you do, since you do not have a clue (as well as numerous others in this thread). The F-35 does not replace the F-22. The F-22 is a Air Superiority Fighter that was designed to replace/supplement the F-15. The F-35 is a Multi-role aircraft designed to replace aircraft such as the F-16, F-18 (not E/F versions), A-10 and AV-8 Harrier).

The F-22 may be expensive but to say it is trash is just plain idiotic. It is the premier Air Superiority fighter in the world.

Throughout this thread I hear people talking about vectored thrust and dogfights. Well in modern war there are very few dogfights. Most enemy aircraft, downed by the US, don't ever see who shot them out of the sky. You don't need vectored thrust to shoot someone from 30 miles away

As far as the skill of the Chinese fighter pilots, I have no idea of their skill level today, but if anyone here doesn't think they are training everyday and not getting better all the time is an idiot and underestimates the willpower of the Chinese to become a dominate world power. Also, the J-20 maybe inferior to the F-22, but again they will drive very hard to in time, improve the aircraft to make it competitive with anything we have.

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F-22's are trash, that's why they are being replaced. No chinese plane would ever win. It's not the plane it's the pilot, in a dog fight yes it's partly the plane, but mostly the pilot's ability. Our pilots are very well trained.

And who cares if it's better than the f-22s, we are getting new aircraft. Stop looking at the f22, look at the f-35 that is going to replace it.

You should go back to your video games or whatever you do, since you do not have a clue (as well as numerous others in this thread). The F-35 does not replace the F-22. The F-22 is a Air Superiority Fighter that was designed to replace/supplement the F-15. The F-35 is a Multi-role aircraft designed to replace aircraft such as the F-16, F-18 (not E/F versions), A-10 and AV-8 Harrier).

The F-22 may be expensive but to say it is trash is just plain idiotic. It is the premier Air Superiority fighter in the world.

Throughout this thread I hear people talking about vectored thrust and dogfights. Well in modern war there are very few dogfights. Most enemy aircraft, downed by the US, don't ever see who shot them out of the sky. You don't need vectored thrust to shoot someone from 30 miles away

As far as the skill of the Chinese fighter pilots, I have no idea of their skill level today, but if anyone here doesn't think they are training everyday and not getting better all the time is an idiot and underestimates the willpower of the Chinese to become a dominate world power. Also, the J-20 maybe inferior to the F-22, but again they will drive very hard to in time, improve the aircraft to make it competitive with anything we have.

The F-22, and our pilots who fly them, are a terrific combination. A combination which was supposed to guarantee us air superiority for 30 years. Unfortunately the Chinese and Russians have accelerated to meet the challenge while our politicians have played the expense card to limit our total production to 187 aircraft. Those same people have also just about killed the program for an engine upgrade for the F-35. In my estimation, both decisions are big mistakes. Sure, right now we're busy trying to blast foot 'soldiers' out of caves. But 10 years down the line who knows? I guess when you've been around long enough to have lived through WW II, Korea, and 'Nam you look at things a little differently than the video game generation.

God bless the guys and gals who are out there facing whatever threatens our freedom and democracy. I'm for giving them the tools they need to win.
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Another thing too is the fact that once you stop building high tech aircraft, subs or warships for that matter, you lose the ability to make them. I don't think we'll ever produce equipment like we did in WWII ever again.
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Does this come as a RTF or Plug N play?
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And then presto...it's nothing more than cannon fodder.

>>Its been just three weeks since China unveiled its new J-20 stealth fighter, and already the U.S. Air Force has plans well underway to defeat the mysterious plane from Chengdu.

No, the Pentagon wont be buying more F-22 Raptors from Lockheed Martin. Instead, the U.S. militarys main flying branch has turned to an older jet that, with upgrades, could prove to be an even better J-20-killer than the newer, more expensive F-22. Thats right: the Boeing F-15 Eagle, one of the stars of the 1991 Gulf War, is quickly shaping up as Americas main countermeasure to Chinas new fighter for the next 20 years.

To be fair, the F-15 and F-22 (and, later, the F-35) will probably usually work in teams. But the F-15, with its better sensors, could prove to be the backbone for U.S. and allied forces in any Pacific dogfight.

The magic is all in the Eagles nose. Compared to the angular, stealthy F-22, the totally non-stealth F-15 has a more capacious nosecone that can carry a larger radar. The larger the radar, the more likely it is to detect the J-20, despite that planes potentially very small frontal radar cross-section. The F-15 also routinely carries more fuel and missiles than the F-22.


The Pentagon has begun fitting new, electronically scanned Raytheon APG-63(V)3 radars to around 175 F-15Cs dating from the 1980s. In a few years, the 220 90s-vintage F-15Es normally optimized for ground attack, but also capable of air combat will get new APG-82(V)4 radars, also from Raytheon.

To pay for this electronic transformation, the Pentagon has set aside some of the roughly $34 billion it will save by shutting down several redundant Air Force headquarters and command centers and delaying production of the troubled F-35 stealth fighter-bomber.

The F-15 initiative was important enough to warrant mention in Secretary of Defense Robert Gates announcement of Pentagon cost-cutting measures last week. Gates said the modernized F-15s would be viable well into the future. That might come as a surprise to some observers, considering that just three years ago, an F-15C disintegrated in mid-air, nearly killing the pilot. After that accident, some observers declared the F-15 unfit for duty, for reasons of age.

But the Air Force determined that a poorly made part, rather than age, caused the F-15 disintegration and that with repairs and good maintenance, F-15Cs could keep flying until at least 2025, and E-models until 2035. But those are just planning factors, said Col. Gerald Swift, the Air Forces top F-15 maintainer. Right now, there is nothing life-limiting on the F-15. It is a very well-designed platform.

The sprawling U.S. Air Force base in Okinawa, Japan, will be the main home of the modernized F-15s. The first batch of F-15Cs with the new (V)3 radars arrived in December. By 2013, there will be 54 improved F-15Cs at the Pacific outpost, flying alongside a rotating force of 12-18 F-22s.

The Air Force is working on new tactics to blend the F-15s and F-22s into a single team. As currently envisioned, the F-15s would fly with extra fuel tanks and AMRAAM missiles and with radars blaring, while the F-22s, carrying less gas and fewer missiles, would turn off their radar and sneak up on the enemy for ninja-style jabs. Our objective is to fly in front with the F-22s, and have the persistence to stay there while the [F-22s] are conducting their [low-observable] attack, Maj. Todd Giggy, an F-15 pilot, told Aviation Week.

This teaming will get a big boost starting in 2014, when the Air Force finally installs secure data links on the F-22, allowing it to covertly swap targeting info with other planes. Even then, the F-15 will have a better radar and more weapons and endurance, making it the Pentagons preferred J-20-killer and the biggest reason why the United States hasnt yet lost control of the airspace over the Pacific.

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Ok , that being said,,,, we can all go home and watch the three stooges,,,,,,, yeee Haaaaa
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And then presto...it's nothing more than cannon fodder.

>>Its been just three weeks since China unveiled its new J-20 stealth fighter, and already the U.S. Air Force has plans well underway to defeat the mysterious plane from Chengdu.

No, the Pentagon wont be buying more F-22 Raptors from Lockheed Martin. Instead, the U.S. militarys main flying branch has turned to an older jet that, with upgrades, could prove to be an even better J-20-killer than the newer, more expensive F-22. Thats right: the Boeing F-15 Eagle, one of the stars of the 1991 Gulf War, is quickly shaping up as Americas main countermeasure to Chinas new fighter for the next 20 years.

To be fair, the F-15 and F-22 (and, later, the F-35) will probably usually work in teams. But the F-15, with its better sensors, could prove to be the backbone for U.S. and allied forces in any Pacific dogfight.

The magic is all in the Eagles nose. Compared to the angular, stealthy F-22, the totally non-stealth F-15 has a more capacious nosecone that can carry a larger radar. The larger the radar, the more likely it is to detect the J-20, despite that planes potentially very small frontal radar cross-section. The F-15 also routinely carries more fuel and missiles than the F-22.


The Pentagon has begun fitting new, electronically scanned Raytheon APG-63(V)3 radars to around 175 F-15Cs dating from the 1980s. In a few years, the 220 90s-vintage F-15Es normally optimized for ground attack, but also capable of air combat will get new APG-82(V)4 radars, also from Raytheon.

To pay for this electronic transformation, the Pentagon has set aside some of the roughly $34 billion it will save by shutting down several redundant Air Force headquarters and command centers and delaying production of the troubled F-35 stealth fighter-bomber.

The F-15 initiative was important enough to warrant mention in Secretary of Defense Robert Gates announcement of Pentagon cost-cutting measures last week. Gates said the modernized F-15s would be viable well into the future. That might come as a surprise to some observers, considering that just three years ago, an F-15C disintegrated in mid-air, nearly killing the pilot. After that accident, some observers declared the F-15 unfit for duty, for reasons of age.

But the Air Force determined that a poorly made part, rather than age, caused the F-15 disintegration and that with repairs and good maintenance, F-15Cs could keep flying until at least 2025, and E-models until 2035. But those are just planning factors, said Col. Gerald Swift, the Air Forces top F-15 maintainer. Right now, there is nothing life-limiting on the F-15. It is a very well-designed platform.

The sprawling U.S. Air Force base in Okinawa, Japan, will be the main home of the modernized F-15s. The first batch of F-15Cs with the new (V)3 radars arrived in December. By 2013, there will be 54 improved F-15Cs at the Pacific outpost, flying alongside a rotating force of 12-18 F-22s.

The Air Force is working on new tactics to blend the F-15s and F-22s into a single team. As currently envisioned, the F-15s would fly with extra fuel tanks and AMRAAM missiles and with radars blaring, while the F-22s, carrying less gas and fewer missiles, would turn off their radar and sneak up on the enemy for ninja-style jabs. Our objective is to fly in front with the F-22s, and have the persistence to stay there while the [F-22s] are conducting their [low-observable] attack, Maj. Todd Giggy, an F-15 pilot, told Aviation Week.

This teaming will get a big boost starting in 2014, when the Air Force finally installs secure data links on the F-22, allowing it to covertly swap targeting info with other planes. Even then, the F-15 will have a better radar and more weapons and endurance, making it the Pentagons preferred J-20-killer and the biggest reason why the United States hasnt yet lost control of the airspace over the Pacific.

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I do not think the US is falling behind! Do a google search for
The Sixth Generation Fighter
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But the Soviets already have them! We're doomed!

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I do not think the US is falling behind! Do a google search for
The Sixth Generation Fighter
Thunderchief
But the Soviets already have them! We're doomed!

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Do they have the ARF's out yet?
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You have NO clue what you are talking about.


The F-22 isn't being replaced.
The F-22 can do things in the air that NO other plane can do, and isn't planned to do for the next 5 years.

rcairflr said it... the F-35 AUGMENTS exiting aircraft. The F-22 was NEVER designed to move mud, the F-35 was, from the ground up.

I'd love to hear how the F-22 is "trash".
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I do not think the US is falling behind! Do a google search for
The Sixth Generation Fighter
Thunderchief
But the Soviets already have them! We're doomed!

Bob
Do they have the ARF's out yet?
Yes, with operational directed energy weapon only $150.00 extra - installed. Clear crowded flight lines at any jet event!...
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I'll bet some dude in China is whittling the plug as we speak. Wonder if it will be a twin or a bifricated pipe? For a plane that big it will need to 120 size motors at least for a twin or a 200 for a single. Hope the gear works.

Im sure it will be light and strong more.
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I do not think the US is falling behind! Do a google search for
The Sixth Generation Fighter
Thunderchief

Yeah, I'm sure the Air Force will have them any day now. It's not that the United States is falling behind at this moment, it's the fact that China is catching up at an incredibly fast rate and most Americans (as seen in this thread) don't have a clue of how fast China is catching up. They are not just catching up Militarily, but economically as well. The stronger they get politically, economically and Militarily the more influence they will have throughout the world and the weaker we will become.

As China rapidly catch up, our society is being pulled apart by political parties who think each other are the enemies and the American voters who fall for their BS and keep electing them.

As China rapidly catches up, we elect weak ineffective politicians who are toyed with by the stronger, wiser and craftier Chinese officials.

As China rapidly catches up, we have a High School drop out rate of about 26%

As China rapidly catches up, we allow students from other countries to attend our Colleges and then after they graduate we kick them out and in the meantime allow millions of uneducated poor people to illegally cross our southern border and then give them welfare, food stamps and free medical.

As China rapidly catches up, we sit here and complain that they stole our technology, but in reality we gave most of it to them because of our weak government and corporate policies that sent our developement work and production to them.

As China rapidly caches up, we keep expanding our government social programs that turn people into worhless slaves of the federal government. (41 million Americans are now on foodstamps, 4.4 million on welfare and 50 million on medicade)

As China rapidly catches up, we become more of a socialist country (socialism has failed everywhere) and they become more of a capitalist society (Capitalism is what made us a strong world leader)

As China rapidly catches up, we keep putting a strangle hold on our large and small businesses with high taxes and costly regulations that make it next to impossilble to compete on the world stage.

As China rapidly catches up, we keep sending all our money to China and to the OPEC countries, all of who do not think of us as a friend, but as an enemy they would like to destroy.

As China rapidly catches up, we keep going farther and farther in debt

So would any of you please explain to me how we are going to stop China from surpassing us economically and militarily in the next 10-20 years if things don't change NOW in this country.

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ORIGINAL: rcairflr

ORIGINAL: thunderchief

I do not think the US is falling behind! Do a google search for
The Sixth Generation Fighter
Thunderchief

Yeah, I'm sure the Air Force will have them any day now. It's not that the United States is falling behind at this moment, it's the fact that China is catching up at an incredibly fast rate and most Americans (as seen in this thread) don't have a clue of how fast China is catching up. They are not just catching up Militarily, but economically as well. The stronger they get politically, economically and Militarily the more influence they will have throughout the world and the weaker we will become.

As China rapidly catch up, our society is being pulled apart by political parties who think each other are the enemies and the American voters who fall for their BS and keep electing them.

As China rapidly catches up, we elect weak ineffective politicians who are toyed with by the stronger, wiser and craftier Chinese officials.

As China rapidly catches up, we have a High School drop out rate of about 26%

As China rapidly catches up, we allow students from other countries to attend our Colleges and then after they graduate we kick them out and in the meantime allow millions of uneducated poor people to illegally cross our southern border and then give them welfare, food stamps and free medical.

As China rapidly catches up, we sit here and complain that they stole our technology, but in reality we gave most of it to them because of our weak government and corporate policies that sent our developement work and production to them.

As China rapidly caches up, we keep expanding our government social programs that turn people into worhless slaves of the federal government. (41 million Americans are now on foodstamps, 4.4 million on welfare and 50 million on medicade)

As China rapidly catches up, we become more of a socialist country (socialism has failed everywhere) and they become more of a capitalist society (Capitalism is what made us a strong world leader)

As China rapidly catches up, we keep putting a strangle hold on our large and small businesses with high taxes and costly regulations that make it next to impossilble to compete on the world stage.

As China rapidly catches up, we keep sending all our money to China and to the OPEC countries, all of who do not think of us as a friend, but as an enemy they would like to destroy.

As China rapidly catches up, we keep going farther and farther in debt

So would any of you please explain to me how we are going to stop China from surpassing us economically and militarily in the next 10-20 years if things don't change NOW in this country.

EXACTLY! +1 you are obviously well versed because youve been PAYING ATTENTION! Glad Im not the only one who sees it this way. And your post wasnt removed by an IDIOT MODERATOR[:@]
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who's turbines are in the J-20??? JET JOE ???
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ORIGINAL: rcairflr

ORIGINAL: thunderchief

I do not think the US is falling behind! Do a google search for
The Sixth Generation Fighter
Thunderchief

Yeah, I'm sure the Air Force will have them any day now. It's not that the United States is falling behind at this moment, it's the fact that China is catching up at an incredibly fast rate and most Americans (as seen in this thread) don't have a clue of how fast China is catching up. They are not just catching up Militarily, but economically as well. The stronger they get politically, economically and Militarily the more influence they will have throughout the world and the weaker we will become.

As China rapidly catch up, ... blah, blah, blah...
Anybody know what this has to do with jets, ARFs, or directed energy weapons???

Bob
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ORIGINAL: rcairflr

ORIGINAL: thunderchief

I do not think the US is falling behind! Do a google search for
The Sixth Generation Fighter
Thunderchief

Yeah, I'm sure the Air Force will have them any day now. It's not that the United States is falling behind at this moment, it's the fact that China is catching up at an incredibly fast rate and most Americans (as seen in this thread) don't have a clue of how fast China is catching up. They are not just catching up Militarily, but economically as well. The stronger they get politically, economically and Militarily the more influence they will have throughout the world and the weaker we will become.

As China rapidly catch up, our society is being pulled apart by political parties who think each other are the enemies and the American voters who fall for their BS and keep electing them.

As China rapidly catches up, we elect weak ineffective politicians who are toyed with by the stronger, wiser and craftier Chinese officials.

As China rapidly catches up, we have a High School drop out rate of about 26%

As China rapidly catches up, we allow students from other countries to attend our Colleges and then after they graduate we kick them out and in the meantime allow millions of uneducated poor people to illegally cross our southern border and then give them welfare, food stamps and free medical.

As China rapidly catches up, we sit here and complain that they stole our technology, but in reality we gave most of it to them because of our weak government and corporate policies that sent our developement work and production to them.

As China rapidly caches up, we keep expanding our government social programs that turn people into worhless slaves of the federal government. (41 million Americans are now on foodstamps, 4.4 million on welfare and 50 million on medicade)

As China rapidly catches up, we become more of a socialist country (socialism has failed everywhere) and they become more of a capitalist society (Capitalism is what made us a strong world leader)

As China rapidly catches up, we keep putting a strangle hold on our large and small businesses with high taxes and costly regulations that make it next to impossilble to compete on the world stage.

As China rapidly catches up, we keep sending all our money to China and to the OPEC countries, all of who do not think of us as a friend, but as an enemy they would like to destroy.

As China rapidly catches up, we keep going farther and farther in debt

So would any of you please explain to me how we are going to stop China from surpassing us economically and militarily in the next 10-20 years if things don't change NOW in this country.

Excellent post!

I think our best bet would be to start acknowledging that we will no longer be the most powerful country in the world, and setlle for a lower rank and what comes with it. In order to avoid it would take sacrifice right now, which is obvious this country is not willing to do becasue we are split open in half. The result seems unavoidable.

What's in it for us? I think we could potentially become a happy country like Sweden, but it would also take sacrifice.

We are facing the case where an elderly father leaves his son a very succesful business for him to run, and the son doesn't give a $%^@ and ends up bankrupt.

David

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Theres a new sheriff in town
Dude, why do they make those old men carry all of that heavy metal?!? That's cruel!

Hey anybody remember back in the '70's and '80's when it was the Japanese that were going to bury us? What ever happened to them? Oh, there's basically in the same boat now too...

I'm not saying there isn't a problem, the Chinese are growing their economy for sure, but they are also burning up all their natural resources, killing their people with the intense pollution they are generating, and they have the fastest aging society in the world, by far. Pendulums swing one way, but eventually they swing back...

We just need to get our house in order and get back to the innovation and creativity that made us great in the first place (name me 1 really important thing that the Chinese have actually *invented* in the past 5 years, isn't it freaky how much a J-20 looks like an F-22?).

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yes that is true Bob,,, Then you have oneidiot sell our secrets and then there goes our profit
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name me 1 really important thing that the Chinese have actually *invented* in the past 5 years,

Read more: http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_10...#ixzz1Bb07zWaH
This latest invention is pretty neat.


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F-22's are trash, that's why they are being replaced. No chinese plane would ever win. It's not the plane it's the pilot, in a dog fight yes it's partly the plane, but mostly the pilot's ability. Our pilots are very well trained.

And who cares if it's better than the f-22s, we are getting new aircraft. Stop looking at the f22, look at the f-35 that is going to replace it.
One thing you need to learn before you join the Air Force is, do not offer opinions about subjects you are not well versed in. If you truly want to get into the academy you need to learn that to write about a subject you must first learn all there is to know about that subject. The f-22 is just one part of a complex strategy. The A-10 is by all rights an obsolete A/C, yet it is a vital part of our strategy and will remain so until it is phased out. Our strength has always been our ability to exploit our foes weaknesses while using any assets available to us in the most efficient way. That is not to say we haven't on occasion fallen short, but we find a way to rise to the task when needed.
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The A-10 is old and outdated, but thankfully the boss types figured out the A-10 had some very good usefulness left in it and now we have the A-10C which is scheduled to stick around for at least another 15 years.

Look at the F-15 for goodness sake, first flight in 1972, and yet it still has the only undefeated A2A record in history 104 a2a kills with no losses in a2a combat (half were Israeli kills, the rest mix of US, Saudi and others)

And the F-15 is scheduled to stay in service until at least 2025 when some of the airframes will be almost 50 years old.


People claiming the F-22 is junk have no clue what they are talking about and know even less about exactly what the F-22 is capable of. Quite frankly its embarrassing.


I'm still waiting to hear why the F-22 is junk.
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name me 1 really important thing that the Chinese have actually *invented* in the past 5 years,

Read more: http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_10...#ixzz1Bb07zWaH
This latest invention is pretty neat.


Is it just me, or is it really that every picture of China shows a thick smog?

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For the USA (and the West) to prevail, we must change our behavior. We can start by recognizing that our personal opinions are not the only ones that matter or that our personal opinions are more important than FACT. Witness some of the posts in this forum. Somebody has an opinion and pukes it out without any consideration of the facts or of insulting others.

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